National Emergency and a Muslim President of the USA: The left seems so in love with Islam out of pure ignorance. How may homosexual people on the left actually know that under Islam...

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

The left seems so in love with Islam out of pure ignorance. How may homosexual people on the left actually know that under Islam, homosexual behavior is punishable by death? A future Muslim president, elected by the left, might actually declare a national emergency that there are huge and growing numbers of gay men in the country!!

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Ask one of those who love muslims about the phase MAKR/MAKIR of Allah.
As written in the Koran, it means that Allah (the god they worship) is the 'best deceiver'. In the bible (old and new), who is described as the deceiver?

If a muslim is elected as President... it is not just homosexuals that will be targeted.

nwtk2007 wrote:

The left seems so in love with Islam out of pure ignorance. How may homosexual people on the left actually know that under Islam, homosexual behavior is punishable by death? A future Muslim president, elected by the left, might actually declare a national emergency that there are huge and growing numbers of gay men in the country!!

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

nwtk2007 wrote:

The left seems so in love with Islam out of pure ignorance. How may homosexual people on the left actually know that under Islam, homosexual behavior is punishable by death? A future Muslim president, elected by the left, might actually declare a national emergency that there are huge and growing numbers of gay men in the country!!

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Pennylynn wrote:

Ask one of those who love muslims about the phase MAKR/MAKIR of Allah.
As written in the Koran, it means that Allah (the god they worship) is the 'best deceiver'. In the bible (old and new), who is described as the deceiver?

If a muslim is elected as President... it is not just homosexuals that will be targeted.

Your post sort of makes this statement Irrelevant, doesn't it?

Quote:
" BTW, I found a few verses (?) not sure if that is the right term, that references MAKR of Allah. I can not find a reasonable or consistent use of that term in the Koran... could you ask your Palestinian friend what that word means?"

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Pennylynn wrote:

Ask one of those who love muslims about the phase MAKR/MAKIR of Allah.
As written in the Koran, it means that Allah (the god they worship) is the 'best deceiver'. In the bible (old and new), who is described as the deceiver?

If a muslim is elected as President... it is not just homosexuals that will be targeted.

All infidels. But the gay's are the easiest mark.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Well, friend, I waited for a response from you... and I did not get one. So, I asked several muslims that live in the DC area the definition of MAKR as they understood it...they gave me a definition and sources; Edward William Lane's Arabic-English Lexicon, Hans Wehr dictionary, and several internet. Keep in mind, I asked you the question hours ago, and I have one of those inquisitive minds that will not let me rest until I find a response. What did you expect me to do? You did not even acknowledge that I had asked you, so I assumed that either you did not know or your palestinian friend did not know, so I had to ask elsewhere.

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Your post sort of makes this statement Irrelevant, doesn't it?

Quote:
" BTW, I found a few verses (?) not sure if that is the right term, that references MAKR of Allah. I can not find a reasonable or consistent use of that term in the Koran... could you ask your Palestinian friend what that word means?"

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Pennylynn wrote:

Well, friend, I waited for a response from you... ... (show quote)

I Apologize for not living my life on your timeframe... It was inconsiderate of me..

My Palestinian friend defines it as to plot or conspire... My Yemeni friend says it is a form of guile... They both agree the word deception is a possible t***slation...

Both would like you to know the argument concerning whether or not Jews are apes or swine is i***tic... Jews can convert to Islam... Apes and swine obviously cannot... The verses are metaphorical... They know that there are Muslims who interpret it differently... There are people all over the world who misinterpret holy texts to suit their hatred...

They also take offense to the suggestion that they worship Satan...
They wonder... Do you consider Jesus to be God? If not, is it your contention that all christians worship a false God? (a deceiver if you will)

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Thank you for the apology and the response.

Your "friends" confirmed what my acquaintances told me earlier today. Of course they had more to say, but nothing to do with my request to you, that is what the meaning of the word MAKR.

I was sure, and this was also confirmed in my earlier conversation, that the Koran is considered a literal holy book, that each word was given to the archangel Gabriel by Allah, who then gave it to Mohammad, who then wrote it down for perfect guidance on how to live... Is that incorrect? If it is not, and contains simile, metaphor, hyperbole, metonymy, synecdoche, etc… how do muslims sort it out? I mean, Mohammad is dead, and according to the Islam he was the final prophet in the monotheistic Abrahamic religion.... so does Hassan Nasrallah, Ba'd bin Abdallah Al-Ajameh Al-Ghamidi, Al-Sudayyis, and so on have the authority to define the necessary metonymy?

Now a challenge, where did I say that muslims, regardless of place of birth, worship satan? I asked who in the bible is the "deceiver" ..... a question. It had nothing to do with a religion that was established some 600 years after the murder of Jesus.... So, the bible is not dependent on Islam, but Islam is dependent on the Torah.

Interesting... you ask a question, was Jesus G*d... in my opinion, no. Are Christians worshiping a "false G*d", again no. It is, from my understanding, and I hope some of our Christians will weigh in on this and correct me if I am wrong, but Christians believe that G*d has 3 components... G*d the Father, G*d the Son, and G*d the Holy Ghost. The "deceiver" that appears in the Bible is a separate entity. In the Old Testament, he appears in Job as a messenger between humans and G*d, who was given permission to "test" Job. In Genesis he was already in the Garden and deceived Eve. However, he did not gain the name and position until you reach the New Testament as the advisory of G*d. So, given the text in which he appears, he can not be G*d, Jesus, or the Holy Ghost. Indeed, he was a messenger (often called an angel) who was removed from Heaven and from the sight of G*d. At no point in the Bible was G*d, Jesus, or the Holy Ghost described by prophets as a "deceiver." However, the Mohammad does say that Allah is the master "deceiver"... or are you and your friends saying this is another example of a synecdoche? If so, then I wonder how much more of the Koran has to be taken as metaphor or hyperbole.

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

I Apologize for not living my life on your timefra... (show quote)

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Pennylynn wrote:

Thank you for the apology and the response.

Your "friends" confirmed what my acquaintances told me earlier today. Of course they had more to say, but nothing to do with my request to you, that is what the meaning of the word MAKR.

I was sure, and this was also confirmed in my earlier conversation, that the Koran is considered a literal holy book, that each word was given to the archangel Gabriel by Allah, who then gave it to Mohammad, who then wrote it down for perfect guidance on how to live... Is that incorrect? If it is not, and contains simile, metaphor, hyperbole, metonymy, synecdoche, etc… how do muslims sort it out? I mean, Mohammad is dead, and according to the Islam he was the final prophet in the monotheistic Abrahamic religion.... so does Hassan Nasrallah, Ba'd bin Abdallah Al-Ajameh Al-Ghamidi, Al-Sudayyis, and so on have the authority to define the necessary metonymy?

Now a challenge, where did I say that muslims, regardless of place of birth, worship satan? I asked who in the bible is the "deceiver" ..... a question. It had nothing to do with a religion that was established some 600 years after the murder of Jesus.... So, the bible is not dependent on Islam, but Islam is dependent on the Torah.

Interesting... you ask a question, was Jesus G*d... in my opinion, no. Are Christians worshiping a "false G*d", again no. It is, from my understanding, and I hope some of our Christians will weigh in on this and correct me if I am wrong, but Christians believe that G*d has 3 components... G*d the Father, G*d the Son, and G*d the Holy Ghost. The "deceiver" that appears in the Bible is a separate entity. In the Old Testament, he appears in Job as a messenger between humans and G*d, who was given permission to "test" Job. In Genesis he was already in the Garden and deceived Eve. However, he did not gain the name and position until you reach the New Testament as the advisory of G*d. So, given the text in which he appears, he can not be G*d, Jesus, or the Holy Ghost. Indeed, he was a messenger (often called an angel) who was removed from Heaven and from the sight of G*d. At no point in the Bible was G*d, Jesus, or the Holy Ghost described by prophets as a "deceiver." However, the Mohammad does say that Allah is the master "deceiver"... or are you and your friends saying this is another example of a synecdoche? If so, then I wonder how much more of the Koran has to be taken as metaphor or hyperbole.

Thank you for the apology and the response. br ... (show quote)

(my understanding)
Mohammed did not write the Koran...
He was illiterate...
It was written by his followers after his death..
He had no say as to the final version...
This is one of my contentions with my Muslim friends as to the absoluteness of the koran's word...

I apologize if I mistook your remark about Allah as being Satan... My mistake...

By your own words Allah is a 'deceiver', not the 'Deceiver' spoken of in the Bible...

My friends and I are not saying anything....
You asked a question... I provided an answer...

Fair turn around...
When speaking of Christians why do you Spell God as G*d?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Pennylynn wrote:

Thank you for the apology and the response.

Your "friends" confirmed what my acquaintances told me earlier today. Of course they had more to say, but nothing to do with my request to you, that is what the meaning of the word MAKR.

I was sure, and this was also confirmed in my earlier conversation, that the Koran is considered a literal holy book, that each word was given to the archangel Gabriel by Allah, who then gave it to Mohammad, who then wrote it down for perfect guidance on how to live... Is that incorrect? If it is not, and contains simile, metaphor, hyperbole, metonymy, synecdoche, etc… how do muslims sort it out? I mean, Mohammad is dead, and according to the Islam he was the final prophet in the monotheistic Abrahamic religion.... so does Hassan Nasrallah, Ba'd bin Abdallah Al-Ajameh Al-Ghamidi, Al-Sudayyis, and so on have the authority to define the necessary metonymy?

Now a challenge, where did I say that muslims, regardless of place of birth, worship satan? I asked who in the bible is the "deceiver" ..... a question. It had nothing to do with a religion that was established some 600 years after the murder of Jesus.... So, the bible is not dependent on Islam, but Islam is dependent on the Torah.

Interesting... you ask a question, was Jesus G*d... in my opinion, no. Are Christians worshiping a "false G*d", again no. It is, from my understanding, and I hope some of our Christians will weigh in on this and correct me if I am wrong, but Christians believe that G*d has 3 components... G*d the Father, G*d the Son, and G*d the Holy Ghost. The "deceiver" that appears in the Bible is a separate entity. In the Old Testament, he appears in Job as a messenger between humans and G*d, who was given permission to "test" Job. In Genesis he was already in the Garden and deceived Eve. However, he did not gain the name and position until you reach the New Testament as the advisory of G*d. So, given the text in which he appears, he can not be G*d, Jesus, or the Holy Ghost. Indeed, he was a messenger (often called an angel) who was removed from Heaven and from the sight of G*d. At no point in the Bible was G*d, Jesus, or the Holy Ghost described by prophets as a "deceiver." However, the Mohammad does say that Allah is the master "deceiver"... or are you and your friends saying this is another example of a synecdoche? If so, then I wonder how much more of the Koran has to be taken as metaphor or hyperbole.

Thank you for the apology and the response. br ... (show quote)

My personal opinion is that much of the Koran (and the Bible) should be taken as metaphor and hyperbole...

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Your point is well taken. And after deeper research I find 'fables' on when and who compiled the work into one book. Like our bible, the Tanakh, the Koran was a vast collection of writings based on oral teachings. So, we take it on 'faith' that The Book is as close to possible in being complete and correct. This may hold true with muslims, they have 'faith' that the Koran is accurate and unmodified. The difference, as I can see, there is archaeological findings that support the 'stories' in the Tanakh.... as it contains names, dates, and important or significant events as well as ethical or behavioral expectations. But, the Koran seems, as far as I have read, does not deal with historical information, but rather on 'behavioral' anticipations. I may be very wrong and I still have to finish reading the copy I got yesterday, making this view subject to modification.

As for as the term, the deceiver or a deceiver.... I was not implying that Allah was the one which many has come to know as the devil or satan from either the Old or New Testament. If that was your understanding when I asked the meaning of the word, you perceived my intentions wrongly. I simply wanted a 'common' understanding of the term from someone who speaks the language... hopefully a 'common' understanding that is unmodified by political or religious bias.

Spelling.... I have explained why I write G*d with an asterisk until I am tired of explaining. So, let me shorten my ordinarily long response by saying, my Poppa taught me to omit the 'o.'

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

(my understanding) br Mohammed did not write the K... (show quote)

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Pennylynn wrote:

Your point is well taken. And after deeper resear... (show quote)

Your post from before....

Quote:
"Ask one of those who love muslims about the phase MAKR/MAKIR of Allah.
As written in the Koran, it means that Allah (the god they worship) is the 'best deceiver'. In the bible (old and new), who is described as the deceiver? "

Could you clarrify what you were implying?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Pennylynn wrote:

Your point is well taken. And after deeper resear... (show quote)

I agree with your assessment of the Koran... And the Tanakh...
Is this the first time you have read the Koran?

Fair enough explanation of your spelling of G*d...

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Your post from before....

Quote:
"Ask one of those who love muslims about the phase MAKR/MAKIR of Allah.
As written in the Koran, it means that Allah (the god they worship) is the 'best deceiver'. In the bible (old and new), who is described as the deceiver? "

Could you clarrify what you were implying?

The Makr/Makir does t***slate; "Allah the Best deceiver,".... does it not?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

byronglimish wrote:

The Makr/Makir does t***slate; "Allah the Best deceiver,".... does it not?

It is one t***slation...
As I said in an earlier post on the thread..

There is a difference between being a deceiver and being 'the Deceiver'...Agreed?

Muslims believe that God has 99 namea....