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Feb 21, 2019 00:23:54   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
We hear a lot about freedom and liberty, those things that make America what it is, but do we understand what those things really are? The t***h is, freedom isn't easy and liberty comes with a cost. I'm not talking about the standard rhetoric which states that our military members continue to buy our freedom and liberties, although true enough in a sense, I'm talking about the costs to every member of our society.

It's easy to claim the right to express our religion however we see fit, it takes courage to allow everyone else the same right without judgment or opposition. It's easy to claim that our individual liberties are sacrosanct, it takes courage to accept others liberty when the exercising of their liberty differs from our own. It's easy to decry Government intervention in how we live our lives, it takes courage to allow others to decry the same, when the way they live their lives offends us personally.

Is it an expression of religious freedom to denounce someone else's religion? No, it is not, it's a selfish perversion of freedom. Is it an aspect of individual liberty to criticize how someone else lives their life? Yes it is, we may express our opinion with absolute freedom - however - seeking to circumscribe someone else's behavior because it offends us personally, is a perversion of what liberty means.

A spineless, selfish bastard will loudly defend their liberties and freedoms, while denouncing someone else's. It takes courage to allow others the same basic rights we ourselves claim and jealously guard, especially when the exercise of those rights offend us. If we do not approve of what someone else is doing or believes, the solution is - don't do it - while jealously guarding their right to offend us.

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Feb 21, 2019 00:37:33   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
lpnmajor wrote:
We hear a lot about freedom and liberty, those things that make America what it is, but do we understand what those things really are? The t***h is, freedom isn't easy and liberty comes with a cost. I'm not talking about the standard rhetoric which states that our military members continue to buy our freedom and liberties, although true enough in a sense, I'm talking about the costs to every member of our society.

It's easy to claim the right to express our religion however we see fit, it takes courage to allow everyone else the same right without judgment or opposition. It's easy to claim that our individual liberties are sacrosanct, it takes courage to accept others liberty when the exercising of their liberty differs from our own. It's easy to decry Government intervention in how we live our lives, it takes courage to allow others to decry the same, when the way they live their lives offends us personally.

Is it an expression of religious freedom to denounce someone else's religion? No, it is not, it's a selfish perversion of freedom. Is it an aspect of individual liberty to criticize how someone else lives their life? Yes it is, we may express our opinion with absolute freedom - however - seeking to circumscribe someone else's behavior because it offends us personally, is a perversion of what liberty means.

A spineless, selfish bastard will loudly defend their liberties and freedoms, while denouncing someone else's. It takes courage to allow others the same basic rights we ourselves claim and jealously guard, especially when the exercise of those rights offend us. If we do not approve of what someone else is doing or believes, the solution is - don't do it - while jealously guarding their right to offend us.
We hear a lot about freedom and liberty, those thi... (show quote)


Superb post... And I couldn't agree more

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Feb 21, 2019 02:10:24   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Superb post... And I couldn't agree more

What a shame Liberals don't feel that way. They believe you should be free to be or do wh**ever they agree with.

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Feb 21, 2019 02:16:20   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
lpnmajor wrote:
We hear a lot about freedom and liberty, those things that make America what it is, but do we understand what those things really are? The t***h is, freedom isn't easy and liberty comes with a cost. I'm not talking about the standard rhetoric which states that our military members continue to buy our freedom and liberties, although true enough in a sense, I'm talking about the costs to every member of our society.

It's easy to claim the right to express our religion however we see fit, it takes courage to allow everyone else the same right without judgment or opposition. It's easy to claim that our individual liberties are sacrosanct, it takes courage to accept others liberty when the exercising of their liberty differs from our own. It's easy to decry Government intervention in how we live our lives, it takes courage to allow others to decry the same, when the way they live their lives offends us personally.

Is it an expression of religious freedom to denounce someone else's religion? No, it is not, it's a selfish perversion of freedom. Is it an aspect of individual liberty to criticize how someone else lives their life? Yes it is, we may express our opinion with absolute freedom - however - seeking to circumscribe someone else's behavior because it offends us personally, is a perversion of what liberty means.

A spineless, selfish bastard will loudly defend their liberties and freedoms, while denouncing someone else's. It takes courage to allow others the same basic rights we ourselves claim and jealously guard, especially when the exercise of those rights offend us. If we do not approve of what someone else is doing or believes, the solution is - don't do it - while jealously guarding their right to offend us.
We hear a lot about freedom and liberty, those thi... (show quote)



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Feb 21, 2019 02:24:22   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
What a shame Liberals don't feel that way. They believe you should be free to be or do wh**ever they agree with.


I wish I could agree with you... But I don't...

Both sides have tunnel vision...

The divide grows and party/ideological lines are drawn ever more clearly...

Going along to get along is a thing of the past..

I am as guilty as any at times...

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Feb 21, 2019 02:39:49   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I wish I could agree with you... But I don't...

Both sides have tunnel vision...

The divide grows and party/ideological lines are drawn ever more clearly...

Going along to get along is a thing of the past..

I am as guilty as any at times...

I am a Conservative. I don't care what religion you practice, I don't care what consenting adults do in private, or wh**ever else you do as long as you do it without stepping on too many toes. Liberals are tolerant of behavior and beliefs with which they agree, and are just as adamant and enthusiastic about foisting their own beliefs on non-believers as any Fundamentalist of wh**ever religion.

Liberals insist on tolerance of all religions except Christianity, e******y of everyone but white heterosexual males, banning anything with which they disagree, and use of activist judges rather than personal choice and responsibility to achieve their goals.
I believe all organized religions are equally amusing. I don't mind Muslims as long as they have no plans to harm me, or my fellow Americans. My intolerance is reserved for criminals and bigots and in-your-face activists of any stripe.
The difference is, I own my own intolerant views, I don't try to sugarcoat them with some sort of egalitarian diversity bulls**t.

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Feb 21, 2019 02:50:43   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
I am a Conservative. I don't care what religion you practice, I don't care what consenting adults do in private, or wh**ever else you do as long as you do it without stepping on too many toes. Liberals are tolerant of behavior and beliefs with which they agree, and are just as adamant and enthusiastic about foisting their own beliefs on non-believers as any Fundamentalist of wh**ever religion.

Liberals insist on tolerance of all religions except Christianity, e******y of everyone but white heterosexual males, banning anything with which they disagree, and use of activist judges rather than personal choice and responsibility to achieve their goals.
I believe all organized religions are equally amusing. I don't mind Muslims as long as they have no plans to harm me, or my fellow Americans. My intolerance is reserved for criminals and bigots and in-your-face activists of any stripe.
The difference is, I own my own intolerant views, I don't try to sugarcoat them with some sort of egalitarian diversity bulls**t.
I am a Conservative. I don't care what religion yo... (show quote)


We are in complete agreement concerning our personal views...

Bit I cannot agree to generalize Liberals....

They, like us, are more and more represented by individuals who hold the most extremist views of our respective sides...

I would love to compare our 'intolerant' beliefs... It would make a great thread...

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Feb 21, 2019 05:30:56   #
PeterS
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
What a shame Liberals don't feel that way. They believe you should be free to be or do wh**ever they agree with.

Gee and you conservatives are so well known for your tolerance of others...

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Feb 21, 2019 08:13:56   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
PeterS wrote:
Gee and you conservatives are so well known for your tolerance of others...



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Feb 21, 2019 08:29:18   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
lpnmajor wrote:
We hear a lot about freedom and liberty, those things that make America what it is, but do we understand what those things really are? The t***h is, freedom isn't easy and liberty comes with a cost. I'm not talking about the standard rhetoric which states that our military members continue to buy our freedom and liberties, although true enough in a sense, I'm talking about the costs to every member of our society.

It's easy to claim the right to express our religion however we see fit, it takes courage to allow everyone else the same right without judgment or opposition. It's easy to claim that our individual liberties are sacrosanct, it takes courage to accept others liberty when the exercising of their liberty differs from our own. It's easy to decry Government intervention in how we live our lives, it takes courage to allow others to decry the same, when the way they live their lives offends us personally.

Is it an expression of religious freedom to denounce someone else's religion? No, it is not, it's a selfish perversion of freedom. Is it an aspect of individual liberty to criticize how someone else lives their life? Yes it is, we may express our opinion with absolute freedom - however - seeking to circumscribe someone else's behavior because it offends us personally, is a perversion of what liberty means.

A spineless, selfish bastard will loudly defend their liberties and freedoms, while denouncing someone else's. It takes courage to allow others the same basic rights we ourselves claim and jealously guard, especially when the exercise of those rights offend us. If we do not approve of what someone else is doing or believes, the solution is - don't do it - while jealously guarding their right to offend us.
We hear a lot about freedom and liberty, those thi... (show quote)

Doc, yet another excellent post. You remain one of my favorite OPPers. I envy your ability to t***scribe commonly-held thoughts of others (such as myself) not as gifted.

Once again, kudos

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Feb 21, 2019 08:58:35   #
Rose42
 
lpnmajor wrote:
We hear a lot about freedom and liberty, those things that make America what it is, but do we understand what those things really are? The t***h is, freedom isn't easy and liberty comes with a cost. I'm not talking about the standard rhetoric which states that our military members continue to buy our freedom and liberties, although true enough in a sense, I'm talking about the costs to every member of our society.

It's easy to claim the right to express our religion however we see fit, it takes courage to allow everyone else the same right without judgment or opposition. It's easy to claim that our individual liberties are sacrosanct, it takes courage to accept others liberty when the exercising of their liberty differs from our own. It's easy to decry Government intervention in how we live our lives, it takes courage to allow others to decry the same, when the way they live their lives offends us personally.

Is it an expression of religious freedom to denounce someone else's religion? No, it is not, it's a selfish perversion of freedom. Is it an aspect of individual liberty to criticize how someone else lives their life? Yes it is, we may express our opinion with absolute freedom - however - seeking to circumscribe someone else's behavior because it offends us personally, is a perversion of what liberty means.

A spineless, selfish bastard will loudly defend their liberties and freedoms, while denouncing someone else's. It takes courage to allow others the same basic rights we ourselves claim and jealously guard, especially when the exercise of those rights offend us. If we do not approve of what someone else is doing or believes, the solution is - don't do it - while jealously guarding their right to offend us.
We hear a lot about freedom and liberty, those thi... (show quote)


Great post! I would add one caveat. Denouncing another religion is not a perversion of freedom - it depends how it is done and in some cases it should be done when that religion has had a detrimental effect on various countries. In that case not doing so and instead acquiescing to it is cowardly. Denouncing that religion with unneeded colorful language is what's selfish. IMO

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Feb 21, 2019 10:08:21   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
PeterS wrote:
Gee and you conservatives are so well known for your tolerance of others...


I respect well thought out viewpoints presented with courtesy. It's rude, snarky i***ts that alternately amuse and annoy me.

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Feb 21, 2019 10:31:05   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
I respect well thought out viewpoints presented with courtesy. It's rude, snarky i***ts that alternately amuse and annoy me.

Having gotten to know him on a face-to-face personal basis, I feel comfortable speaking to the fairness and integrity of Smedley. Although highly principled and strong in his views, he is fair and tolerant when shown the same courtesy he affords others. Provoking Mr. Buzk**l, however, often proves to be a punishable crime, as he can slice and dice many, if not most arguments with relative ease. I will say that my time with him has only encouraged more visits enjoying his company.

Besides, it is wise to remain on his good side, as he can be ferociously protective of his 'space.'

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Feb 21, 2019 10:45:21   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
slatten49 wrote:
Having gotten to know him on a face-to-face personal basis, I feel comfortable speaking to the fairness and integrity of Smedley. Although highly principled and strong in his views, he is fair and tolerant when shown the same courtesy he affords others. Provoking Mr. Buzk**l, however, often proves to be a punishable crime, as he can slice and dice many, if not most arguments with relative ease. I will say that my time with him has only encouraged more visits enjoying his company.

Besides, it is wise to remain on his good side, as he can be ferociously protective of his 'space.'
Having gotten to know him on a face-to-face person... (show quote)


Muchas gracias.

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Feb 22, 2019 13:04:32   #
TrueAmerican
 
lpnmajor wrote:
We hear a lot about freedom and liberty, those things that make America what it is, but do we understand what those things really are? The t***h is, freedom isn't easy and liberty comes with a cost. I'm not talking about the standard rhetoric which states that our military members continue to buy our freedom and liberties, although true enough in a sense, I'm talking about the costs to every member of our society.

It's easy to claim the right to express our religion however we see fit, it takes courage to allow everyone else the same right without judgment or opposition. It's easy to claim that our individual liberties are sacrosanct, it takes courage to accept others liberty when the exercising of their liberty differs from our own. It's easy to decry Government intervention in how we live our lives, it takes courage to allow others to decry the same, when the way they live their lives offends us personally.

Is it an expression of religious freedom to denounce someone else's religion? No, it is not, it's a selfish perversion of freedom. Is it an aspect of individual liberty to criticize how someone else lives their life? Yes it is, we may express our opinion with absolute freedom - however - seeking to circumscribe someone else's behavior because it offends us personally, is a perversion of what liberty means.

A spineless, selfish bastard will loudly defend their liberties and freedoms, while denouncing someone else's. It takes courage to allow others the same basic rights we ourselves claim and jealously guard, especially when the exercise of those rights offend us. If we do not approve of what someone else is doing or believes, the solution is - don't do it - while jealously guarding their right to offend us.
We hear a lot about freedom and liberty, those thi... (show quote)


If only the l*****t liberals lived by what you say --- BUT they DO NOT !!!!!!

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