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What Really K**led the NYC-Amazon Deal
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Feb 15, 2019 07:01:41   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
The casual observer watching the news would get the impression that that liberal objections by AOC and others to the tax incentives that Amazon was to receive was the reason that Amazon pulled out of opening their large corporate facility in NTC.

However, the real reason that the deal was scrapped appears to be the insistence of local officials for Amazon to allow it's employees to unionize.

The background on this story appears here: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-14/nyc-councilman-says-union-dispute-k**led-amazon-deal-not-subsidies

The article concludes with the following: "There you have it: A company that had promised to create 25,000 jobs with an average salary of $130,000 a year saw its plans upended because it wouldn't support - in principle - an $18-an-hour minimum wage."

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Feb 15, 2019 07:32:44   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Dumber that a box of rocks bimbo AOC doesn't understand that giving someone a tax break isn’t fungible money, it can’t be used elsewhere.

Does anybody but ignorant moonbats pay anyt attention to this jackass toothed b***h?

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Feb 15, 2019 07:33:27   #
Kevyn
 
ACP45 wrote:
The casual observer watching the news would get the impression that that liberal objections by AOC and others to the tax incentives that Amazon was to receive was the reason that Amazon pulled out of opening their large corporate facility in NTC.

However, the real reason that the deal was scrapped appears to be the insistence of local officials for Amazon to allow it's employees to unionize.

The background on this story appears here: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-14/nyc-councilman-says-union-dispute-k**led-amazon-deal-not-subsidies

The article concludes with the following: "There you have it: A company that had promised to create 25,000 jobs with an average salary of $130,000 a year saw its plans upended because it wouldn't support - in principle - an $18-an-hour minimum wage."
The casual observer watching the news would get th... (show quote)

$18 an hour is $37K a year not $130K.

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Feb 15, 2019 07:41:23   #
L8erToots
 
ACP45 wrote:
The casual observer watching the news would get the impression that that liberal objections by AOC and others to the tax incentives that Amazon was to receive was the reason that Amazon pulled out of opening their large corporate facility in NTC.

However, the real reason that the deal was scrapped appears to be the insistence of local officials for Amazon to allow it's employees to unionize.

The background on this story appears here: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-14/nyc-councilman-says-union-dispute-k**led-amazon-deal-not-subsidies

The article concludes with the following: "There you have it: A company that had promised to create 25,000 jobs with an average salary of $130,000 a year saw its plans upended because it wouldn't support - in principle - an $18-an-hour minimum wage."
The casual observer watching the news would get th... (show quote)
But right before that, didn't it say "They came in and told us they were a proudly anti-union company...they came in and said they would work with ICE to deport people...these are not the type of companies we should support,"

So I'm a little confused...which is it?
Was the beef with Amazon wanting to only hire legal immigrant workers (E-VERIFY them maybe) so that the Left can't say, when he's running for president, that he "hired i******s" like they have with Trump?
Or was Amazing refusing to have (trade) union workers CONSTRUCT the buildings? Or is he refusing to let his direct employees form a union (and if they're making an average of $120K a year and getting good benefits, why do they NEED a union?)
My son is in the Plumbers Union and is working on INTEL's plant expansion - he's not an employee of Intel, but of the company doing the construction, which is unionized.

I'm an insomniac and it's 5:30am, so my brain may be a little fuzzy right now...but it seems the article has left me with more questions than answers, which leaves me to wonder if it MIGHT be biased.

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Feb 15, 2019 08:41:57   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
Amazon does not treat it employees well! Everyone knows that!! I bet they don’t use everify!! Cheap and avusive practices! He supports Dacia so u bet he hires anyone! Took shares and bonuses away from employees, scared to death of unionization

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Feb 15, 2019 08:56:00   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
Amazon does not treat it employees well! Everyone knows that!! I bet they don’t use everify!! Cheap and avusive practices! He supports Dacia so u bet he hires anyone! Took shares and bonuses away from employees, scared to death of unionization


I doubt Amazon would hire you...One doesn't agree with their employment practices then don't work for them. That being said--$120,000 year jobs may not be that much in rip-off high cost of living New Jerk city but in Texas THAT would be a damn good paying job.

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Feb 15, 2019 12:37:55   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
buffalo wrote:
I doubt Amazon would hire you...One doesn't agree with their employment practices then don't work for them. That being said--$120,000 year jobs may not be that much in rip-off high cost of living New Jerk city but in Texas THAT would be a damn good paying job.


Kevyn wrote:
$18 an hour is $37K a year not $130K.


18 x 40 = 720

720 x 52 = 37,440

37440 != 120k

37440 != 130k


Please enlighten us as to how $18.00 an hour equals $120k or $130k, I think my math may be fuzzy as I am not getting your same results.

Oh wait, perhaps you are figuring for 3 years and 3.5 years roughly, most people factor by the year.

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Feb 15, 2019 12:45:15   #
woodguru
 
ACP45 wrote:

The article concludes with the following: "There you have it: A company that had promised to create 25,000 jobs with an average salary of $130,000 a year saw its plans upended because it wouldn't support - in principle - an $18-an-hour minimum wage."


There is something wrong with that math, there is no way 25,000 workers average salaries are going to be anywhere near $130,000 a year.

Public corporations need to be forced to implement income averaging scales that increase worker's pay and decrease CEO and management pay to sensible scales.

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Feb 15, 2019 12:49:06   #
woodguru
 
Kevyn wrote:
$18 an hour is $37K a year not $130K.


My guess is 25,000 Amazon workers would not be over $50k unless extreme salaries of CEO's is put into the equation

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Feb 15, 2019 13:05:39   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
My guess is 25,000 Amazon workers would not be over $50k unless extreme salaries of CEO's is put into the equation


Who makes $50K\year in New Jerk s**tty? No one can have a family and live on that small of an income when the average rent for a 716 sq ft apartment is $2178/month.

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Feb 15, 2019 13:43:36   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
woodguru wrote:
There is something wrong with that math, there is no way 25,000 workers average salaries are going to be anywhere near $130,000 a year.

Public corporations need to be forced to implement income averaging scales that increase worker's pay and decrease CEO and management pay to sensible scales.


No, It would be far greater than $130k if you are talking a 25k workforce.

$37,440 x 25k = $936m


Edit: Wait, you are talking about 25k employees with each employee making $130k, brain went all fuzzy for a moment.

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Feb 15, 2019 16:16:07   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
My understanding of the article and numbers goes like this.

Amazon was planning on putting their 2nd corporate headquarters in Long Island City. These are white collar executives, programmers, etc., which I assume on average earn $130,000 yr. They are not factory or fulfillment center employees making $18 hour. Granted, the construction folks and unionized plumbers, electricians earn good money, which is why several unions were supportive of the Amazon deal. It would have been great for their union members.

So, you now ask, why the issue of pushing for the ability to unionize the NY location when virtually no one there earns the minimum wage of $18 hour. Because, once you establish the precedent of a unionized workforce, then any or all of the Amazon facilities would have the right to unionize. Including all the fulfillment centers located in blue states and inner cities.

Agree or disagree?

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Feb 15, 2019 22:46:14   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
buffalo wrote:
I doubt Amazon would hire you...One doesn't agree with their employment practices then don't work for them. That being said--$120,000 year jobs may not be that much in rip-off high cost of living New Jerk city but in Texas THAT would be a damn good paying job.


Amazon did hire me! That’s why I know! They don’t pay that kind of money! New managers now only get 43,000 not enough to make a difference!!!!! I’m glad real estate fallback!!!!just trying to enlighten you with t***h!!!

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Feb 16, 2019 08:27:36   #
debeda
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
18 x 40 = 720

720 x 52 = 37,440

37440 != 120k

37440 != 130k


Please enlighten us as to how $18.00 an hour equals $120k or $130k, I think my math may be fuzzy as I am not getting your same results.

Oh wait, perhaps you are figuring for 3 years and 3.5 years roughly, most people factor by the year.


The point, I believe, is that Amazon, having refused to unionize (apparently unions require $18ph minimum wage) was a sticking point with the politicians, who apparently didn't or weren't smart enough to realize that people at the level of income being offered don't NEED a union. As far as using unions for construction, im sure New York city is like Chicago- nothing gets built without the unions, because union workers are required by building codes or something.....which is crazy, but wh**ever....

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Feb 16, 2019 08:29:40   #
debeda
 
ACP45 wrote:
My understanding of the article and numbers goes like this.

Amazon was planning on putting their 2nd corporate headquarters in Long Island City. These are white collar executives, programmers, etc., which I assume on average earn $130,000 yr. They are not factory or fulfillment center employees making $18 hour. Granted, the construction folks and unionized plumbers, electricians earn good money, which is why several unions were supportive of the Amazon deal. It would have been great for their union members.

So, you now ask, why the issue of pushing for the ability to unionize the NY location when virtually no one there earns the minimum wage of $18 hour. Because, once you establish the precedent of a unionized workforce, then any or all of the Amazon facilities would have the right to unionize. Including all the fulfillment centers located in blue states and inner cities.

Agree or disagree?
My understanding of the article and numbers goes l... (show quote)


Ugh, wish I would've seen your response before I did mine
Yours much better

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