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Feb 18, 2019 16:16:52   #
Airforceone
 
The emergency action Trump did is wrong and not to mention illegal.

His ignorant supporters have been parroting his foolishness that Clinton, Bush, and Obama invoked emergency action. (BUT THESE PRESIDENTS DID NOT USE EMERGENCY POWERS TO PAY FOR A PROJECT THAT CONGRESS DID NOT SUPPORT.)

It’s amazing and someone needs to explain these Trump supporters that attempt to justify this emergency when the the toddler in Chief actually tells them I don’t need to do this. The National Security Director’s disagree and told Congress there is no emergency on the southern border. CBP said no more barriers needed they wanted technology upgrades they wanted upraged X-ray equipment at the ports of entry. These are all Trump appointees.

Now let’s fill in what Trump left out when he said other presidents did it. Emergency declarations by Obama, Clinton and Bush were overwhelmingly for addressing crisis that emerged aboard. Obama and Bush Emergency Powers blocked foreign interest linked to terrorist and denied them access to funds.

But still the ignorant Trump supporters love to attack Obama I think it’s because he is black not sure but I think so. But Obama’s Emergency Powers were aimed at blocking property of certain persons invovled with terrorism crisis abroad and cutting off funds.Obamas only declaration not centered on foreign interest came in 2009 when he declared a national emergency to deal with the H1N1 flue p******c.

It was typical with Bush and Clinton who focused on prohibiting t***sactions with the US and Taliban, Bush issued several in response to 2001 terrorist activities. They cut off funds. Not circumvent congress.

Let’s take a couple and there all the same with presidents use emergency powers.

Carter for example Froze Iran assets in response to Iran hostage crisis. Reagan prohibited trade and financial t***s actions involving Nicaragua. He did the same with Libya, South Africa Panama.

These actions are all typical if Trumps ignorant base ever bothered to read legislation, emergency actions by past presidents, or Executive orders they just might be saved from that alternate universe of stupidity that they live in.

But what Trump did not tell his ignorant to facts base is no emergency was ever invocked to circumvent Congress it’s totally against the law.

(WHAT IS IT WITH THESE TRUMP SUPPORTERS WHEN THE PRESIDENT INVOKES AN EMERGENCY ACTION WHERE HE CIRCUMVENTS CONGRESS AND THEN TELLS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT HE DID NOT HAVE TO DO THIS I HAVE ALREADY DONE ENOUGH FOR THE 2020 E******N)

But now these ignorant people who choose to listen to the toddler in Chief on such an extreme issue want to avoid debate seem to think because Nancy Pelosi said happy thanksgiving instead of happy Valentine’s Day. This shows where the h**e filled r****t Trump supporters priorities are.

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Feb 18, 2019 16:19:18   #
Lonewolf
 
Airforceone wrote:
The emergency action Trump did is wrong and not to mention illegal.

His ignorant supporters have been parroting his foolishness that Clinton, Bush, and Obama invoked emergency action. (BUT THESE PRESIDENTS DID NOT USE EMERGENCY POWERS TO PAY FOR A PROJECT THAT CONGRESS DID NOT SUPPORT.)

It’s amazing and someone needs to explain these Trump supporters that attempt to justify this emergency when the the toddler in Chief actually tells them I don’t need to do this. The National Security Director’s disagree and told Congress there is no emergency on the southern border. CBP said no more barriers needed they wanted technology upgrades they wanted upraged X-ray equipment at the ports of entry. These are all Trump appointees.

Now let’s fill in what Trump left out when he said other presidents did it. Emergency declarations by Obama, Clinton and Bush were overwhelmingly for addressing crisis that emerged aboard. Obama and Bush Emergency Powers blocked foreign interest linked to terrorist and denied them access to funds.

But still the ignorant Trump supporters love to attack Obama I think it’s because he is black not sure but I think so. But Obama’s Emergency Powers were aimed at blocking property of certain persons invovled with terrorism crisis abroad and cutting off funds.Obamas only declaration not centered on foreign interest came in 2009 when he declared a national emergency to deal with the H1N1 flue p******c.

It was typical with Bush and Clinton who focused on prohibiting t***sactions with the US and Taliban, Bush issued several in response to 2001 terrorist activities. They cut off funds. Not circumvent congress.

Let’s take a couple and there all the same with presidents use emergency powers.

Carter for example Froze Iran assets in response to Iran hostage crisis. Reagan prohibited trade and financial t***s actions involving Nicaragua. He did the same with Libya, South Africa Panama.

These actions are all typical if Trumps ignorant base ever bothered to read legislation, emergency actions by past presidents, or Executive orders they just might be saved from that alternate universe of stupidity that they live in.

But what Trump did not tell his ignorant to facts base is no emergency was ever invocked to circumvent Congress it’s totally against the law.

(WHAT IS IT WITH THESE TRUMP SUPPORTERS WHEN THE PRESIDENT INVOKES AN EMERGENCY ACTION WHERE HE CIRCUMVENTS CONGRESS AND THEN TELLS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT HE DID NOT HAVE TO DO THIS I HAVE ALREADY DONE ENOUGH FOR THE 2020 E******N)

But now these ignorant people who choose to listen to the toddler in Chief on such an extreme issue want to avoid debate seem to think because Nancy Pelosi said happy thanksgiving instead of happy Valentine’s Day. This shows where the h**e filled r****t Trump supporters priorities are.
The emergency action Trump did is wrong and not to... (show quote)



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Feb 18, 2019 16:33:49   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Airforceone wrote:
The emergency action Trump did is wrong and not to mention illegal.

His ignorant supporters have been parroting his foolishness that Clinton, Bush, and Obama invoked emergency action. (BUT THESE PRESIDENTS DID NOT USE EMERGENCY POWERS TO PAY FOR A PROJECT THAT CONGRESS DID NOT SUPPORT.)

It’s amazing and someone needs to explain these Trump supporters that attempt to justify this emergency when the the toddler in Chief actually tells them I don’t need to do this. The National Security Director’s disagree and told Congress there is no emergency on the southern border. CBP said no more barriers needed they wanted technology upgrades they wanted upraged X-ray equipment at the ports of entry. These are all Trump appointees.



Now let’s fill in what Trump left out when he said other presidents did it. Emergency declarations by Obama, Clinton and Bush were overwhelmingly for addressing crisis that emerged aboard. Obama and Bush Emergency Powers blocked foreign interest linked to terrorist and denied them access to funds.

But still the ignorant Trump supporters love to attack Obama I think it’s because he is black not sure but I think so. But Obama’s Emergency Powers were aimed at blocking property of certain persons invovled with terrorism crisis abroad and cutting off funds.Obamas only declaration not centered on foreign interest came in 2009 when he declared a national emergency to deal with the H1N1 flue p******c.

It was typical with Bush and Clinton who focused on prohibiting t***sactions with the US and Taliban, Bush issued several in response to 2001 terrorist activities. They cut off funds. Not circumvent congress.

Let’s take a couple and there all the same with presidents use emergency powers.

Carter for example Froze Iran assets in response to Iran hostage crisis. Reagan prohibited trade and financial t***s actions involving Nicaragua. He did the same with Libya, South Africa Panama.

These actions are all typical if Trumps ignorant base ever bothered to read legislation, emergency actions by past presidents, or Executive orders they just might be saved from that alternate universe of stupidity that they live in.

But what Trump did not tell his ignorant to facts base is no emergency was ever invocked to circumvent Congress it’s totally against the law.

(WHAT IS IT WITH THESE TRUMP SUPPORTERS WHEN THE PRESIDENT INVOKES AN EMERGENCY ACTION WHERE HE CIRCUMVENTS CONGRESS AND THEN TELLS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT HE DID NOT HAVE TO DO THIS I HAVE ALREADY DONE ENOUGH FOR THE 2020 E******N)

But now these ignorant people who choose to listen to the toddler in Chief on such an extreme issue want to avoid debate seem to think because Nancy Pelosi said happy thanksgiving instead of happy Valentine’s Day. This shows where the h**e filled r****t Trump supporters priorities are.
The emergency action Trump did is wrong and not to... (show quote)



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Feb 18, 2019 17:23:41   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
You would be right... if this money had not already been allocated. You seem to ignore 10 U.S. Code § 2808 - Construction authority in the event of a declaration of war or national emergency, which states clearly: "(a) In the event of a declaration of war or the declaration by the President of a national emergency in accordance with the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) that requires use of the armed forces, the Secretary of Defense, without regard to any other provision of law, may undertake military construction projects, and may authorize the Secretaries of the military departments to undertake military construction projects, not otherwise authorized by law that are necessary to support such use of the armed forces. Such projects may be undertaken only within the total amount of funds that have been appropriated for military construction, including funds appropriated for family housing, that have not been obligated.

(b) When a decision is made to undertake military construction projects authorized by this section, the Secretary of Defense shall notify, in an electronic medium pursuant to section 480 of this title, the appropriate committees of Congress of the decision and of the estimated cost of the construction projects, including the cost of any real estate action pertaining to those construction projects.

(c) The authority described in subsection (a) shall terminate with respect to any war or national emergency at the end of the war or national emergency."

You would need to have changed the law before a State of Emergency was declared. So, perhaps using the funds (of which 21 BILLION has been identified) may be "wrong" because it does take funds from certain mission essential programs, (and mind you that he only taking a small percentage, leaving the majority of the funds available) it is not "illegal."


Airforceone wrote:
The emergency action Trump did is wrong and not to mention illegal.

His ignorant supporters have been parroting his foolishness that Clinton, Bush, and Obama invoked emergency action. (BUT THESE PRESIDENTS DID NOT USE EMERGENCY POWERS TO PAY FOR A PROJECT THAT CONGRESS DID NOT SUPPORT.)

It’s amazing and someone needs to explain these Trump supporters that attempt to justify this emergency when the the toddler in Chief actually tells them I don’t need to do this. The National Security Director’s disagree and told Congress there is no emergency on the southern border. CBP said no more barriers needed they wanted technology upgrades they wanted upraged X-ray equipment at the ports of entry. These are all Trump appointees.

Now let’s fill in what Trump left out when he said other presidents did it. Emergency declarations by Obama, Clinton and Bush were overwhelmingly for addressing crisis that emerged aboard. Obama and Bush Emergency Powers blocked foreign interest linked to terrorist and denied them access to funds.

But still the ignorant Trump supporters love to attack Obama I think it’s because he is black not sure but I think so. But Obama’s Emergency Powers were aimed at blocking property of certain persons invovled with terrorism crisis abroad and cutting off funds.Obamas only declaration not centered on foreign interest came in 2009 when he declared a national emergency to deal with the H1N1 flue p******c.

It was typical with Bush and Clinton who focused on prohibiting t***sactions with the US and Taliban, Bush issued several in response to 2001 terrorist activities. They cut off funds. Not circumvent congress.

Let’s take a couple and there all the same with presidents use emergency powers.

Carter for example Froze Iran assets in response to Iran hostage crisis. Reagan prohibited trade and financial t***s actions involving Nicaragua. He did the same with Libya, South Africa Panama.

These actions are all typical if Trumps ignorant base ever bothered to read legislation, emergency actions by past presidents, or Executive orders they just might be saved from that alternate universe of stupidity that they live in.

But what Trump did not tell his ignorant to facts base is no emergency was ever invocked to circumvent Congress it’s totally against the law.

(WHAT IS IT WITH THESE TRUMP SUPPORTERS WHEN THE PRESIDENT INVOKES AN EMERGENCY ACTION WHERE HE CIRCUMVENTS CONGRESS AND THEN TELLS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT HE DID NOT HAVE TO DO THIS I HAVE ALREADY DONE ENOUGH FOR THE 2020 E******N)

But now these ignorant people who choose to listen to the toddler in Chief on such an extreme issue want to avoid debate seem to think because Nancy Pelosi said happy thanksgiving instead of happy Valentine’s Day. This shows where the h**e filled r****t Trump supporters priorities are.
The emergency action Trump did is wrong and not to... (show quote)

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Feb 18, 2019 17:34:42   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Airforceone wrote:
The emergency action Trump did is wrong and not to mention illegal.

His ignorant supporters have been parroting his foolishness that Clinton, Bush, and Obama invoked emergency action. (BUT THESE PRESIDENTS DID NOT USE EMERGENCY POWERS TO PAY FOR A PROJECT THAT CONGRESS DID NOT SUPPORT.)

It’s amazing and someone needs to explain these Trump supporters that attempt to justify this emergency when the the toddler in Chief actually tells them I don’t need to do this. The National Security Director’s disagree and told Congress there is no emergency on the southern border. CBP said no more barriers needed they wanted technology upgrades they wanted upraged X-ray equipment at the ports of entry. These are all Trump appointees.

Now let’s fill in what Trump left out when he said other presidents did it. Emergency declarations by Obama, Clinton and Bush were overwhelmingly for addressing crisis that emerged aboard. Obama and Bush Emergency Powers blocked foreign interest linked to terrorist and denied them access to funds.

But still the ignorant Trump supporters love to attack Obama I think it’s because he is black not sure but I think so. But Obama’s Emergency Powers were aimed at blocking property of certain persons invovled with terrorism crisis abroad and cutting off funds.Obamas only declaration not centered on foreign interest came in 2009 when he declared a national emergency to deal with the H1N1 flue p******c.

It was typical with Bush and Clinton who focused on prohibiting t***sactions with the US and Taliban, Bush issued several in response to 2001 terrorist activities. They cut off funds. Not circumvent congress.

Let’s take a couple and there all the same with presidents use emergency powers.

Carter for example Froze Iran assets in response to Iran hostage crisis. Reagan prohibited trade and financial t***s actions involving Nicaragua. He did the same with Libya, South Africa Panama.

These actions are all typical if Trumps ignorant base ever bothered to read legislation, emergency actions by past presidents, or Executive orders they just might be saved from that alternate universe of stupidity that they live in.

But what Trump did not tell his ignorant to facts base is no emergency was ever invocked to circumvent Congress it’s totally against the law.

(WHAT IS IT WITH THESE TRUMP SUPPORTERS WHEN THE PRESIDENT INVOKES AN EMERGENCY ACTION WHERE HE CIRCUMVENTS CONGRESS AND THEN TELLS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT HE DID NOT HAVE TO DO THIS I HAVE ALREADY DONE ENOUGH FOR THE 2020 E******N)

But now these ignorant people who choose to listen to the toddler in Chief on such an extreme issue want to avoid debate seem to think because Nancy Pelosi said happy thanksgiving instead of happy Valentine’s Day. This shows where the h**e filled r****t Trump supporters priorities are.
The emergency action Trump did is wrong and not to... (show quote)


Funny thing, SFB, balanced people (that would be conservatives) do not believe you are qualified to determine whether Trump's emergency action was legal or not. We know to wait for the court decision. The action on the border, the wall, needs to be built, no question about it. When we no longer have faith in our courts, and that could happen, then we will become more like you and then it's going to be interesting how "we" will restore the rule of law. You never would.

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Feb 18, 2019 18:16:58   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Pennylynn wrote:
You would be right... if this money had not already been allocated. You seem to ignore 10 U.S. Code § 2808 - Construction authority in the event of a declaration of war or national emergency, which states clearly: "(a) In the event of a declaration of war or the declaration by the President of a national emergency in accordance with the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) that requires use of the armed forces, the Secretary of Defense, without regard to any other provision of law, may undertake military construction projects, and may authorize the Secretaries of the military departments to undertake military construction projects, not otherwise authorized by law that are necessary to support such use of the armed forces. Such projects may be undertaken only within the total amount of funds that have been appropriated for military construction, including funds appropriated for family housing, that have not been obligated.

(b) When a decision is made to undertake military construction projects authorized by this section, the Secretary of Defense shall notify, in an electronic medium pursuant to section 480 of this title, the appropriate committees of Congress of the decision and of the estimated cost of the construction projects, including the cost of any real estate action pertaining to those construction projects.

(c) The authority described in subsection (a) shall terminate with respect to any war or national emergency at the end of the war or national emergency."

You would need to have changed the law before a State of Emergency was declared. So, perhaps using the funds (of which 21 BILLION has been identified) may be "wrong" because it does take funds from certain mission essential programs, (and mind you that he only taking a small percentage, leaving the majority of the funds available) it is not "illegal."
You would be right... if this money had not alread... (show quote)


I reckon he neglected to read that little tidbit of legislation, eh?

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Feb 18, 2019 18:37:07   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
Airforceone wrote:
The emergency action Trump did is wrong and not to mention illegal.

His ignorant supporters have been parroting his foolishness that Clinton, Bush, and Obama invoked emergency action. (BUT THESE PRESIDENTS DID NOT USE EMERGENCY POWERS TO PAY FOR A PROJECT THAT CONGRESS DID NOT SUPPORT.)

It’s amazing and someone needs to explain these Trump supporters that attempt to justify this emergency when the the toddler in Chief actually tells them I don’t need to do this. The National Security Director’s disagree and told Congress there is no emergency on the southern border. CBP said no more barriers needed they wanted technology upgrades they wanted upraged X-ray equipment at the ports of entry. These are all Trump appointees.

Now let’s fill in what Trump left out when he said other presidents did it. Emergency declarations by Obama, Clinton and Bush were overwhelmingly for addressing crisis that emerged aboard. Obama and Bush Emergency Powers blocked foreign interest linked to terrorist and denied them access to funds.

But still the ignorant Trump supporters love to attack Obama I think it’s because he is black not sure but I think so. But Obama’s Emergency Powers were aimed at blocking property of certain persons invovled with terrorism crisis abroad and cutting off funds.Obamas only declaration not centered on foreign interest came in 2009 when he declared a national emergency to deal with the H1N1 flue p******c.

It was typical with Bush and Clinton who focused on prohibiting t***sactions with the US and Taliban, Bush issued several in response to 2001 terrorist activities. They cut off funds. Not circumvent congress.

Let’s take a couple and there all the same with presidents use emergency powers.

Carter for example Froze Iran assets in response to Iran hostage crisis. Reagan prohibited trade and financial t***s actions involving Nicaragua. He did the same with Libya, South Africa Panama.

These actions are all typical if Trumps ignorant base ever bothered to read legislation, emergency actions by past presidents, or Executive orders they just might be saved from that alternate universe of stupidity that they live in.

But what Trump did not tell his ignorant to facts base is no emergency was ever invocked to circumvent Congress it’s totally against the law.

(WHAT IS IT WITH THESE TRUMP SUPPORTERS WHEN THE PRESIDENT INVOKES AN EMERGENCY ACTION WHERE HE CIRCUMVENTS CONGRESS AND THEN TELLS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT HE DID NOT HAVE TO DO THIS I HAVE ALREADY DONE ENOUGH FOR THE 2020 E******N)

But now these ignorant people who choose to listen to the toddler in Chief on such an extreme issue want to avoid debate seem to think because Nancy Pelosi said happy thanksgiving instead of happy Valentine’s Day. This shows where the h**e filled r****t Trump supporters priorities are.
The emergency action Trump did is wrong and not to... (show quote)


It seems that you are the one that is too ignorant of the true facts of what is going on at the Southern border. I guess you have not heard that the men on the border say that the border fence would be a great help in stopping at least 90% of the people trying to cross the border. Now, all they have to do is walk over the border in many places even it there are drones and towers to locate where these people are crossing ,they would be in the country before any border patrol could get to that area. The only thing that prevent these people from entering this country is a high border wall that would prevent i******s from entering our country. It seems to me you are too bigoted to see the t***h.

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Feb 18, 2019 18:47:24   #
Airforceone
 
Pennylynn wrote:
You would be right... if this money had not already been allocated. You seem to ignore 10 U.S. Code § 2808 - Construction authority in the event of a declaration of war or national emergency, which states clearly: "(a) In the event of a declaration of war or the declaration by the President of a national emergency in accordance with the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) that requires use of the armed forces, the Secretary of Defense, without regard to any other provision of law, may undertake military construction projects, and may authorize the Secretaries of the military departments to undertake military construction projects, not otherwise authorized by law that are necessary to support such use of the armed forces. Such projects may be undertaken only within the total amount of funds that have been appropriated for military construction, including funds appropriated for family housing, that have not been obligated.

(b) When a decision is made to undertake military construction projects authorized by this section, the Secretary of Defense shall notify, in an electronic medium pursuant to section 480 of this title, the appropriate committees of Congress of the decision and of the estimated cost of the construction projects, including the cost of any real estate action pertaining to those construction projects.

(c) The authority described in subsection (a) shall terminate with respect to any war or national emergency at the end of the war or national emergency."

You would need to have changed the law before a State of Emergency was declared. So, perhaps using the funds (of which 21 BILLION has been identified) may be "wrong" because it does take funds from certain mission essential programs, (and mind you that he only taking a small percentage, leaving the majority of the funds available) it is not "illegal."
You would be right... if this money had not alread... (show quote)


Nope again a president can invoke a declaration of war but then Congress has to approve it within a certain period of time.

He can’t take funds for a construction project that our National Security Director’s have already stated there is no emergency. And then circumvent Congress who already v**ed on it.

You forget one thing Congress has the power of the purse. If Trumps wants to reallocate funds already approved he has to go back to Congress for approval.

The president has board authority when it comes to war, but he can’t create his own crisis and reallocate funds to keep a campaign promise. Trump knows it but he has to give the appearance he is fighting for his base.

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Feb 18, 2019 19:17:20   #
Airforceone
 
padremike wrote:
Funny thing, SFB, balanced people (that would be conservatives) do not believe you are qualified to determine whether Trump's emergency action was legal or not. We know to wait for the court decision. The action on the border, the wall, needs to be built, no question about it. When we no longer have faith in our courts, and that could happen, then we will become more like you and then it's going to be interesting how "we" will restore the rule of law. You never would.


How can you say further barriers are needed when the CBP have shown congress that the remainder of the border is protected by Nstural barriers. This gets ignored by Trump supporters. The remainder of the border that falls along sand dones and mountainous regions can be patrolled by upgrading our drone surveillance with High Tech vehicals, helicopters, and water vehicles.

The Secure Fence Act under Bush addressees all the areas where fences and Barriers are needed but that was 16 years ago and the fencing has not totally been completed because there are still emenant domain issues are still to this day are being litigated. But the CBP have recommended a number of High Tech equipment that they need. The CBP said additional fencing would serve no purpose they need upgraded Drones High Tech quick response vehicals, Air craft and water vehicals.

If the right wing continues to refuse to read the legislation they cannot understand what’s needed and what agencies have recommended.Recommended reading the Obama Comprehensive immigration reform bill, The Fence Act signed into law by Bush and the legislation passed back in September.

Besides Trump ignored his wall for two years there was no mention of a wall until Democrats got control and the republicans got clobbered in the mid terms.

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Feb 18, 2019 19:21:18   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Airforceone wrote:
Nope again a president can invoke a declaration of war but then Congress has to approve it within a certain period of time.

He can’t take funds for a construction project that our National Security Director’s have already stated there is no emergency. And then circumvent Congress who already v**ed on it.

You forget one thing Congress has the power of the purse. If Trumps wants to reallocate funds already approved he has to go back to Congress for approval.

The president has board authority when it comes to war, but he can’t create his own crisis and reallocate funds to keep a campaign promise. Trump knows it but he has to give the appearance he is fighting for his base.
Nope again a president can invoke a declaration of... (show quote)


You should take the advice of Ford Prefect.

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Feb 18, 2019 19:26:21   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
The "gang" has already proposed legislation to block the state of emergency, but President Trump can veto their bill. Another consideration, Democrats (Progressives) need to be very careful... if they block President Trump they are setting a presence for future actions... and could come back to bit them on their behind. Second, even if they block him.... they are giving him a second term and he will walk away being a winner. They will assume the blow-back from every murder, rape, robbery i******s will commit for years to come. They will be titled "obstructionist" who allowed i******s to invade our nation. How many of the Progressives want to end their careers? And does any of them want to revoke national emergencies? Think about the next v***s outbreak, flood, hurricane.... Last, consider that they have only 15 days to enact their legislation..... and they are on vacation for the next 9 days.....so, they are almost out of time. They can sue... as predicted by the President, but he has the law behind him and the Supreme Court will rule in his favor. So, what you are seeing is Progressives scrambling for a way to hold onto their prime v**er base (and that base does not include US Citizens)... nothing more. Smoke and mirrors.... and in the end, President Trump will come away as the President who took action to protect and defend.... and Progressives will loose their v**er base and be seen as obstructionists.

And yes, he can according to law take the funds as he sees necessary for the protection of our nation. As long as the funds have been allocated and passed.

The National Security Director can provide an opinion, but the decision does not rest in his office.
Airforceone wrote:
Nope again a president can invoke a declaration of war but then Congress has to approve it within a certain period of time.

He can’t take funds for a construction project that our National Security Director’s have already stated there is no emergency. And then circumvent Congress who already v**ed on it.

You forget one thing Congress has the power of the purse. If Trumps wants to reallocate funds already approved he has to go back to Congress for approval.

The president has board authority when it comes to war, but he can’t create his own crisis and reallocate funds to keep a campaign promise. Trump knows it but he has to give the appearance he is fighting for his base.
Nope again a president can invoke a declaration of... (show quote)

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Feb 18, 2019 19:40:00   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Airforceone wrote:
How can you say further barriers are needed when the CBP have shown congress that the remainder of the border is protected by Nstural barriers. This gets ignored by Trump supporters. The remainder of the border that falls along sand dones and mountainous regions can be patrolled by upgrading our drone surveillance with High Tech vehicals, helicopters, and water vehicles.

The Secure Fence Act under Bush addressees all the areas where fences and Barriers are needed but that was 16 years ago and the fencing has not totally been completed because there are still emenant domain issues are still to this day are being litigated. But the CBP have recommended a number of High Tech equipment that they need. The CBP said additional fencing would serve no purpose they need upgraded Drones High Tech quick response vehicals, Air craft and water vehicals.

If the right wing continues to refuse to read the legislation they cannot understand what’s needed and what agencies have recommended.Recommended reading the Obama Comprehensive immigration reform bill, The Fence Act signed into law by Bush and the legislation passed back in September.

Besides Trump ignored his wall for two years there was no mention of a wall until Democrats got control and the republicans got clobbered in the mid terms.
How can you say further barriers are needed when t... (show quote)


"How can I say further barriers are needed" you ask? I can say it because I am better informed than you. Your next question should be, "why are you better informed than me?" Care to make a WAG?

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Feb 18, 2019 19:44:15   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
padremike wrote:
Funny thing, SFB, balanced people (that would be conservatives) do not believe you are qualified to determine whether Trump's emergency action was legal or not. We know to wait for the court decision. The action on the border, the wall, needs to be built, no question about it. When we no longer have faith in our courts, and that could happen, then we will become more like you and then it's going to be interesting how "we" will restore the rule of law. You never would.


As must happen.

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Feb 18, 2019 19:46:23   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Airforceone wrote:
How can you say further barriers are needed when the CBP have shown congress that the remainder of the border is protected by Nstural barriers. This gets ignored by Trump supporters. The remainder of the border that falls along sand dones and mountainous regions can be patrolled by upgrading our drone surveillance with High Tech vehicals, helicopters, and water vehicles.

The Secure Fence Act under Bush addressees all the areas where fences and Barriers are needed but that was 16 years ago and the fencing has not totally been completed because there are still emenant domain issues are still to this day are being litigated. But the CBP have recommended a number of High Tech equipment that they need. The CBP said additional fencing would serve no purpose they need upgraded Drones High Tech quick response vehicals, Air craft and water vehicals.

If the right wing continues to refuse to read the legislation they cannot understand what’s needed and what agencies have recommended.Recommended reading the Obama Comprehensive immigration reform bill, The Fence Act signed into law by Bush and the legislation passed back in September.

Besides Trump ignored his wall for two years there was no mention of a wall until Democrats got control and the republicans got clobbered in the mid terms.
How can you say further barriers are needed when t... (show quote)


Easy. Watch. I told you MONTHS ago Obama's own emergency declaration would be used!

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Feb 18, 2019 20:05:11   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
BigMike wrote:
Easy. Watch. I told you MONTHS ago Obama's own emergency declaration would be used!
Easy. Watch. I told you MONTHS ago Obama's own eme... (show quote)


It will never be shown on his news sources. He'll never know.

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