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Feb 4, 2019 14:37:01   #
woodguru
 
Trump isn't capable of shame, only anger that anyone would dare criticize his greatness.

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Feb 4, 2019 14:50:09   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
lindajoy wrote:
Yes, yes, common sense matters.. Eight years in office and he brought 2 part time jobs in for the work Force.. Never had any numbers in his terms but he surely is the reason for our excellent economy now.. The GDP under him certainly shows how good he had everything running too.. lololo Your a r**t~~~


Nice try but again you fail. GDP was on an upward trend under Obama as well.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/188105/annual-gdp-of-the-united-states-since-1990/


Admittedly, that isn't from a governemtn web site but then I didn't readily see one, if you can find one to prove your point, feel free to post it.

Thus far, your arguments against Obama in this thread are jobs... Upward trend during Obama years CONTINUED into Trump years and GDP...Upward trend under Obama, continued upward trend under Trump, please feel free to offer substantive evidence where Obama failed in those two fronts and Trump masterfully turned things around... Well... That or get off Obama's back about it, very unbecoming to praise someone that steps into an already improving situation without markedly increasing the upward trend while all the while dogging the one that started that upward trend off on the right track.


Oh, and need I remind everyone, I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican, I choose my side based solely on what I relate to the most when I head into the v****g booth/post my opinions online. It is more to do with the issues than the party for me.



Edit: I seem to have forgotten to mention, Obama came in under a recession, one that if allowed to stay the course COULD have rolled over into a depression. I give Obama high marks for turning things around and quite quickly as well. Can anyone here prove that ANYTHING Trump has done while in office made any MARKED improvements in those two upward trends? Both of those charts show a fairly steady upward trend with no MARKED spikes AFTER Trump entered office.

I am not saying he did anything to hinder the upward trend on neither of those two upwardly mobile trends, only that I don't see any marked changes in either of them either. Facts are facts and those that choose to ignore them... Well... Ignorance is just that, ignorance.

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Feb 4, 2019 14:55:16   #
woodguru
 
Notice there's no denials, just disgust that anyone would leak this? The comment that this is not anything people don't already know sort of says it all. If everyone already knows this what's the big deal about making it official? It's that the base can play allegations of this being the most useless president ever off as f**e news, and now it's not so f**e anymore.

https://dmlnews.com/report-disgust-disbelief-within-white-house-trumps-schedule-leaks/

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Feb 4, 2019 15:00:14   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
woodguru wrote:
Notice there's no denials, just disgust that anyone would leak this? The comment that this is not anything people don't already know sort of says it all. If everyone already knows this what's the big deal about making it official? It's that the base can play allegations of this being the most useless president ever off as f**e news, and now it's not so f**e anymore.

https://dmlnews.com/report-disgust-disbelief-within-white-house-trumps-schedule-leaks/


That article is from today, give them time, they will either deny it or they won't, but you must give them time to notice the leak first.

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Feb 4, 2019 15:01:42   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Nice try but again you fail. GDP was on an upward trend under Obama as well.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/188105/annual-gdp-of-the-united-states-since-1990/


Admittedly, that isn't from a governemtn web site but then I didn't readily see one, if you can find one to prove your point, feel free to post it.

Thus far, your arguments against Obama in this thread are jobs... Upward trend during Obama years CONTINUED into Trump years and GDP...Upward trend under Obama, continued upward trend under Trump, please feel free to offer substantive evidence where Obama failed in those two fronts and Trump masterfully turned things around... Well... That or get off Obama's back about it, very unbecoming to praise someone that steps into an already improving situation without markedly increasing the upward trend while all the while dogging the one that started that upward trend off on the right track.


Oh, and need I remind everyone, I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican, I choose my side based solely on what I relate to the most when I head into the v****g booth/post my opinions online. It is more to do with the issues than the party for me.
Nice try but again you fail. GDP was on an upward ... (show quote)


Ok I’ll play for a minute ..I’ll even use a chart for you..

The U.S. GDP increased by 3.5 percent from the second quarter of 2018 to the third quarter of 2018. Overall, the US GDP increased by 2.3 percent in 2017, which can be found here.
State of the GDP after recession

The real quarterly U.S. GDP growth in recent years since the recession has been mostly positive with some small exceptions. The GDP in the United States in the first quarter of 2009 experienced a 5.4 percent decrease. The National Bureau of Economic research dates the beginnings of the economic recession at December 2007. By 2009, <snip>
More to read below~~

https://www.statista.com/statistics/188185/percent-chance-from-preceding-period-in-real-gdp-in-the-us/

We do agree on one thing. I am neither party as well.. There really isn’t a party platform but we the citizens vs the elite of criminal hill..

As for the rest of your opinion, we all have one~~A good thing.. Can you just imagine if we were all the same in thought?? Good Lord would that be boring!!!

Sorry I can’t give you a longer period of time considering Trump has only been in office two years compared to Bo ‘s eight..

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Feb 4, 2019 15:08:37   #
woodguru
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Nice try but again you fail. GDP was on an upward trend under Obama as well.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/188105/annual-gdp-of-the-united-states-since-1990/


Admittedly, that isn't from a governemtn web site but then I didn't readily see one, if you can find one to prove your point, feel free to post it.

Thus far, your arguments against Obama in this thread are jobs... Upward trend during Obama years CONTINUED into Trump years and GDP...Upward trend under Obama, continued upward trend under Trump, please feel free to offer substantive evidence where Obama failed in those two fronts and Trump masterfully turned things around... Well... That or get off Obama's back about it, very unbecoming to praise someone that steps into an already improving situation without markedly increasing the upward trend while all the while dogging the one that started that upward trend off on the right track.


Oh, and need I remind everyone, I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican, I choose my side based solely on what I relate to the most when I head into the v****g booth/post my opinions online. It is more to do with the issues than the party for me.
Nice try but again you fail. GDP was on an upward ... (show quote)


I don't get where the right believes Obama almost destroyed the country's economy, was the worst ever... what was Bush? He took a budget surplus and gave it away in tax cuts, ended with a $1.4 Trillion deficit, trashed the housing market, trashed the stock market, lost 25 million jobs, had an 11%+ unemployment rate...

How can Obama be seen to be worse than that? He had almost eight straight uninterrupted years of jobs growth, record stock market numbers continually trending upward, strong housing prices and robust sales, higher numbers of oil drilling permits issued than Bush did, 5% unemployment, put on 14 million jobs... and did it all with record levels of GOP obstruction like we've never seen before.

But the right doesn't want to talk about Bush, the standard answer being "oh, it was all Bush's fault"...which the reality is...yes it was.

Can you imagine if Trump took over from Bush? Tax cuts and chaos would have ended the country. The only reason we aren't tanked right now is a testament to the strength of the economy when Trump took office, because he has systematically done all the wrong things.

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Feb 4, 2019 15:09:01   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
lindajoy wrote:
Ok I’ll play for a minute ..I’ll even use a chart for you..

The U.S. GDP increased by 3.5 percent from the second quarter of 2018 to the third quarter of 2018. Overall, the US GDP increased by 2.3 percent in 2017, which can be found here.
State of the GDP after recession

The real quarterly U.S. GDP growth in recent years since the recession has been mostly positive with some small exceptions. The GDP in the United States in the first quarter of 2009 experienced a 5.4 percent decrease. The National Bureau of Economic research dates the beginnings of the economic recession at December 2007. By 2009, <snip>
More to read below~~

https://www.statista.com/statistics/188185/percent-chance-from-preceding-period-in-real-gdp-in-the-us/

We do agree on one thing. I am neither party as well.. There really isn’t a party platform but we the citizens vs the elite of criminal hill..

As for the rest of your opinion, we all have one~~A good thing.. Can you just imagine if we were all the same in thought?? Good Lord would that be boring!!!

Sorry I can’t give you a longer period of time considering Trump has only been in office two years compared to Bo ‘s eight..
Ok I’ll play for a minute ..I’ll even use a chart ... (show quote)


It takes time to reverse a recession, he came in during the recession's infancy, it doesn't turn around over night. First step is recognizing it is a recession, step two is deciding how best to turn it around, step three make the corrections and wait for the results to start to show. It looks to me like he managed it well enough, like I said, it doesn't turn around immediately.

For all the bashing the Republicans do on Obama, it really does look like he did a decent job.

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Feb 4, 2019 15:10:56   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
woodguru wrote:
I don't get where the right believes Obama almost destroyed the country's economy, was the worst ever... what was Bush? He took a budget surplus and gave it away in tax cuts, ended with a $1.4 Trillion deficit, trashed the housing market, trashed the stock market, lost 25 million jobs, had an 11%+ unemployment rate...

How can Obama be seen to be worse than that? He had almost eight straight uninterrupted years of jobs growth, record stock market numbers continually trending upward, strong housing prices and robust sales, higher numbers of oil drilling permits issued than Bush did, 5% unemployment, put on 14 million jobs... and did it all with record levels of GOP obstruction like we've never seen before.

But the right doesn't want to talk about Bush, the standard answer being "oh, it was all Bush's fault"...which the reality is...yes it was.

Can you imagine if Trump took over from Bush? Tax cuts and chaos would have ended the country. The only reason we aren't tanked right now is a testament to the strength of the economy when Trump took office, because he has systematically done all the wrong things.
I don't get where the right believes Obama almost ... (show quote)



How can you not see????? It is because Obama was a Democrat!!!! There is nothing worse than a Democrat!!!!.... Well... In the eyes of a Republican that is.

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Feb 4, 2019 15:12:52   #
woodguru
 
lindajoy wrote:

The U.S. GDP increased by 3.5 percent from the second quarter of 2018 to the third quarter of 2018. Overall, the US GDP increased by 2.3 percent in 2017, which can be found here.
State of the GDP after recession


The right clings to the only numbers that reflect positive, and play them like Trump did that.

Try playing any numbers you want from when Bush left office until Obama left office and tell me how Obama came so close to destroying the economy. the economy was destroyed when Bush left office

Then look at the economy Bush took over from Clinton, it makes Bush look even worse considering how well it had been doing.

Stop playing rhetorical fool's logic and try some simple factual logic.

Anybody who wouldn't want the economy the way it was when Trump took office over this unstable mess is delusional

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Feb 4, 2019 15:38:41   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
It takes time to reverse a recession, he came in during the recession's infancy, it doesn't turn around over night. First step is recognizing it is a recession, step two is deciding how best to turn it around, step three make the corrections and wait for the results to start to show. It looks to me like he managed it well enough, like I said, it doesn't turn around immediately.

For all the bashing the Republicans do on Obama, it really does look like he did a decent job.


It does take time to rebound from a recession snd eight years in our oval office should have brought it well before Trump..Seems it only took Trump two even if you want to give credit to Bo..

The bashing was for the obvious, he couldn’t /didn’t do much but bash our country in his apology tour and give the Middle East more money than he spent trying to get our country up and running..

And look at the h**e and division / obstruction in last two years!!! Didn’t we have enough of that garbage before???

Until we start making our country issues the more important matters , this BS on power and control is a joke!! If they can’t all get on board and compromise where needed to move this country forward then they need to be thrown out on their ear just as hard as we can throw them!!!! And just so there’s no mistake I don’t give a damn what party it is!!!

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Feb 4, 2019 15:55:32   #
Lonewolf
 
lindajoy wrote:
It does take time to rebound from a recession snd eight years in our oval office should have brought it well before Trump..Seems it only took Trump two even if you want to give credit to Bo..

The bashing was for the obvious, he couldn’t /didn’t do much but bash our country in his apology tour and give the Middle East more money than he spent trying to get our country up and running..

And look at the h**e and division / obstruction in last two years!!! Didn’t we have enough of that garbage before???

Until we start making our country issues the more important matters , this BS on power and control is a joke!! If they can’t all get on board and compromise where needed to move this country forward then they need to be thrown out on their ear just as hard as we can throw them!!!! And just so there’s no mistake I don’t give a damn what party it is!!!
It does take time to rebound from a recession snd ... (show quote)



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Feb 4, 2019 16:35:49   #
woodguru
 
lindajoy wrote:
It does take time to rebound from a recession snd eight years in our oval office should have brought it well before Trump..Seems it only took Trump two even if you want to give credit to Bo..


first of all Trump hasn't done anything in two years that wasn't already in place, the economy was stable and trending positive. This is anything but a stable economy.

In eight years Obama took 11%+ unemployment and reduced it to 5%
the stock market was posting all time record highs, been awhile huh?
real estate prices were growing and houses were selling quickly, going soft now

Think back to when Obama took office, remember the mess everything was in? The economy is about stability, modest or otherwise. Stellar growth and fixes aren't worth it if it crashes the economy. There is a delusion in the minds of Trump supporters about what has been done in two years. The damage over what has been done will be ever more apparent as time goes on. The worst thing being tax cuts that are obviously increasing the deficit and debt load, it was not the right time for that. What was the rush, why do it? It was a last minute money grab by and for the wealthy before the economy crashes.

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Feb 4, 2019 17:00:25   #
Lonewolf
 
woodguru wrote:
first of all Trump hasn't done anything in two years that wasn't already in place, the economy was stable and trending positive. This is anything but a stable economy.

In eight years Obama took 11%+ unemployment and reduced it to 5%
the stock market was posting all time record highs, been awhile huh?
real estate prices were growing and houses were selling quickly, going soft now

Think back to when Obama took office, remember the mess everything was in? The economy is about stability, modest or otherwise. Stellar growth and fixes aren't worth it if it crashes the economy. There is a delusion in the minds of Trump supporters about what has been done in two years. The damage over what has been done will be ever more apparent as time goes on. The worst thing being tax cuts that are obviously increasing the deficit and debt load, it was not the right time for that. What was the rush, why do it? It was a last minute money grab by and for the wealthy before the economy crashes.
first of all Trump hasn't done anything in two yea... (show quote)


but Obama had a big problem he was black

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Feb 4, 2019 17:02:02   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
lindajoy wrote:
It does take time to rebound from a recession snd eight years in our oval office should have brought it well before Trump..Seems it only took Trump two even if you want to give credit to Bo..


The recession hurt the numbers very greatly. what you fail to give Obama credit for is that he did increase jobs, not just from the sad state of affairs of when he entered office, but more significantly, from the high point under Bush's term. He not only regained the jobs lost due to the recession, he gained more on top of that. If it hadn't been for the recession he had to counter, his ending numbers would have been far greater than what they were when he left office. Trump on the other hand, he came in during an upward trend and there is NO marked difference in the upward trend under Trump over what we saw under Obama so let us give credit where credit is due. It is much more difficult to turn around a recession than it is to continue an ongoing trend.

lindajoy wrote:
The bashing was for the obvious, he couldn’t /didn’t do much but bash our country in his apology tour and give the Middle East more money than he spent trying to get our country up and running..


If we owe an apology, we should grant that apology. That is called diplomacy. as for your assertion that we "gave" Iran more money than he spent turning the economy around... That one is so ill informed that I am left dumbfounded. We gave back $400 million of Iran's own money to them. This $400 million was never ours in the first place, it was always Iran's money, we just merely gave it back to them and we got 5 American prisoners in the exchange. We spent far more than that turning the recession around so I would love to see your math on that claim.

lindajoy wrote:
And look at the h**e and division / obstruction in last two years!!! Didn’t we have enough of that garbage before???


Much of the h**e and division in America is due to those that are hating being emboldened to do so because Trump has shown that it is alright by his own actions/words/defense and appreciation that he shows r****ts and h**ers. If you are referring to what is going on in congress, that isn't Obama's fault, I don't recall one story from ANY media outlet (preferably a respectable one that doesn't spin conspiracy theories) that has claimed that Obama has requested/encouraged congress to obstruct Trump's agenda.

If we are going to point fingers and assign blame, should we leave out the fact that the Republicans did the same things under Obama's administration. Again, you bias is showing that you would point the finger of blame at Democrats while holding Republicans blameless.

lindajoy wrote:
Until we start making our country issues the more important matters , this BS on power and control is a joke!! If they can’t all get on board and compromise where needed to move this country forward then they need to be thrown out on their ear just as hard as we can throw them!!!!


Yes, we SHOULD be working towards bipartisanship, TRUE bipartisanship, not "Democrats MUST pass Republican sponsored bills but Republicans don't need to help pass Democrat supported bills", that isn't true bipartisanship as much as you appear to like to think it is.

lindajoy wrote:
And just so there’s no mistake I don’t give a damn what party it is!!!


Sorry, I just don't see this claim being true, not with the way in which you bash ANYTHING/EVERYTHING Democrat and blindly back EVERYTHING Republican. Perhaps you should do some soul searching and find your true feelings.

As for me, I see the failings of both sides, while I may not point out every failing on either side, I do see failings on both sides and I point out those I feel most strongly against. I also tend to point out some I don't feel particularly strong about IF I feel the need to point out one side's hypocrisy. I truly AM an Independent, just because I don't like Trump doesn't make me a Democrat, I just see him for what he is. I have actually somewhat liked some Republican presidents, I have disapproved of some Democratic presidents.

I will admit this, other than Tricky Dicky (and I didn't absolutely h**e him), I have NEVER felt this strongly against ANY president prior to Trump. He has shown himself to be very immature/thin skinned, an illiterate moron, r****t, bigoted, misogynistic, narcissistic, authoritarian and a compulsive liar. None of those traits are favorable. Do I h**e Trump? I decided to ask myself that all too recently, the answer, yes, I suppose I do, but for very good reasons, none of which have to do with party affiliations or policy.

Your turn, why do you h**e Obama so much?

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Feb 4, 2019 17:18:12   #
Lonewolf
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Sorry, I just don't see this claim being true, not with the way in which you bash ANYTHING/EVERYTHING Democrat and blindly back EVERYTHING Republican. Perhaps you should do some soul searching and find your true feelings.

As for me, I see the failings of both sides, while I may not point out every failing on either side, I do see failings on both sides and I point out those I feel most strongly against. I also tend to point out some I don't feel particularly strong about IF I feel the need to point out one side's hypocrisy. I truly AM an Independent, just because I don't like Trump doesn't make me a Democrat, I just see him for what he is. I have actually somewhat liked some Republican presidents, I have disapproved of some Democratic presidents.

I will admit this, other than Tricky Dicky (and I didn't absolutely h**e him), I have NEVER felt this strongly against ANY president prior to Trump. He has shown himself to be very immature/thin skinned, an illiterate moron, r****t, bigoted, misogynistic, narcissistic, authoritarian and a compulsive liar. None of those traits are favorable. Do I h**e Trump? I decided to ask myself that all too recently, the answer, yes, I suppose I do, but for very good reasons, none of which have to do with party affiliations or policy.

Your turn, why do you h**e Obama so much?
Sorry, I just don't see this claim being true, not... (show quote)



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