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Feb 12, 2019 14:07:52   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
rumitoid wrote:
In an analysis of 235 mass k*****gs, many of which were carried out with firearms, 22 percent of the perpetrators could be considered mentally ill.

Overall, mass shootings by people with serious mental illness represent 1 percent of all gun homicides each year, according to the book “Gun Violence and Mental Illness” published by the American Psychiatric Association in 2016.

To be sure, gun violence experts contacted by New York Times reporters have said that barring sales to people who are deemed dangerous by mental health providers could help prevent mass shootings. But the experts said several more measures — including banning assault weapons and barring sales to convicted violent criminals — more effective.
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in the 15 years since the previous ban on the mislabeled "assault" rifle lapsed, even gun control advocates acknowledge a larger t***h: The law that barred the sale of assault weapons from 1994 to 2004 made little difference.

It turns out that big, scary military looking rifles don’t k**l the vast majority of the 11,000 Americans murdered with guns each year. Little handguns do.

In 2012, only 322 people were murdered with ANY kind of rifle, F.B.I. data shows.

It is illegal for a convicted felon to possess a firearm of any type. Do you think because it is already illegal for a convicted felon or mentally ill person to legally purchase any firearm that that prevents them from obtaining a firearm?

Newsflash moonbat, criminals, the mentally ill, or ANY person intent on carrying out a shooting of any type, including a mass shooting isn't worried about the law!

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Feb 12, 2019 14:38:56   #
Sew_What
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Part I: Mental Illness, Firearms, And Violence
January 31, 2019

Authors: John Malcolm and Amy Swearer

Summary
This is Part I of a three-part series of papers examining the intersection of mental illness, violence, and firearms. As the nation sits in the midst of a serious discussion about gun violence in general, and mass shootings in particular, we must ensure that policy decisions regarding Second Amendment rights reflect an accurate understanding of the role mental illness does and does not play in gun violence, as well as an accurate understanding of why the United States is suffering from a crisis of untreated serious mental illness.


Policies aimed at protecting the public from mass public shootings must not overlook the role of firearm access by individuals with serious mental illness.

Such policies must also take, however, a holistic approach that accounts for the various factors known to impact rates of firearm-related violence.

They must also do so without infringing on the constitutional rights of those who are not at risk of violent behavior.
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How do issues that completely contradict one another get resolved?

Hope and Prayer?

Or God forbid, infringing on someone's constitutional rights if they are crazy?

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Feb 12, 2019 18:18:28   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
rumitoid wrote:
That's the point: guns should be more difficult to get--and all that means is a two week delay for a federal background on ALL purchases of guns, no exceptions. Guns are not protecting us, they are k*****g us. Though I believe such background checks would avert more than one mass k*****g, if it only prevented one mass murder compared to getting one's panties in a bunch over some delay, it is well worth it. Under the 2nd Amendment, we have the right to bear arms, and with each right comes great responsibility. To want to do away with or not have complete universal gun-control in this nation of epidemic gun violence is immoral, immature, and gross negligence bordering on the criminal.
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I got two pistols and two rifles from my father that he got from my grandfather. I passed then on to my sons. The guns were made circa 1906, so they all are smokeless and not antique. That I , or any of my family, should have to seek government approval to pass them on is absurd and renders the 2nd Amendment null and void.....

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Feb 12, 2019 18:22:19   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
rumitoid wrote:
That's the point: guns should be more difficult to get--and all that means is a two week delay for a federal background on ALL purchases of guns, no exceptions. Guns are not protecting us, they are k*****g us. Though I believe such background checks would avert more than one mass k*****g, if it only prevented one mass murder compared to getting one's panties in a bunch over some delay, it is well worth it. Under the 2nd Amendment, we have the right to bear arms, and with each right comes great responsibility. To want to do away with or not have complete universal gun-control in this nation of epidemic gun violence is immoral, immature, and gross negligence bordering on the criminal.
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Two weeks for each purchase?
Sort of redundant...
Like getting a driver's license every time you purchase a car...
One background check on the first purchase would be fine...
After that one should simply show the background check to purchase additional firearms...

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Feb 12, 2019 18:24:35   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
woodguru wrote:
Try thinking about cases of domestic violence you personally know about, guys with a tendency to beat up the wife or girlfriend, guys who have been forced by courts to take anger management classes...look around at a teaparty meeting, p***d b**s, patriot prayer group...these right wingers have serious anger management issues.

Liberals own the name pansies for a reason, take a thousand hard right wingers and a thousand libs and one side will have the hotheads and the other the brainiacs.


Right...
The pansies in A****a are such brainiacs...

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Feb 12, 2019 22:39:27   #
Hadenough
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Part I: Mental Illness, Firearms, And Violence
January 31, 2019

Authors: John Malcolm and Amy Swearer

Summary
This is Part I of a three-part series of papers examining the intersection of mental illness, violence, and firearms. As the nation sits in the midst of a serious discussion about gun violence in general, and mass shootings in particular, we must ensure that policy decisions regarding Second Amendment rights reflect an accurate understanding of the role mental illness does and does not play in gun violence, as well as an accurate understanding of why the United States is suffering from a crisis of untreated serious mental illness.


Policies aimed at protecting the public from mass public shootings must not overlook the role of firearm access by individuals with serious mental illness.

Such policies must also take, however, a holistic approach that accounts for the various factors known to impact rates of firearm-related violence.

They must also do so without infringing on the constitutional rights of those who are not at risk of violent behavior.
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In order to understand the relationship between mental illness, violence, and firearms, we must first understand the complex phenomenon of “mental illness.” Although many Americans will experience some degree of mental illness at least once in their lives, only a small percentage will develop serious, chronic mental illnesses that substantially impact their ability to function on a daily basis.

“Mental illness” is a complex topic that affects millions of Americans every year.

The most common interaction of mental illness and firearm-related violence is suicide, which accounts for two-thirds of all annual gun-related deaths. While the United States has a comparatively high percentage of suicides that are committed with firearms as opposed to other means, it does not have a particularly high overall suicide rate compared to countries that severely limit civilian access to firearms. It is clear that mental illness plays a key role in suicide, whether carried out with firearms or through other means, but policies seeking to reduce the overall suicide rate should account for the many factors associated with increased risks of suicide, not just the presence of mental illness. Similarly, broad limitations on firearm access for individuals who are not necessarily at a heightened risk for committing suicide are unlikely to meaningfully impact overall suicide rates and should be viewed with a heavy dose of skepticism.


Finally, while most mentally ill individuals are not—and never will become—violent, certain types of untreated, serious mental illness are associated with a higher prevalence of interpersonal violent behaviors. In particular, untreated serious mental illness is prevalent in a substantial majority of individuals who commit mass public shootings. As with suicides, this does not suggest that mass k*****gs by individuals with serious mental illness are likely to be reduced by broadly limiting civilian access to firearms. The connection between untreated serious mental illness and specific types of firearm-related violence cannot, however, be overlooked, and must be addressed as one of many factors in a truly holistic approach to understanding the interaction between mental illness and violence.
I. What Is Mental Illness?

In order to understand the role mental illness plays in violence generally, and in firearm-related violence specifically, we must first answer one important question: What is mental illness? This is no easy task, as mental illness is an extraordinarily complex phenomenon. “Mental illness” refers to a medical condition that causes significant behavioral or psychological symptoms that impair a person’s ability to think, feel, and relate to others,1

Mental Disorders, World Health Organization (Apr. 28, 2017), http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs396/en/.
which often causes “a diminished capacity for coping with the ordinary demands of life.”2

Our Philosophy, Nat’l Alliance on Mental Illness, http://www.namimobile.org/about-us.html (last visited Apr. 24, 2018); see alsoMental Illness, Nat’l Inst. of Mental Health, https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/mental-illness.shtml (last visited Apr. 24, 2018). The term is also occasionally used interchangeably with “psychiatric disorder” and “psychological disorder,” though these references are less common. Underlying all of these terms is the same basic reality of an individual whose mental or emotional systems are not operating in a healthy way, to the point that it negatively impacts his or her normal day-to-day functioning.
The term “mental illness” is used interchangeably with “mental disorder,” which the American Psychiatric Association defines as “a syndrome characterized by clinically significant disturbance in an individual’s cognition, emotional regulation, or behavior that reflects a dysfunction in the psychological, biological, or developmental processes underlying mental functioning.”3

American Psychiatric Association, Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (5th ed. 2013). This definition comes from the fifth and latest edition of the Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, often referred to as DSM-5. Both the fifth edition and earlier editions of the DSM have received (sometimes appropriate) criticism for various faults, including the creation of too many diagnostic categories and labelling apparent non-conformity or political incorrectness as indicative of psychiatric illness as indicative of psychiatric illness. See, e.g., Dan J. Stein et al., What is a Mental/Psychiatric Disorder? From DSM-IV to DSM-V, 40 Psychol. Med. 1759 (2010), https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3101504/pdf/nihms291831.pdf; News Analysis: Controversial Mental Health Guide DSM-5, National Health Service (Aug. 15, 2013), https://www.nhs.uk/news/mental-health/news-analysis-controversial-mental-health-guide-dsm-5/. These criticisms, however, do not detract from the DSM-5’s position as the standard treatise on mental disorders, and the manual still provides a useful basis for understanding and analyzing afflictions long recognized as genuine mental disorders, such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

Put more simply, mental illness is a medical condition that primarily affects a person’s thought processes and emotions instead of his or her physical abilities.

Just as there are many different types of physical illnesses, there are many different types of mental illnesses. It is a broad definition that can include a number of subset mental illness “groupings,” like affective disorders,4

Affective disorders, also known as mood disorders, are characterized by extended periods of depressed, euphoric, or irritable moods that cause significant interference with a person’s daily life. See Mood Disorders,

Personality disorders cover a broad swath of various maladaptive personality traits that result in significant distress, social impairment, or occupational impairment. Common personality disorders include borderline personality disorder (characterized by impulsive behavior, unstable relationships, and frequent displays of intense anger), antisocial personality disorder (characterized by consistent irresponsible or violent behaviors that disregard the rights, safety, or feelings of others without remorse), and obsessive-compulsive personality disorder (characterized by a preoccupation with details, rigid control, and orderliness that is unusually inflexible)

Anxiety disorders are the most common group of mental illnesses, and are characterized by the association of intense fear or anxiety with a certain object or situation, often involving frequent episodes of sudden, acute feelings of terror that interfere with everyday life. /syc-20350961. Diagnoses can include panic disorder—which describes sudden onsets of paralyzing terror or impending doom that cause physical symptoms mimicking a heart attack—post-traumatic stress disorder, and various phobias. Id. Some professionals characterize obsessive-compulsive disorder as an anxiety order, because for many people the repetitive actions are an attempt to alleviate distressing thoughts. See, e.g., What Is Psychiatric Disability and Mental Illness?, Boston U. Ctr. For Psychiatric Rehabilitation obsessive compulsive disorder as an anxiety disorders for these reasons), https://cpr.bu.edu/resources/reasonable-accommodations/what-is-psychiatric-disability-and-mental-illness/.
and psychotic disorders.7

Psychotic disorders are those in which a person experiences delusions, hallucinations, disorganized thoughts, repetitive or nonsensical verbal patterns, or a******l motor behavior over a prolonged period of time. See Jeffrey A. Leiberman & Michael B. First, Psychotic Disorders, 379 N. Eng. J. Med. 270 (2018).
It covers such varied diagnoses as schizophrenia,8

Schizophrenia is a serious, complex mental illness that “interferes with a person’s ability to think clearly, manage emotions, make decisions, and relate to others.” See Schizophrenia, National Alliance on Mental Illness (last visited Aug. 15, 2018), https://www.nami.org/Learn-More/Mental-Health-Conditions/Schizophrenia. It is characterized by the persistent occurrence of at least two of the following symptoms to a degree of reduced functioning: delusions, hallucinations, disorganized speech, disorganized or catatonic behavior, negative symptoms like emotional disconnect or flat affect. See id.; Schizophrenia, Mayo Clinic (last updated Apr. 10, 2018), https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/schizophrenia/symptoms-causes/syc-20354443.
depression,9

Depression is classified as a mood disorder in which a person experiences constant or near-constant feelings of sadness, hopelessness, worthlessness, or anxiety for a prolonged period of time, often without knowing why these feelings are occurring. These feelings are usually significant enough to interfere with everyday activities, sleep patterns, and social relationships. It is also common for people suffering from depression to have suicidal thoughts or exhibit suicidal behaviors. See Depression (Major Depressive Disorder), Mayo Clinic (Feb. 3, 2018), https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/depression/symptoms-causes/syc-20356007.
bipolar disorder,10

Bipolar Disorder is also known as “manic-depressive disorder,” and all four of its basic types are characterized by unusual but clear and intense changes in mood, energy, and activity levels. See Bipolar Disorder: Overview, Nat’l Inst. Mental Health (last visited Jan. 3, 2019), https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/bipolar-disorder/index.shtml.
post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD),11

PTSD is a mental disorder that a person may develop after exposure to a traumatic event, often inhibiting his or her ability to mentally and emotionally cope with the event’s occurrence. Symptoms vary over time and by person, but can include flashbacks of the traumatic event, nightmares, emotional distress or numbness, irritability or angry outbursts, engaging in self-destructive behavior, and being easily startled or frightened.
Agoraphobia is an anxiety disorder in which a person experiences an actual or anticipated fear of feeling trapped, helpless, or embarrassed, which often causes them to avoid public places. See Agoraphobia, Mayo Clinic (Nov. 18, 2017), https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/agoraphobia/symptoms-causes/syc-20355987.

As with physical illness, the symptoms of mental illness can range from mild, temporary, and manageable to severe, life-long, and debilitating.13

See David B. Kopel & Clayton E. Cramer, Reforming Mental Health Law to Protect Public Safety and Help the Mentally Ill, 58 How. L. J. 716, 719–20 (2015).
And, similar to physical illnesses, mental illness is a very common occurrence, with anywhere from one-third to one-half of Americans experiencing mental illness at some point in their lives.14

See Nathaniel S. Lehrman, The Dangers of Mental Health Screening, 11 J. of Am. Physicians & Surgeons 80 (2006) (giving a general overview of how the alleged increasing prevalence of mental illness is not truly indicative of a long-term, widespread, and growing problem, but is instead reliant on changing definitions of the problem), http://www.jpands.org/vol11no3/lehrman.pdf.
Many of these individuals, however, will never present a danger to themselves or others, nor even find themselves significantly or chronically impaired.

This is an excerpt from a presentation at Hillsdale College. When I can find parts 2 and 3 I will post them. For those ofus who are psychiatrists, this simple explanation may make discussions on mental illness easier to understand.

Id.
In other words, only a small subset of individuals with mental illness will suffer from “serious mental illness,” which is generally defined as a “functional impairment which substantially interferes with or limits one or more major life activities.”16

SeeSerious Mental Illness, Nat’l Inst. Mental Health (last updated Nov. 2017), https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/mental-illness.shtml.
While any subset of mental illness can rise to the level of “serious mental illness,” individuals with schizophrenia, bi-polar disorder, and major depression comprise the bulk of those suffering from serious mental illness.17

See What is “Serious Mental Illness” and What Is Not?, Mental Illness Policy Org (last visited Aug. 27, 2018), https://mentalillnesspolicy.org/serious-mental-illness-not/.
Fewer than 1 in 25 individuals in the United States will develop one of these serious mental ill
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Was this research conducted on dems after President T***p w*n the e******n? How many registered dems are there? Just wondering.

MAGA

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Feb 12, 2019 22:47:38   #
woodguru
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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I’m buying more ammo tomorrow


you disappoint me, you don't already have enough?

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Feb 12, 2019 22:51:16   #
woodguru
 
Sew_What wrote:

Hope and Prayer?
Or God forbid, infringing on someone's constitutional rights if they are crazy?


really, of course, crazy people have no rights to own guns

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Feb 12, 2019 22:51:45   #
Sicilianthing
 
woodguru wrote:
you disappoint me, you don't already have enough?


>>>

You can never have enough with a Tyrannical Government:



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Feb 14, 2019 09:30:51   #
Oldsalt
 
There is not a law currently on the books or one you could write that would have stopped the last few mass shootings. To stop mass shootings you need to teach values to the youth of the nation. I was raised with guns in the home, they were never locked up. We knew they weren’t toys, they were fun to shoot, but it was always under dad’s supervision. It’s not the tool, it’s how you are taught to use the tool. And any infringement on my Constitutionally protected rights will be met with resistance. I don’t trust the folks in DC to protect me and my family. Hell, they can’t even protect the boarder from invasion right now. No I’ll keep my guns and rely on myself thank you.

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Feb 14, 2019 09:49:27   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Oldsalt wrote:
There is not a law currently on the books or one you could write that would have stopped the last few mass shootings. To stop mass shootings you need to teach values to the youth of the nation. I was raised with guns in the home, they were never locked up. We knew they weren’t toys, they were fun to shoot, but it was always under dad’s supervision. It’s not the tool, it’s how you are taught to use the tool. And any infringement on my Constitutionally protected rights will be met with resistance. I don’t trust the folks in DC to protect me and my family. Hell, they can’t even protect the boarder from invasion right now. No I’ll keep my guns and rely on myself thank you.
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Feb 14, 2019 12:49:57   #
woodguru
 
Oldsalt wrote:
There is not a law currently on the books or one you could write that would have stopped the last few mass shootings. To stop mass shootings you need to teach values to the youth of the nation. I was raised with guns in the home, they were never locked up. We knew they weren’t toys, they were fun to shoot, but it was always under dad’s supervision. It’s not the tool, it’s how you are taught to use the tool. And any infringement on my Constitutionally protected rights will be met with resistance. I don’t trust the folks in DC to protect me and my family. Hell, they can’t even protect the boarder from invasion right now. No I’ll keep my guns and rely on myself thank you.
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I'm 62, and things were as you said, I hunted every day by myself and with friends from the time I was about 14.

In my country rural area there were two households where I knew the kids involved and one that I didn't with guys my age who had kids k**led by teens looking at their dad's unlocked bedroom gun. This kind of death was playing out by the hundreds in incidents in California that we now have laws that have dramatically reduced them.

Look at how many incidents have happened in the last year or two where some well intentioned parent has a little kid shooting someone with a loaded firearm that laws about safe storage would have prevented. I'm sure each of these parents who lived through this thing they never thought could happen to them felt exactly as you do, that they have a right to protect their families.

The right has attitudes about constitutional rights that in reality do not exist.

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Feb 14, 2019 12:58:34   #
woodguru
 
Oldsalt wrote:
There is not a law currently on the books or one you could write that would have stopped the last few mass shootings. To stop mass shootings you need to teach values to the youth of the nation. I was raised with guns in the home, they were never locked up. We knew they weren’t toys, they were fun to shoot, but it was always under dad’s supervision. It’s not the tool, it’s how you are taught to use the tool. And any infringement on my Constitutionally protected rights will be met with resistance. I don’t trust the folks in DC to protect me and my family. Hell, they can’t even protect the boarder from invasion right now. No I’ll keep my guns and rely on myself thank you.
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Actually you are entirely incorrect, proactive responses to unhinged shooters that gave plenty of signals could have prevented many of them. These are often people with violent histories, and actual reports filed but law enforcement has no ability to respond because of the fact that even unhinged people have rights that need to end.

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Feb 14, 2019 13:04:56   #
Rose42
 
woodguru wrote:
Actually you are entirely incorrect, proactive responses to unhinged shooters that gave plenty of signals could have prevented many of them. These are often people with violent histories, and actual reports filed but law enforcement has no ability to respond because of the fact that even unhinged people have rights that need to end.


No he's correct. There are plenty of people unhinged out there who have never done anything like this and to promote people snitching on each other just in case is too far out there. Let's start denying people rights just in case they "might" do something in the future? If you start down that road you may as well burn the constitution.

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Feb 14, 2019 13:57:26   #
Oldsalt
 
Those are not gun laws. Those people like the MSD Highschool shooter had plenty of times to be interdicted by local and Fedral law but they dropped the ball. Don't infringe on me because of their failure.

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