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Feb 10, 2019 20:32:08   #
tbutkovich (a regular here)
 
No! Man was created in God’s own image and likeness!

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Feb 10, 2019 20:36:35   #
JFlorio (a regular here)
 
In my denomination, Baptist, any person of any denomination can be a Christian. Simply put it requires one to believe Jesus is who he said he is and he did what he said he came to do. That is basically what the Bible says is a believer, who then became to be known as Christians.
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Thanks Radiance....
I bear no hatred towards Catholics (when I am visiting my hometown I often go to the Catholic church for services.... The priest is an excellent man and gives superb sermons...)
And it is not my place to disagree with any on this thread... One cannot learn if one is attempting to teach... And I am here to learn...

I do have a query....

Quote:
"Anti-Christians are those groups of people who decide and judge other Christians as Cults and Pagans."

Considering your stance on Protestants, do you consider yourself anti-christian?

And as to 'drunks and drug addicts' being anti-christian...
How did you reach this conclusion?
The others I can follow your reasoning...

Thanks for sharing...
And God bless....
Thanks Radiance.... br I bear no hatred towards Ca... (show quote)

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Feb 10, 2019 21:00:25   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
JFlorio wrote:
In my denomination, Baptist, any person of any denomination can be a Christian. Simply put it requires one to believe Jesus is who he said he is and he did what he said he came to do. That is basically what the Bible says is a believer, who then became to be known as Christians.


That is my understanding of the Bible as well...

And I usually take a person's word for it that they are a christian...

Query:
Do you believe that homosexuals can be christians?

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Feb 10, 2019 21:26:48   #
JFlorio (a regular here)
 
Yes. It is not the fact someone is homosexual that causes them to be any more of a sinner than a straight person. According to my pastor (whom I respect tremendously) the straight couple living with each other but not married and having sex with each other is as much a sin as the homosexual act. Exactly why Jesus said go forth and sin no more. However; sex between a married man and woman is not sinful while sex between homosexuals even if married is according to the Bible.


quote=Canuckus Deploracus]That is my understanding of the Bible as well...

And I usually take a person's word for it that they are a christian...

Query:
Do you believe that homosexuals can be christians?[/quote]

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Feb 10, 2019 21:32:58   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
JFlorio wrote:
Yes. It is not the fact someone is homosexual that causes them to be any more of a sinner than a straight person. According to my pastor (whom I respect tremendously) the straight couple living with each other but not married and having sex with each other is as much a sin as the homosexual act. Exactly why Jesus said go forth and sin no more. However; sex between a married man and woman is not sinful while sex between homosexuals even if married is according to the Bible.


quote=Canuckus Deploracus]That is my understanding of the Bible as well...

And I usually take a person's word for it that they are a christian...

Query:
Do you believe that homosexuals can be christians?
Yes. It is not the fact someone is homosexual that... (show quote)
[/quote]

We have similar understandings on this matter...

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Feb 11, 2019 00:37:35   #
rumitoid (a regular here)
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
As per my word, given to a fellow member of the OPP, on my last 'Definitions' post, this week's definition will be the term 'anti-christian'...

I will admit that this term is exceedingly difficult for me to define... I have spent some time this past week to reflect on it and find myself stumped as to a definitive definition...

I invite all members of the OPP to share their wisdom and understanding with each other and myself...

How do you (personally) define the term 'anti-christian'?

And what signs would there be that an individual was engaging in the act?
As per my word, given to a fellow member of the OP... (show quote)


Interesting topic, one I never really contemplated. I am trying what may be a different approach. Perhaps a better question would be to ask what is true Christianity. Can people be anti-Christian if they do not precisely know what it means to be an authentic Christian? What are those tenets and beliefs, traditions and practices, rites and doctrines that are genuine to the faith in Christ?

There are about 41,000 (estimates vary greatly but always in the tens of thousands) different Christian denominations in five major 'families' of churches/communion. The percentages in brackets indicate the percent of the Christian population affiliated with each 'family' or group of denominations:

1. The Catholic Church [50%]
2. Historic Protestant and Anglican churches [18%]
3. The Eastern Churches (Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East) [12%]
4. Pentecostal churches [12%]
5. Evangelical (non-Pentecostal) [8%]

These later two categories include a number of "non-denominational" or independent congregations. All five, however, have a various number of 'sects' within them. (Notice that Mormons, who considered themselves Christians, are not mentioned.)

So, to find out what constitutes an actual or proper anti-Christian attitude, we just ask...who? A Baptist or a Catholic? Pentecostal churches or Eastern Churches?

We cannot say that an anti-Christian is one who opposes Christianity because many devout Christians see other sects and denominations different than their own Christian tenets and beliefs, traditions and practices, rites and doctrines as anti-Christian.
Atheists are not necessarily anti-Christian per se but simply do not believe in God, which means any number of other religions that believe in God. However, most Christians would see this non-belief in God as being anti-Christian, and see agnostics the same way.
Most Christians down through the millennia saw the Jews, the root of Christianity, as Christ-killers, which would definitely qualify as anti-Christian.
The definition of anti-Christian is complex.

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Feb 11, 2019 00:46:02   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
rumitoid wrote:
Interesting topic, one I never really contemplated. I am trying what may be a different approach. Perhaps a better question would be to ask what is true Christianity. Can people be anti-Christian if they do not precisely know what it means to be an authentic Christian? What are those tenets and beliefs, traditions and practices, rites and doctrines that are genuine to the faith in Christ?

There are about 41,000 (estimates vary greatly but always in the tens of thousands) different Christian denominations in five major 'families' of churches/communion. The percentages in brackets indicate the percent of the Christian population affiliated with each 'family' or group of denominations:

1. The Catholic Church [50%]
2. Historic Protestant and Anglican churches [18%]
3. The Eastern Churches (Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East) [12%]
4. Pentecostal churches [12%]
5. Evangelical (non-Pentecostal) [8%]

These later two categories include a number of "non-denominational" or independent congregations. All five, however, have a various number of 'sects' within them. (Notice that Mormons, who considered themselves Christians, are not mentioned.)

So, to find out what constitutes an actual or proper anti-Christian attitude, we just ask...who? A Baptist or a Catholic? Pentecostal churches or Eastern Churches?

We cannot say that an anti-Christian is one who opposes Christianity because many devout Christians see other sects and denominations different than their own Christian tenets and beliefs, traditions and practices, rites and doctrines as anti-Christian.
Atheists are not necessarily anti-Christian per se but simply do not believe in God, which means any number of other religions that believe in God. However, most Christians would see this non-belief in God as being anti-Christian, and see agnostics the same way.
Most Christians down through the millennia saw the Jews, the root of Christianity, as Christ-killers, which would definitely qualify as anti-Christian.
The definition of anti-Christian is complex.
Interesting topic, one I never really contemplated... (show quote)


Thank you... This was well thought out and excellently worded...

Query:
Are there any definite acts that could be seen as anti-christian?


Query:
What about Islam?
A religion that claims Jesus as a prophet, the Word made flesh, yet often finds itself at odds with its Christian brothers...
Would you define Muslims as anti-christian?

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Feb 11, 2019 09:32:50   #
Wonttakeitanymore (a regular here)
 
John 3:16!! Nuf said! Anyone who doesn’t believe is anti Christian or prechristian!

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Feb 11, 2019 09:37:52   #
kemmer (a regular here)
 
badbobby wrote:
the Democratic party
seems to be 'anti-christian' at least seems to be fast becoming 'anti-christian
to-wit
late term abortions
preaching self before God
belittling those who have faith
promoting Socialism,and Communism

It's all subjective. Some evangelicals say Catholics are ipso facto anti Christian, and indeed the pope is the anti-Christ.

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Feb 11, 2019 09:40:50   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
John 3:16!! Nuf said! Anyone who doesn’t believe is anti Christian or prechristian!


Thank you...
Do you include Jews and Muslims in that definition?

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Feb 11, 2019 09:51:30   #
Rose42 (a regular here)
 
Anti-Christian -

Anyone who rejects Christ as Lord and Savior. I see no reason for further elaboration. 'Anti' means against. It doesn't mean one will necessarily be violent or condemning.

Having said that only God knows someone's heart and who is saved or not.

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Feb 11, 2019 10:39:47   #
JFlorio (a regular here)
 
Such an interesting question. There are many quotes in the Koran that lead one to believe that Islam definitely is anti everyone not them. Jews are a different ballgame altogether. Though not believers as I am the Bible says the Jews are his people and God has saved them and dealt harshly with them through history. The book of Revelation is actually more about the Jews than Christians. There will be millions of converts to Christianity during the End Times I believe.
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Thank you...
Do you include Jews and Muslims in that definition?

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Feb 11, 2019 10:44:53   #
JFlorio (a regular here)
 
You should stay away from subjects you don’t get. Of course then you couldn’t speak. I’m evangelical and study prophesy and have never heard the Pope as antiChrist. If someone says it however doesn’t mean it’s a popular sentiment among any group. You trolls love to paint with a broad brush.
kemmer wrote:
It's all subjective. Some evangelicals say Catholics are ipso facto anti Christian, and indeed the pope is the anti-Christ.

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Feb 11, 2019 11:01:21   #
kemmer (a regular here)
 
JFlorio wrote:
You should stay away from subjects you don’t get.

Your take on millions becoming Christian “at the end times” shows your parochial grasp of the subject and is only one of many. “Heaven has many mansions”.

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Feb 11, 2019 11:15:47   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
Rose42 wrote:
Anti-Christian -

Anyone who rejects Christ as Lord and Savior. I see no reason for further elaboration. 'Anti' means against. It doesn't mean one will necessarily be violent or condemning.

Having said that only God knows someone's heart and who is saved or not.


Thanks Rose...
I agree strongly with the last statement...

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