stymie

I know you will never see this so I posted for your information. Quit blaming everything but the problem and Bill hit it (the Problem) on the head. We have thrown money at it for fifty years and what do we have to show for it. Are you really concerned or is it just a word you like to throw around.

http://www.cnsnews.com/video/national/oreilly-americas-race-problem

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

You know the answer to that. Study after study shows conservatives and Christians give much more to the needy than so called liberals. They talk a great game but really can't play it. Kind of like someone drawing a line in the sand you better not cross and then when they do, do nothing. Change the subject so everyone doesn.t realize what a coward they are.

stymie

J, you know and I know that; they are all hot air and you will not see Brian, Bo, r****d, In your Face, and all the other blowhards here because they can't defend what was said by Bill and know it to be the t***h.

funguy1949

I'm from the south an wasn't r****t why mainly my mother had the help from her own babysitter that helped her own mother at raising my mom/she was a black lady, we as kids looked up to her an called her mom & not down at, if we had our ass would have been cut off an handed to us.In fact all the kids in our nieborhood looked up to her.The one thing that stands out in my mind was in her own words "never,never,never ever,ever trust a N male he decits/lies/steals/a true r****t, so looking at the vedio & what Bill said brings me back to her words of wisdom & t***h. I have many black friends & if they say anything that begins with N I'm down in there case.They know from where I come from,and where I'm going,but back to my other mom sadly she passed away at 97 after raisng my real mom/brother,us kids as well as her own kids but helped with her 15 grandkids & 5 great grand kids,She worked almost all her life and never took one red cent in welfare.

An stymie your right on about Brain & bo an the rest of the libertards if the t***h was to come up an hit them right between the eyes they wouldn't & they couldn't even say it was the t***h,all cowards.
DEAF/DUM/BLIND

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

You what I do know, absolutely: very little t***h is spoken here....lot of opinions...but no t***h....and nobody knows how to use spellcheck either. I'm seriously not trying to redirect the topic but you started first.

stymie

I had a similar situation with a black nanny that basically raised me and we kept a close relationship until her death. The b****s fear their mothers because that's who they get discipline from in most cases, if they get any today. Fear may not be the right word, perhaps respect, but there is some fear in that respect somewhere. There are always exceptions with some fathers taking responsibility and that's a good thing but primarily the mothers are the ones b****s look to for guidance and comfort. I guess the same thing could be said for any color of Mom but there was always a unspoken demand with Big Mama in my house and you didn't question it. Good memories and it sounds very similar to your experience.

stymie

I think Bill told the t***h in the video and I agree with him to a point that the implosion of the family structure is a big part of the problem. Do you have any opposing ideas you would care to share? If not then I assume you agree with Bill also.

rumitoid

Or you could assume some are still in shocked silence and unable to utter a word over his overt r****m and base (a double entendre) appeal. Angry words about their failure as a race and forgetting the long history of discrimination in this country and clear statistics and studies that show an obvious and strong prejudice still present throughout our nation and institutions is not opening a conversation: it is closing it. Bill has done this before. Give me a sec with that thought forming in your head. I am not excusing any criminal behavior due to their condition in life. Do wrong, suffer the consequences and maybe learn a lesson to do right. Yet let's not get too hasty in overlooking what privilege and profiling is in this country and how that affects people.

I am asking for an honest answer (which you can't really give, not because you are not honest, I think you are, but because, I assume, you are white): if from the time you were a young man in a "bad area" you were continually stopped and questioned by police, right there on the open street in front of all to see, not as a possible suspect but just for being black, what would be your attitude to authority? Would such relentless unjust humiliations embitter you or push you to achieve? How would these actions by authority figures influence your self-esteem? Wait! I am not saying that is an excuse for crime, yet we know what a huge influence the way we are perceived by perceived "good" people or those in authority goes to success. Sure, there are those that somehow overcome the worst possible upbringing and all odds to succeed, but those few are extraordinary exceptions.

Yet if instead you were one of privilege: what is there to overcome or where to put one's energies? P***e, not prejudice, is the goal to overcome, but privilege does not come packaged that way: it is an accepted entitlement. I am white and grew up in an upper middle class society. Private school and preference was just what I knew. I did not see this as anything special but just what I knew of life. All my friends and their family were much the same. When I was not stopped by the police for no apparent reason each time I drove, I did not ask the police for an explanation. When I was not followed around a store, I did not query security as to why not. My privilege essentially went unnoticed by me.

Prejudice is more pronounced and visible. Its reality is seen early and makes a lasting impression. And I have never experienced it. I do not know how I would react. I'm Irish and have a rebellious streak, so I may have not done well if such injustices were common in my life. And having something of an inferiority complex back then, my reaction may have potent. Unknown.

stymie

Your point is well taken, I could definitely understand not having the privilege and prejudices injected in my upbringing could and would have made substantially different conclusions in my end results. However sympathetic I am to their plight, that was then and this is now. As I said, fifty years later and pumping Billions of dollars into different programs we have lost ground. I am not saying they no longer are affected by those points but whose fault is that today in different times than you describe. Point being, back up those fifty years. In Alabama all the police were white and what you described would be true, we used the Water hoses and Billy-clubs, but today most of the police are black with black Police Chiefs, Mayors, City Councils and President; so how long do we make excuses for them. Personally I feel the time for excuses has passed.

Perhaps you missed Bill's point in that 73% of the babies in black communities are born out of wedlock. The disintegration of the black family is causing many of these problems; surely you can see that. His point was that no-one addresses this issue. Not Jessie, not Al, not the President nor any of the many organizations funded by the government to help said cause. I saw Bills frustration in no-one actually dealing with the cause. I saw his anger in everyone taking monetary advantages of the situation and not dealing with the problems. I saw Bills honest concern for the Black Race not dogging them as a failure as a Race.

In conclusion, given the opportunities presently available I feel with proper family guidance, love, structure and education they have the tools to succeed. They must somehow be challenged and have the desire to break the chains and it will be possible. Ben Carson comes to mind. What do you think?

funguy1949

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: 100% right onStymie :thumbup: :thumbup: