Mental Illness, Firearms, And Violence (Page 2): As the saying goes: " Sometimes I feel I should be admitted to a mental aslym, look around me and realize, perhaps I already am".

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As the saying goes:

" Sometimes I feel I should be admitted to a mental aslym, look around me and realize, perhaps I already am".

Bcon

buffalo wrote:

Your blather only proves we have a criminal and crazy epidemic in the US because law abiding, sane gun owners do not commit murder or crimes with or without guns. They use them for sport and to protect their lives, their family's lives and their property. Why do anti-gun moonbats like you have a problem with guns and not with the criminals and crazies that use them to commit crimes or murder?

Probably because the murderers and dingbats are mostly democrats. Rumi feels that if guns were gone his fellow libs wouldn’t k**l so much and his party would look better.

rumitoid

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Ten times more likely to be k**led by 'guns'...
In other countries, where guns are more difficult to get, there would probably be a higher rate of knife deaths...
China comes to mind... As does the UK...

I agree that greater gun control is needed...
But the route if the problem is not the law abiding gun owners who exercise their rights...

That's the point: guns should be more difficult to get--and all that means is a two week delay for a federal background on ALL purchases of guns, no exceptions. Guns are not protecting us, they are k*****g us. Though I believe such background checks would avert more than one mass k*****g, if it only prevented one mass murder compared to getting one's panties in a bunch over some delay, it is well worth it. Under the 2nd Amendment, we have the right to bear arms, and with each right comes great responsibility. To want to do away with or not have complete universal gun-control in this nation of epidemic gun violence is immoral, immature, and gross negligence bordering on the criminal.

woodguru

rumitoid wrote:

The United States is suffering from a crisis of ma... (show quote)

By definition the person who uses guns to k**l and injure innocent people has a serious mental health issue.

Changing the dynamics of drunk driver deaths isn't about limiting the numbers of cars, it was a much harsher treatment of drunk drivers that made a difference...

The correlation is a much harsher outlook on people who should not have a gun, personally I feel that people in unhinged people's lives need to take a proactive position about making it clear that someone they know is a danger in terms of having access to guns. People involved with certain degrees of domestic violence and anger management issues need to be restricted. A harsh view on a few hundred thousand people with aberrant mental health issues would affect a percentage of the types of random violence we are seeing. Unstable people do not have the same rights that stable people do.

woodguru

rumitoid wrote:

That's the point: guns should be more difficult to... (show quote)

Background checks are part of it, more comprehensive reporting of mental health issues, especially anger management issues resulting in domestic violence needs to be implemented, screw the gun rights of unstable people.

rumitoid

woodguru wrote:

By definition the person who uses guns to k**l and... (show quote)

In an analysis of 235 mass k*****gs, many of which were carried out with firearms, 22 percent of the perpetrators could be considered mentally ill.

Overall, mass shootings by people with serious mental illness represent 1 percent of all gun homicides each year, according to the book “Gun Violence and Mental Illness” published by the American Psychiatric Association in 2016.

To be sure, gun violence experts contacted by New York Times reporters have said that barring sales to people who are deemed dangerous by mental health providers could help prevent mass shootings. But the experts said several more measures — including banning assault weapons and barring sales to convicted violent criminals — more effective.

woodguru

Bcon wrote:

Probably because the murderers and dingbats are mostly democrats. Rumi feels that if guns were gone his fellow libs wouldn’t k**l so much and his party would look better.

Try thinking about cases of domestic violence you personally know about, guys with a tendency to beat up the wife or girlfriend, guys who have been forced by courts to take anger management classes...look around at a teaparty meeting, p***d b**s, patriot prayer group...these right wingers have serious anger management issues.

Liberals own the name pansies for a reason, take a thousand hard right wingers and a thousand libs and one side will have the hotheads and the other the brainiacs.

Rose42

woodguru wrote:

By definition the person who uses guns to k**l and... (show quote)

The numbers of people k**led in auto accidents isn't just because of drunks. Its carelessness. Try legislating against that.

You want to encourage people to be snitches? Who decides who is "unhinged"? Thats a dangerous road to go down. Animal rightists encourage snitching and we have crazy people snitching on anything they don't like which plays right into their hands. The same will happen here. Guaranteed. And those who are wrong when they snitch never face repercussions.

Bcon

rumitoid wrote:

That's the point: guns should be more difficult to... (show quote)

You have it wrong again. Guns do not k**l people. The nuts, usually left leaning, behind the guns that pull the triggers, k**l us. If America wanted to really bring down the death rate from firearms, all that would have to be done would be to restrict l*****t, liberal, democrats from owning or handling the.

Bcon

woodguru wrote:

Try thinking about cases of domestic violence you personally know about, guys with a tendency to beat up the wife or girlfriend, guys who have been forced by courts to take anger management classes...look around at a teaparty meeting, p***d b**s, patriot prayer group...these right wingers have serious anger management issues.

Liberals own the name pansies for a reason, take a thousand hard right wingers and a thousand libs and one side will have the hotheads and the other the brainiacs.

Most every shooting, single or mass, in the past number of years has been democrat. Check the stats.

rumitoid

Blade_Runner wrote:

There ya go, folks, you just read the latest repea... (show quote)

How about 1. something % or lower for the vast majority of European nations? Do you object to such a rate here? Responsible gun-control could make the US as safe. 4.7 is nothing to be proud of.

Bcon

rumitoid wrote:

That's the point: guns should be more difficult to... (show quote)

Their are millions of guns in public hands. The membership of the NRA have proven to be the least likely to use the gun to harm someone. The NRA has been teaching and practicing gun safety to our youth and others for decades. These gun owners have little to do with gun violence. You found it not disturbing at all that Obama and his pal Holder passed hundreds of guns to criminals in Mexico in the fast and furious debacle.
I can bet that you were all okay with that.

Bcon

woodguru wrote:

By definition the person who uses guns to k**l and... (show quote)

You can also argue that by definition any person knowingly backing Hillary Clinton, after all the criminal activities perpetrated by her was known, has serious mental health issues. Maybe we shouldtake away their v****g privelidges. Seems fair to me.

rumitoid

Bcon wrote:

Their are millions of guns in public hands. The membership of the NRA have proven to be the least likely to use the gun to harm someone. The NRA has been teaching and practicing gun safety to our youth and others for decades. These gun owners have little to do with gun violence. You found it not disturbing at all that Obama and his pal Holder passed hundreds of guns to criminals in Mexico in the fast and furious debacle.
I can bet that you were all okay with that.

Similar to Iran-Contra, this was a terrible abuse by the president, especially their attempts to cover it up (and blame Bush). The GOP, in charge at the time, should have pressed for impeachment. But what has that to do with gun violence and mental illness in America?

Bcon

rumitoid wrote:

Similar to Iran-Contra, this was a terrible abuse by the president, especially their attempts to cover it up (and blame Bush). The GOP, in charge at the time, should have pressed for impeachment. But what has that to do with gun violence and mental illness in America?

If you can define what degree of mental illness is enough to confiscate guns you may have a good argument. Under Obama they were ready to take all guns from anyone who had a caretaker for his finances. The libs takeanydair practice and try to use it for their own political reasons. Who is going to define what degree of mental illness is dangerous to others. There are already laws on the books that do deny firearms to certain people due to their mental capacity and for many other reasons. These laws are violated or attempt to violate every day. When someone can be really fair, without a political agenda, to implement FAIR laws, then you might have a case. Many laws are on the books, such as if you are a felon who is caught with a firearm, you should automatically det a minimum of five years imprisonment. How often do you think this happens? As long as you have laws, you will have lawbreakers. There is no one answer that is fair to all.