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Feb 10, 2019 16:18:07   #
Bad Bob
 
woodguru wrote:
Good post... "christians" are taking an incorrect rhetorical position against people who object to religious values being brought to our government and laws.

"Alt Anti-Christian"
1. People who have nothing against Christianity or Christians as a group, but want them to keep their religious values all to themselves and stop trying to subvert the government and laws into supporting christian beliefs.

2. Best defined by the example that they have no more against Muslims or Jews or any other religious group, but strongly believe that these religious groups are entitled to believe whatever they want but not to "practice" their beliefs in such a way that infringes on anyone else's rights and freedom. Christianity as a faith is lumped right along with any other religion in this regard.

3. Those who believe Christians have no more rights than any other people, including gays, blacks, hispanics, Muslims, Jews...etc.

4. Atheists, Agnostics...typically marked by a benign attitude about christians or those of any other religion or faith. Most do not care about what others believe, it means little or nothing to them, and think that is is an individual's right to believe whatever they want. Many, if not most see no difference between any religion over another, recognizing religious beliefs taken to an extreme produces terrorism and wars.

People of belief are only noticed by people who don't care when they choose to represent that their beliefs somehow take precedence over laws and other people's rights. It is then that they object to Christians professing a right to "practice" their religion and beliefs.

There are millions of christians who do not believe that the government has a right to interfere with a woman's right to have an abortion, or gay rights and freedoms, such as an employer having the right to fire someone because they are gay.

This is not a religious thing, it is a bigotry thing, it is people using religion as an excuse to treat different groups of people badly.
Good post... "christians" are taking an ... (show quote)



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Feb 10, 2019 18:39:47   #
tbutkovich
 
The atheists, unless they repent, will have committed the unforgivable sin. For those who would like to find out what is the unforgivable sin, read the passage from Billy Graham below:

https://billygraham.org/story/whats-the-unforgivable-sin-billy-graham-answers/

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Feb 10, 2019 18:51:36   #
tbutkovich
 
Matt. 12:30-32 was directed toward the Pharisees who watched with their own eyes while Jesus performed miracles of various kinds. They refused to believe He was the Messiah their own scriptures had foretold so they attributed His miracles to the only other supernatural force they knew, the devil (Matt. 12:24).

When He took on human form Jesus set aside His God-like power and performed His miracles through the power of the Holy Spirit, so these Pharisees were blaspheming the Holy Spirit. By saying they would not be forgiven in this age or the age to come Jesus was saying that by their conscious unbelief they had sealed their eternal destiny.

Many Jews of the Lord’s time and since have come to faith in Him and had their sins forgiven. A significant number of Pharisees were included among them. It’s only those who knowingly blasphemed the Holy Spirit by attributing His miraculous work to Satan who were eternally condemned. All others have their lifetime on Earth to decide whether to accept the Lord’s death as payment for their sins and be saved, just like the Gentiles.

By the way, since Church age believers have the Holy Spirit sealed within us, it’s impossible for us to commit this sin. And unlike the Pharisees, most unbelievers are not knowledgeable enough to consciously do this either. For our age the unforgivable sin is to reject the pardon Jesus purchased for us with His life. Doing so puts us outside of God’s forgiveness because the death of His Son is the only remedy He has provided for our sin problem.

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Feb 10, 2019 19:50:13   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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God decides who belong to Him or not. Christians have a covenant with Christ.
Most democrats now violate the mandates of God. E.g. abortion has gone worst. They also sell the baby parts for money, just as thousands of protestant pastors sell the Holy Scriptures of God with their various interpretations.

Jesus is the judge of all.


Interesting...
But could you define the term 'anti-christian' please....
Thanks

Edit: I saw further down that you did... My thanks

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Feb 10, 2019 19:51:36   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
tbutkovich wrote:
A Christian is one who believes that Christ is their Savior and who honors the word of God.

Christians in their physical being are alive but in their spiritual being are living or dead, awake or asleep!

A believer who has sinned but has repented is awake, has accepted Christ into his heart and his spirit is alive. Should his physical life end in this state, his soul will be rewarded with everlasting life.

A believer who has sinned but has not repented is asleep, his sprit is dead. Should his physical life end in this state, his soul will be condemned to everlasting death.

To gain everlasting life, you must walk with Christ down the “righteous path.” If you happen to deviate and fall into sin, you immediately ask for forgiveness to get your spiritual life back.

God assured all who accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and have repented their sins will gain eternal life? We all must atone for our sins which is a cleansing process. In the Catholic Church, they call it purgatory.

Non-Christians who do not believe in Christ or God are aetheists and they will not achieve eternal life nor will those who, although they practice good works, but reject the fact that Christ is their Savior will also be denied eternal life.
A Christian is one who believes that Christ is the... (show quote)


These are both excellent definitions of the terms 'christian' and 'non-christian'...
Could you define 'anti-christian'?
You are very elegantly spoken...

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Feb 10, 2019 19:53:15   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
JFlorio wrote:
Besides the actual definition in the dictionary I think when I hear the term anti Christian from people I don’t think of someone who just doesn’t believe. I think of someone who has to try and degrade someone for believing and also question their sanity. When I meet an atheist I feel sorry for them but I never just degrade them personally because they don’t believe.


Thank you...

Agreed... Degradation of an individual's personal belief is uncivil and ungentlemanly...

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Feb 10, 2019 19:55:05   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
jeff smith wrote:
some one who thinks that every one should be allowed to do what they want to do no matter what anyone else has to say . there are no limits and no morals . it is what I want it to be. Christians are loony toons to believe in a God. there is no creator. taking any mention of God or Jesus out of any public form. anti Christians want the Christian belief to be shut down, no worship no gatherings destroy all evidence of text found that support and prove Christianity . one who will not believe that we were created. that we came from some sort of slime pit. this could go on an on
some one who thinks that every one should be allow... (show quote)


Thanks...
I had to read it a few times...
By 'coming from a slime pit' are you referencing evolution?

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Feb 10, 2019 19:59:40   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
Good post... "christians" are taking an incorrect rhetorical position against people who object to religious values being brought to our government and laws.

"Alt Anti-Christian"
1. People who have nothing against Christianity or Christians as a group, but want them to keep their religious values all to themselves and stop trying to subvert the government and laws into supporting christian beliefs.

2. Best defined by the example that they have no more against Muslims or Jews or any other religious group, but strongly believe that these religious groups are entitled to believe whatever they want but not to "practice" their beliefs in such a way that infringes on anyone else's rights and freedom. Christianity as a faith is lumped right along with any other religion in this regard.

3. Those who believe Christians have no more rights than any other people, including gays, blacks, hispanics, Muslims, Jews...etc.

4. Atheists, Agnostics...typically marked by a benign attitude about christians or those of any other religion or faith. Most do not care about what others believe, it means little or nothing to them, and think that is is an individual's right to believe whatever they want. Many, if not most see no difference between any religion over another, recognizing religious beliefs taken to an extreme produces terrorism and wars.

People of belief are only noticed by people who don't care when they choose to represent that their beliefs somehow take precedence over laws and other people's rights. It is then that they object to Christians professing a right to "practice" their religion and beliefs.

There are millions of christians who do not believe that the government has a right to interfere with a woman's right to have an abortion, or gay rights and freedoms, such as an employer having the right to fire someone because they are gay.

This is not a religious thing, it is a bigotry thing, it is people using religion as an excuse to treat different groups of people badly.
Good post... "christians" are taking an ... (show quote)


My thanks for taking the time to write all that..
And so very clearly and concisely...
I am glad you shared this...
I have found lots to think about and am sure other members will too...



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Feb 10, 2019 20:07:33   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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I know you Deploracus, won't agree with me because I am a Catholic, having a Covenant with Christ, through the Holy Communion. Track records of your postings indicate your hatred towards Catholics. That is okay. You have the freedom to speak.

Anti Christians are those groups of people who violate the Commandments of Christ, and His early Church teachings, 1,987 years ago.

Anti-Christians are those groups of people who decide and judge other Christians as Cults and Pagans.

Anti Christians are Muslims who kill Christians unless they submit to their god.
Anti Christians are those who abort or kill babies, then sell baby-parts for money. Most of them are protected by Democrats like Nancy Pelosi, Obama, etc.

Anti-Christians are drug addicts, Atheists, drunks, socialists, communists, and Islam believers.
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Thanks Radiance....
I bear no hatred towards Catholics (when I am visiting my hometown I often go to the Catholic church for services.... The priest is an excellent man and gives superb sermons...)
And it is not my place to disagree with any on this thread... One cannot learn if one is attempting to teach... And I am here to learn...

I do have a query....

Quote:
"Anti-Christians are those groups of people who decide and judge other Christians as Cults and Pagans."

Considering your stance on Protestants, do you consider yourself anti-christian?

And as to 'drunks and drug addicts' being anti-christian...
How did you reach this conclusion?
The others I can follow your reasoning...

Thanks for sharing...
And God bless....

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Feb 10, 2019 20:08:46   #
tbutkovich
 
Anti-Christians: Activist atheists promoting “Freedom From Religion” who are diametrically opposed to Christian Religions.

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Feb 10, 2019 20:09:26   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
Bad Bob wrote:


No sharing of your understanding Bob who is Bad?

I Liked Woodguru's post as well...

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Feb 10, 2019 20:12:59   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
tbutkovich wrote:
Activist atheists promoting “Freedom From Religion” who are diametrically opposed to Christian Religions.


Thanks...

Are these activists only opposed to christian religions(in your opinion)?

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Feb 10, 2019 20:15:02   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
badbobby wrote:
I would hope that every one would accept our Lord


I saved you for last BB...

Your answer embodies the nobility and excellence that (In my opinion) all Christians should strive for...


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Feb 10, 2019 20:19:36   #
tbutkovich
 
They do not believe in any God. They believe all life was created by natural processes. They likely support Darwin’s Theory of Evlution.

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Feb 10, 2019 20:28:56   #
Canuckus Deploracus (a regular here)
 
tbutkovich wrote:
They do not believe in any God. They believe all life was created by natural processes. They likely support Darwin’s Theory of Evlution.


Interesting...

Could God not have used natural processes to create life? There are some christians who support evolution....

I am not debating you... Just want to clarrify if you consider all proponents of evolutionbto be anti-christian.....

Thanks

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