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Feb 16, 2019 08:29:18   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
ELIZABETH DIAS and JASON HOROWITZ

Pope Francis has expelled Theodore E. McCarrick, a former cardinal and archbishop of Washington, from the priesthood, after an expedited canonical process that found him guilty of sexually abusing minors and adult seminarians over decades, the Vatican said on Saturday.

“The Holy Father has recognized the definitive nature of this decision made in accord with law” — making it final — the Vatican said of the sentence handed down by its doctrinal watchdog.

It appears to be the first time that a cardinal or bishop in the United States has been defrocked, or laicized, from the Roman Catholic Church, and the first time any cardinal has been laicized for sexual abuse. Laicization, which strips a person of all priestly identity, also revokes church-sponsored resources like housing and financial benefits.

While the Vatican has laicized hundreds of priests for sexual abuse of minors, few of the church’s leaders have faced severe discipline. The move to defrock Mr. McCarrick is “almost revolutionary,” said Kurt Martens, a professor of canon law at the Catholic University of America.

“Now you will see that bishops are also treated like their priests,” Mr. Martens said in a phone interview. “Bishops and former cardinals are no longer immune to punishment. The reverence that was shown in the past to bishops no longer applies.”

Mr. McCarrick, now 88, was accused of sexually abusing three minors and harassing adult seminarians and priests. A New York Times investigation last summer detailed settlements paid to men who had complained of abuse when Mr. McCarrick was a bishop in New Jersey in the 1980s, and revealed that some church leaders had long known of the accusations.

Francis accepted Mr. McCarrick’s resignation from the College of Cardinals in July and suspended him from all priestly duties. He was first removed from ministry in June, after a church panel substantiated a claim that he had abused an altar boy almost 50 years ago.

Mr. McCarrick was long a prominent Catholic voice on international and public policy issues, and a champion for progressive Catholics active in social justice causes.

The move is the most serious sign to date that Pope Francis is addressing the clerical sex abuse crisis in the United States. In October, the pope laicized two retired Chilean bishops accused of sexually abusing minors. In December, Pope Francis removed two top cardinals from his powerful advisory council after they were implicated in sexual abuse cases.

In a statement on Saturday, the Vatican said that the prelate had been dismissed from a clerical state after he was tried and found guilty of several crimes: “solicitation in the Sacrament of Confession, and sins against the Sixth Commandment with minors and with adults, with the aggravating factor of the abuse of power.”

One of Mr. McCarrick’s accusers has said that when he was a boy, the then-priest touched his g*****ls during confession.

Mr. McCarrick was notified Friday of the Jan. 11 ruling and had appealed. On Wednesday, the Vatican’s doctrinal watchdog, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, rejected his appeal.

On Saturday, the Vatican spokesman, Alessandro Gisotti, told reporters that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith had extended Mr. McCarrick a penal process in which “all his rights were respected” and that his “lawyers played an active role in the course of some of the interrogations.”

The announcement’s timing shows that church leaders hope they can move forward from the scandal before next week, when the pope and the presidents of bishops’ conferences from around the world are meeting at the Vatican to discuss the sexual abuse crisis.

The Vatican’s news media outlet, the Vatican News, splashed the news of Mr. McCarrick’s dismissal from the clerical state across its website and detailed the history of allegations against him, noting that after the Archdiocese of New York had reported accusations to the Holy See in September 2017, “Pope Francis ordered an in-depth investigation.”

It added that ahead of the coming meeting, it was worth recalling the pope’s recent call for a unified response to “this evil that has darkened so many lives.” Mr. Gisotti also reiterated an October statement from the Vatican that “both abuse and its cover-up can no longer be tolerated and a different treatment for bishops who have committed or covered up abuse, in fact represents a form of clericalism that is no longer acceptable.”

Mr. McCarrick’s behavior has figured prominently in extraordinary attacks against Pope Francis, which have accused the pontiff of turning a blind eye to abuse in his midst.

In August, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, the former papal ambassador in Washington, wrote a scathing letter arguing that rampant homosexuality in the priesthood had caused the child abuse crisis and that the Vatican hierarchy had covered up accusations that Mr. McCarrick had sexually abused seminarians. The letter claimed that Francis had empowered the American prelate despite knowing about the abuses years before they became public.

Those allegations, which the Vatican disputes, remain unproven, and the timing of Mr. McCarrick’s ascent through the hierarchy coincided with the pontificates of Francis’ predecessors, Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul II.

Six weeks later, the Vatican’s prefect for the Congregation for Bishops, Cardinal Marc Ouellet, called the accusations by “dear Viganò” “false,” “far-fetched,” “blasphemous” and politically motivated to hurt Francis.

In his own letter, he told Archbishop Viganò, “I find it absolutely abhorrent that you have exploited the clamorous scandal of sexual abuse in the United States to inflict an outrageous and undeserved blow against the moral authority of your superior.”

To address the question of “how is it possible,” that Mr. McCarrick was promoted to the “high offices of archbishop of Washington and cardinal,” he acknowledged that the Vatican had urged the American “not to travel and not to appear in public, so as not to provoke more hearsay about him.”

But he said that Mr. McCarrick had shown great ability in defending himself, and sought to exonerate both Pope Francis and Pope Benedict of any complicity in Mr. McCarrick’s case.

The dismissal of the once-powerful cardinal comes as state and federal officials in the United States have ramped up investigations into sexual abuse by clergy members nationwide. At least 16 state attorneys general have opened abuse investigations since the summer, and the Justice Department has told all Catholic dioceses not to destroy documents related to sex abuse, a sign of the potential scope of a federal investigation.

The investigations spread after the release of an explosive Pennsylvania grand jury report last summer that found that Catholic priests were accused of sexually abusing more than 300 minors over decades, and that church leaders had covered up the cases.

The Vatican seemed eager on Saturday to wipe its hands of at least one of those leaders. “On the subject of what McCarrick will do now,” Mr. Gisotti said. “I have no information to give.”

:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pope-defrocks-theodore-mccarrick-ex-cardinal-accused-of-sexual-abuse/ar-BBTF4mW?oci

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Feb 16, 2019 10:06:10   #
bahmer
 
slatten49 wrote:
ELIZABETH DIAS and JASON HOROWITZ

Pope Francis has expelled Theodore E. McCarrick, a former cardinal and archbishop of Washington, from the priesthood, after an expedited canonical process that found him guilty of sexually abusing minors and adult seminarians over decades, the Vatican said on Saturday.

“The Holy Father has recognized the definitive nature of this decision made in accord with law” — making it final — the Vatican said of the sentence handed down by its doctrinal watchdog.

It appears to be the first time that a cardinal or bishop in the United States has been defrocked, or laicized, from the Roman Catholic Church, and the first time any cardinal has been laicized for sexual abuse. Laicization, which strips a person of all priestly identity, also revokes church-sponsored resources like housing and financial benefits.

While the Vatican has laicized hundreds of priests for sexual abuse of minors, few of the church’s leaders have faced severe discipline. The move to defrock Mr. McCarrick is “almost revolutionary,” said Kurt Martens, a professor of canon law at the Catholic University of America.

“Now you will see that bishops are also treated like their priests,” Mr. Martens said in a phone interview. “Bishops and former cardinals are no longer immune to punishment. The reverence that was shown in the past to bishops no longer applies.”

Mr. McCarrick, now 88, was accused of sexually abusing three minors and harassing adult seminarians and priests. A New York Times investigation last summer detailed settlements paid to men who had complained of abuse when Mr. McCarrick was a bishop in New Jersey in the 1980s, and revealed that some church leaders had long known of the accusations.

Francis accepted Mr. McCarrick’s resignation from the College of Cardinals in July and suspended him from all priestly duties. He was first removed from ministry in June, after a church panel substantiated a claim that he had abused an altar boy almost 50 years ago.

Mr. McCarrick was long a prominent Catholic voice on international and public policy issues, and a champion for progressive Catholics active in social justice causes.

The move is the most serious sign to date that Pope Francis is addressing the clerical sex abuse crisis in the United States. In October, the pope laicized two retired Chilean bishops accused of sexually abusing minors. In December, Pope Francis removed two top cardinals from his powerful advisory council after they were implicated in sexual abuse cases.

In a statement on Saturday, the Vatican said that the prelate had been dismissed from a clerical state after he was tried and found guilty of several crimes: “solicitation in the Sacrament of Confession, and sins against the Sixth Commandment with minors and with adults, with the aggravating factor of the abuse of power.”

One of Mr. McCarrick’s accusers has said that when he was a boy, the then-priest touched his g*****ls during confession.

Mr. McCarrick was notified Friday of the Jan. 11 ruling and had appealed. On Wednesday, the Vatican’s doctrinal watchdog, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, rejected his appeal.

On Saturday, the Vatican spokesman, Alessandro Gisotti, told reporters that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith had extended Mr. McCarrick a penal process in which “all his rights were respected” and that his “lawyers played an active role in the course of some of the interrogations.”

The announcement’s timing shows that church leaders hope they can move forward from the scandal before next week, when the pope and the presidents of bishops’ conferences from around the world are meeting at the Vatican to discuss the sexual abuse crisis.

The Vatican’s news media outlet, the Vatican News, splashed the news of Mr. McCarrick’s dismissal from the clerical state across its website and detailed the history of allegations against him, noting that after the Archdiocese of New York had reported accusations to the Holy See in September 2017, “Pope Francis ordered an in-depth investigation.”

It added that ahead of the coming meeting, it was worth recalling the pope’s recent call for a unified response to “this evil that has darkened so many lives.” Mr. Gisotti also reiterated an October statement from the Vatican that “both abuse and its cover-up can no longer be tolerated and a different treatment for bishops who have committed or covered up abuse, in fact represents a form of clericalism that is no longer acceptable.”

Mr. McCarrick’s behavior has figured prominently in extraordinary attacks against Pope Francis, which have accused the pontiff of turning a blind eye to abuse in his midst.

In August, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, the former papal ambassador in Washington, wrote a scathing letter arguing that rampant homosexuality in the priesthood had caused the child abuse crisis and that the Vatican hierarchy had covered up accusations that Mr. McCarrick had sexually abused seminarians. The letter claimed that Francis had empowered the American prelate despite knowing about the abuses years before they became public.

Those allegations, which the Vatican disputes, remain unproven, and the timing of Mr. McCarrick’s ascent through the hierarchy coincided with the pontificates of Francis’ predecessors, Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul II.

Six weeks later, the Vatican’s prefect for the Congregation for Bishops, Cardinal Marc Ouellet, called the accusations by “dear Viganò” “false,” “far-fetched,” “blasphemous” and politically motivated to hurt Francis.

In his own letter, he told Archbishop Viganò, “I find it absolutely abhorrent that you have exploited the clamorous scandal of sexual abuse in the United States to inflict an outrageous and undeserved blow against the moral authority of your superior.”

To address the question of “how is it possible,” that Mr. McCarrick was promoted to the “high offices of archbishop of Washington and cardinal,” he acknowledged that the Vatican had urged the American “not to travel and not to appear in public, so as not to provoke more hearsay about him.”

But he said that Mr. McCarrick had shown great ability in defending himself, and sought to exonerate both Pope Francis and Pope Benedict of any complicity in Mr. McCarrick’s case.

The dismissal of the once-powerful cardinal comes as state and federal officials in the United States have ramped up investigations into sexual abuse by clergy members nationwide. At least 16 state attorneys general have opened abuse investigations since the summer, and the Justice Department has told all Catholic dioceses not to destroy documents related to sex abuse, a sign of the potential scope of a federal investigation.

The investigations spread after the release of an explosive Pennsylvania grand jury report last summer that found that Catholic priests were accused of sexually abusing more than 300 minors over decades, and that church leaders had covered up the cases.

The Vatican seemed eager on Saturday to wipe its hands of at least one of those leaders. “On the subject of what McCarrick will do now,” Mr. Gisotti said. “I have no information to give.”

:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pope-defrocks-theodore-mccarrick-ex-cardinal-accused-of-sexual-abuse/ar-BBTF4mW?oci
ELIZABETH DIAS and JASON HOROWITZ br br Pope Fran... (show quote)


My personal opinion even though I am not a Roman Catholic is that they blew it when they said that priests couldn't marry and had to remain celibate while in the priesthood. If they had been permitted to marry and have a family many of these situations would have could have been avoided. Trying to imitate Christ while still a human being is really not a good idea as there are things that he had control over that the average human does not or at least appears to not have control over and that is the sexual urges that we humans have. Those urges will find a release one way or the other and I think that the priesthood in the Roman Catholic Church has only begun to scratch the surface regarding these crimes.

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Feb 16, 2019 10:07:17   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
bahmer wrote:
My personal opinion even though I am not a Roman Catholic is that they blew it when they said that priests couldn't marry and had to remain celibate while in the priesthood. If they had been permitted to marry and have a family many of these situations would have could have been avoided. Trying to imitate Christ while still a human being is really not a good idea as there are things that he had control over that the average human does not or at least appears to not have control over and that is the sexual urges that we humans have. Those urges will find a release one way or the other and I think that the priesthood in the Roman Catholic Church has only begun to scratch the surface regarding these crimes.
My personal opinion even though I am not a Roman C... (show quote)


How do you explain the sex crimes by Protestant pastors and church leaders?

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Feb 16, 2019 10:57:47   #
bahmer
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
How do you explain the sex crimes by Protestant pastors and church leaders?


I can't speak for everybody but my son in law is was an Assembly of God youth pastor for many years and he would not counsel a young female without his wife being present in the room. That is one suggestion for all of the pastors and priests. Ups sorry about that the priests aren't married so I guess they can call other priests and have a gang bang then. That will make the Roman Catholic Churches leadership quite happy I suppose.

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Feb 16, 2019 11:16:07   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
bahmer wrote:
I can't speak for everybody but my son in law is was an Assembly of God youth pastor for many years and he would not counsel a young female without his wife being present in the room. That is one suggestion for all of the pastors and priests. Ups sorry about that the priests aren't married so I guess they can call other priests and have a gang bang then. That will make the Roman Catholic Churches leadership quite happy I suppose.


That is an excellent suggestion...
The presence of additional witnesses...
Hope more religious leaders learn to practice what they preach...
The majority of Catholic priests (like the majority of Protestant pastors) are good, decent people...

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Feb 16, 2019 11:24:05   #
bahmer
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
That is an excellent suggestion...
The presence of additional witnesses...
Hope more religious leaders learn to practice what they preach...
The majority of Catholic priests (like the majority of Protestant pastors) are good, decent people...


If you say so you are also the one that thinks that all the
Muslims are cute and cuddly as well aren't you? Good luck
with that one as well.

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Feb 16, 2019 11:29:33   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
bahmer wrote:
If you say so you are also the one that thinks that all the
Muslims are cute and cuddly as well aren't you? Good luck
with that one as well.


I'm the one who has actually bothered to research and learn about Islam...
And so can spot lies and slander being spread about Muslims...
And who can apply critical reading in tandem with critical thinking to a discussion...
Care to back up your accusations of "thinks that all the Muslims are cute and cuddly" with some proof?
Shouldn't be hard... The OPP keeps a record of every post...

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Feb 16, 2019 11:55:43   #
okie don
 
'The Militant Muslim 'beheads' you while the Moderate Muslim holds your feet'.

Some say Marco Polo said this.

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Feb 16, 2019 11:59:51   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
okie don wrote:
'The Militant Muslim 'beheads' you while the Moderate Muslim holds your feet'.

Some say Marco Polo said this.


And yet he (Marco Polo) didn't...
If memory serves me right Marco Polo traveled to China during the Yuan (Mongolian) dynasty... This was also the dynasty that introduced Islam to China... I am sure he had many interactions with Muslims...
But never said the above mentioned words...

Maybe you are thinking of Spencer or Coulter or some other ignorant bigot?

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Feb 16, 2019 13:14:05   #
bahmer
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
And yet he (Marco Polo) didn't...
If memory serves me right Marco Polo traveled to China during the Yuan (Mongolian) dynasty... This was also the dynasty that introduced Islam to China... I am sure he had many interactions with Muslims...
But never said the above mentioned words...

Maybe you are thinking of Spencer or Coulter or some other ignorant bigot?


But he did write the following.

The Mahometan inhabitants are treacherous and unprincipled. According to their doctrine, wh**ever is stolen or plundered from others of a different faith, is properly taken, and the theft is no crime; whilst those who suffer death or injury by the hands of Christians, are considered martyrs. If, therefore, they were not prohibited and restrained by the powers who now govern them, they would commit many outrages. These principals are common to all the Saracens.

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Feb 16, 2019 15:30:25   #
Lonewolf
 
Well the GOP is looking for a few good men he'd fit right in

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Feb 16, 2019 15:36:02   #
bahmer
 
Lonewolf wrote:
Well the GOP is looking for a few good men he'd fit right in


Haven't you learned to use the quote reply tag yet?

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Feb 16, 2019 15:49:53   #
Rose42
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
How do you explain the sex crimes by Protestant pastors and church leaders?


Sex crimes are in every segment of society and in every religion. Yet, no other religion comes close to approaching the number of abuses in the Catholic church. Its been covered up for centuries. Check out the Boston Globe's Spotlight story on it - and that is just for one area.

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I'm the one who has actually bothered to research and learn about Islam...
And so can spot lies and slander being spread about Muslims...
And who can apply critical reading in tandem with critical thinking to a discussion...
Care to back up your accusations of "thinks that all the Muslims are cute and cuddly" with some proof?
Shouldn't be hard... The OPP keeps a record of every post...


You're not the only one who's researched Islam and worked with Muslims. IMO you have a more positive view of them because you've had positive experiences with them. Most of my experiences have not been positive. Particularly with the men.

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Feb 16, 2019 17:55:42   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
slatten49 wrote:
ELIZABETH DIAS and JASON HOROWITZ

Pope Francis has expelled Theodore E. McCarrick, a former cardinal and archbishop of Washington, from the priesthood, after an expedited canonical process that found him guilty of sexually abusing minors and adult seminarians over decades, the Vatican said on Saturday.

“The Holy Father has recognized the definitive nature of this decision made in accord with law” — making it final — the Vatican said of the sentence handed down by its doctrinal watchdog.

It appears to be the first time that a cardinal or bishop in the United States has been defrocked, or laicized, from the Roman Catholic Church, and the first time any cardinal has been laicized for sexual abuse. Laicization, which strips a person of all priestly identity, also revokes church-sponsored resources like housing and financial benefits.

While the Vatican has laicized hundreds of priests for sexual abuse of minors, few of the church’s leaders have faced severe discipline. The move to defrock Mr. McCarrick is “almost revolutionary,” said Kurt Martens, a professor of canon law at the Catholic University of America.

“Now you will see that bishops are also treated like their priests,” Mr. Martens said in a phone interview. “Bishops and former cardinals are no longer immune to punishment. The reverence that was shown in the past to bishops no longer applies.”

Mr. McCarrick, now 88, was accused of sexually abusing three minors and harassing adult seminarians and priests. A New York Times investigation last summer detailed settlements paid to men who had complained of abuse when Mr. McCarrick was a bishop in New Jersey in the 1980s, and revealed that some church leaders had long known of the accusations.

Francis accepted Mr. McCarrick’s resignation from the College of Cardinals in July and suspended him from all priestly duties. He was first removed from ministry in June, after a church panel substantiated a claim that he had abused an altar boy almost 50 years ago.

Mr. McCarrick was long a prominent Catholic voice on international and public policy issues, and a champion for progressive Catholics active in social justice causes.

The move is the most serious sign to date that Pope Francis is addressing the clerical sex abuse crisis in the United States. In October, the pope laicized two retired Chilean bishops accused of sexually abusing minors. In December, Pope Francis removed two top cardinals from his powerful advisory council after they were implicated in sexual abuse cases.

In a statement on Saturday, the Vatican said that the prelate had been dismissed from a clerical state after he was tried and found guilty of several crimes: “solicitation in the Sacrament of Confession, and sins against the Sixth Commandment with minors and with adults, with the aggravating factor of the abuse of power.”

One of Mr. McCarrick’s accusers has said that when he was a boy, the then-priest touched his g*****ls during confession.

Mr. McCarrick was notified Friday of the Jan. 11 ruling and had appealed. On Wednesday, the Vatican’s doctrinal watchdog, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, rejected his appeal.

On Saturday, the Vatican spokesman, Alessandro Gisotti, told reporters that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith had extended Mr. McCarrick a penal process in which “all his rights were respected” and that his “lawyers played an active role in the course of some of the interrogations.”

The announcement’s timing shows that church leaders hope they can move forward from the scandal before next week, when the pope and the presidents of bishops’ conferences from around the world are meeting at the Vatican to discuss the sexual abuse crisis.

The Vatican’s news media outlet, the Vatican News, splashed the news of Mr. McCarrick’s dismissal from the clerical state across its website and detailed the history of allegations against him, noting that after the Archdiocese of New York had reported accusations to the Holy See in September 2017, “Pope Francis ordered an in-depth investigation.”

It added that ahead of the coming meeting, it was worth recalling the pope’s recent call for a unified response to “this evil that has darkened so many lives.” Mr. Gisotti also reiterated an October statement from the Vatican that “both abuse and its cover-up can no longer be tolerated and a different treatment for bishops who have committed or covered up abuse, in fact represents a form of clericalism that is no longer acceptable.”

Mr. McCarrick’s behavior has figured prominently in extraordinary attacks against Pope Francis, which have accused the pontiff of turning a blind eye to abuse in his midst.

In August, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, the former papal ambassador in Washington, wrote a scathing letter arguing that rampant homosexuality in the priesthood had caused the child abuse crisis and that the Vatican hierarchy had covered up accusations that Mr. McCarrick had sexually abused seminarians. The letter claimed that Francis had empowered the American prelate despite knowing about the abuses years before they became public.

Those allegations, which the Vatican disputes, remain unproven, and the timing of Mr. McCarrick’s ascent through the hierarchy coincided with the pontificates of Francis’ predecessors, Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul II.

Six weeks later, the Vatican’s prefect for the Congregation for Bishops, Cardinal Marc Ouellet, called the accusations by “dear Viganò” “false,” “far-fetched,” “blasphemous” and politically motivated to hurt Francis.

In his own letter, he told Archbishop Viganò, “I find it absolutely abhorrent that you have exploited the clamorous scandal of sexual abuse in the United States to inflict an outrageous and undeserved blow against the moral authority of your superior.”

To address the question of “how is it possible,” that Mr. McCarrick was promoted to the “high offices of archbishop of Washington and cardinal,” he acknowledged that the Vatican had urged the American “not to travel and not to appear in public, so as not to provoke more hearsay about him.”

But he said that Mr. McCarrick had shown great ability in defending himself, and sought to exonerate both Pope Francis and Pope Benedict of any complicity in Mr. McCarrick’s case.

The dismissal of the once-powerful cardinal comes as state and federal officials in the United States have ramped up investigations into sexual abuse by clergy members nationwide. At least 16 state attorneys general have opened abuse investigations since the summer, and the Justice Department has told all Catholic dioceses not to destroy documents related to sex abuse, a sign of the potential scope of a federal investigation.

The investigations spread after the release of an explosive Pennsylvania grand jury report last summer that found that Catholic priests were accused of sexually abusing more than 300 minors over decades, and that church leaders had covered up the cases.

The Vatican seemed eager on Saturday to wipe its hands of at least one of those leaders. “On the subject of what McCarrick will do now,” Mr. Gisotti said. “I have no information to give.”

:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pope-defrocks-theodore-mccarrick-ex-cardinal-accused-of-sexual-abuse/ar-BBTF4mW?oci
ELIZABETH DIAS and JASON HOROWITZ br br Pope Fran... (show quote)


You gotta be suspicious when a grown man wears frocks.

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Feb 16, 2019 19:34:10   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
bahmer wrote:
But he did write the following.

The Mahometan inhabitants are treacherous and unprincipled. According to their doctrine, wh**ever is stolen or plundered from others of a different faith, is properly taken, and the theft is no crime; whilst those who suffer death or injury by the hands of Christians, are considered martyrs. If, therefore, they were not prohibited and restrained by the powers who now govern them, they would commit many outrages. These principals are common to all the Saracens.
But he did write the following. br br The Mahomet... (show quote)


Show me the source...
I have read Plenty about Marco Polo...
Never came across this gem...

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