The right clings to the only numbers that reflect positive, and play them like Trump did that.

Try playing any numbers you want from when Bush left office until Obama left office and tell me how Obama came so close to destroying the economy. the economy was destroyed when Bush left office

Then look at the economy Bush took over from Clinton, it makes Bush look even worse considering how well it had been doing.

Stop playing rhetorical fool's logic and try some simple factual logic.

Anybody who wouldn't want the economy the way it was when Trump took office over this unstable mess is delusional

Sorry, I just don't see this claim being true, not with the way in which you bash ANYTHING/EVERYTHING Democrat and blindly back EVERYTHING Republican. Perhaps you should do some soul searching and find your true feelings.

As for me, I see the failings of both sides, while I may not point out every failing on either side, I do see failings on both sides and I point out those I feel most strongly against. I also tend to point out some I don't feel particularly strong about IF I feel the need to point out one side's hypocrisy. I truly AM an Independent, just because I don't like Trump doesn't make me a Democrat, I just see him for what he is. I have actually somewhat liked some Republican presidents, I have disapproved of some Democratic presidents.

I will admit this, other than Tricky Dicky (and I didn't absolutely h**e him), I have NEVER felt this strongly against ANY president prior to Trump. He has shown himself to be very immature/thin skinned, an illiterate moron, r****t, bigoted, misogynistic, narcissistic, authoritarian and a compulsive liar. None of those traits are favorable. Do I h**e Trump? I decided to ask myself that all too recently, the answer, yes, I suppose I do, but for very good reasons, none of which have to do with party affiliations or policy.

Your turn, why do you h**e Obama so much?

I don’t h**e Bo, I despise him immensley and do not trust him... Took me a year to get there but thats the t***h of it for me..

Secondly I said Middle East, not Iran, you automatically thought Iran tho, why is that?? How much did he give Saudia Arabia in weapons supposedly purchased??? How about the 125,000 the U.S. Treasury Department had in 2015 signed off on t***sfer to the Islamic Relief Agency, a Sudan-based group listed as a funder of terrorism..???why did he do thst again??How much did he try to give Pakistan the last date was in office? How many weapons got in the hands of terrorist because of B******i? Curious you automatically assumed Iran, probably because it was the largest hit in funds all under the Process that it was their money to begin with.

Lolol you make me laugh in your “sorry I don't believe this “because I spoke of the republicans.. Yet you can claim your impartial, no party affiliation?? Your whole premise has been defending Democrats... Methinks you doth protest too much...

...Secondly I said Middle East, not Iran, you automatically thought Iran tho, why is that?? How much did he give Saudia Arabia in weapons supposedly purchased??? How about the 125,000 the U.S. Treasury Department had in 2015 signed off on t***sfer to the Islamic Relief Agency, a Sudan-based group listed as a funder of terrorism..???why did he do thst again??How much did he try to give Pakistan the last date was in office? How many weapons got in the hands of terrorist because of B******i? Curious you automatically assumed Iran, probably because it was the largest hit in funds all under the Process that it was their money to begin with.

Guru, I think the posts speak to all the issues you bring up as well..

We all have our interpretation of how things have gone along and no matter how much we debate that’s not going to change.. I respect your position and do agree with some things you bring up.. I would ask you to afford me the same considerations..

The blame game is quite candidly BS all the way around and each Presidents failures and accomplishments and each had area’s that could have had better results..

We can sit in here running our fingers in place of our mouths or we can get out and put action to these obtrusive comments made by each of us...
Don’t like what someone is doing make a difference it out there and change it.

That’s the biggest problem with we the citizens, we v**e them in and then think everything is going to be just fine not holding any of them accountable for anything they do. Then we b***h when they don’t do what we thought they were going to do based on their campaign promises. Call it as you will President Trump has kept true to his campaign promises And I’ll take that over any of the other lyen fools out there that Dupe us all, or think they do...

Not that you speak about Republicans, more how harshly you bash ALL Democrats and so highly praise any Republicans/Republican policy.

As for my claim of being Independent, that is only because I AM an independent. There have been many instances of where I didn't agree with some policies Democrats have proposed, dependent on how much I disagreed with them on whether I am willing to speak out about it, if it isn't worth my time to defend my position, I am not going to bother. At home, where I can SPEAK my mind rather than have to type them out, I am much more outspoken, both against Republican politicians/policies and Democratic politicians/policies. There are even issues that I don't feel strongly enough about to even bother forming an opinion.

Some of the issues I do feel strongly enough about to form opinions on are lies, hypocrisy, stupidity, false accusation, and unfounded hatred. All of which I see here on this site, both from Democrats and Republicans as well as on occasion, even from independents. Any guesses which of the three seems to spew the most undue, unfocused hatred?

Perhaps I should track the lies, hypocrisy, stupidity, false accusations, and unfounded hatred I see and publish my findings. If you would care to pay attention I am sure you would see way too many prime examples of undue, unfocused hatred here in these threads.

You could never keep up with all the lies, hypocrisy and expressed hatred in here!!!
I do see way too much of it by both sides and eventually tire of it and the ones expressing it.. You pretty well know the ones that are like that, which are the ones I ignore...

We are independants with certain leaning tendencies is that fair as far as defining us?? Although, I don’t like labels we can just say we lean a certain way..

Believe it or not, on occasion, rare as it is I also learn from different people of “the other leaners..” lolol All good when that happens... Which is one of the reasons I enjoy coming here.. Reading other people’s opinion is an eye opener to that other position also involved..

Well look at it this way, for a President that doesn’t do anything those January job numbers of 261,000 in an already thriving economy with income levels also increased I hope he keeps doing nothing~~!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Sorry for the Good News
A bang-up jobs report reveals underlying economic strength.
By The Editorial Board
Feb. 1, 2019 6:26 p.m. ET
Friday was a bad day in certain media and political precincts as the labor market turned in another gangbuster performance in January. The recession may not be imminent after all, and more people are working and making more money. Apologies to Senators Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren and the writers at Bloomberg for the good news.
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From Wall Street Journal~~

https://www.wsj.com/articles/sorry-for-the-good-news-11549063609

There are others also out there...

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/02/03/trump-humiliated-as-leaked-private-schedule-shows-him-doing-nothing.html

Someone in the White House leaked Trump’s private schedule for the last three months, and it shows Trump spending the majority of his time watching TV, tweeting, and consuming media.
Axios reported:
– Since Nov. 7, the day after the midterm e******ns, Trump has spent around 297 hours in Executive Time, according to the 51 private schedules we’ve obtained.


– For those same schedules, Trump has had about 77 hours scheduled for meetings that include policy planning, legislative strategy and video recordings.
Some days, Executive Time totally predominates. For instance, he had 1 hour of scheduled meetings on Jan. 18 (with acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney and

Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin) and 7 hours of Executive Time.
– The day after the midterms, Trump’s schedule had 30 minutes for a chief of staff meeting and more than 7 hours for Executive Time.

Trump isn’t a president. He’s a couch potato.

This is the second leak of Trump’s private schedule that has been released to the media. A little more than a year ago, Trump’s private schedule leaked and it showed him not starting his day until 11 AM and only working until 6 PM. It might seem unimaginable, but Trump is doing even less now. The president now has entire days that are spent tweeting and watching television.


Trump isn’t governing, so who is running the country?

Donald Trump isn’t governing. He isn’t interested in running the country, which raises the question is anyone running the country? Trump’s administration runs around with no direction because there is zero leadership at the top. Trump would rather tweet, watch TV, and golf than do the job that the presidency requires. The Trump administration is in year three, and they have accomplished nothing.
The most precious and limited resource that a president has is time.

Trump isn’t maximizing his time in the White House, which is why his administration has been a total failure.
Donald Trump can have all the “executive time” that he wants after v**ers boot him from the White House and send him back to Trump Tower.
For more discussion about this story join our Rachel Maddow and MSNBC group.

If he can get as much done in so small amount of time, he must have the superpower of the comic book hero, Flash.

But really, anybody who has been in Trump's presence for days or even hours has attested that he is hard to keep up with. In fact you didn't need to be with him to see it was true during his campaign. Just look at the schedule of rallies, meetings, and other events he covered. The biggest limiting factors on how many events he did was 1) The time taken in the event itself. And 2) The time in t***sportation between events.