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The Lost Cause
Jan 16, 2019 18:51:55   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
From Wikipedia: "The Lost Cause of the Confederacy, or simply the Lost Cause, is an American historical negationist ideology that holds that, despite losing the American Civil War, the cause of the Confederacy was a just and heroic one. The ideology endorses the supposed virtues of the antebellum South, viewing the war as a struggle primarily for the Southern way of life or 'states' rights' in the face of overwhelming 'Northern aggression'. At the same time, the Lost Cause minimizes or denies outright the central role of s***ery in the outbreak of the war."

http://civil-war-journeys.org/the_lost_cause.htm

The Lost Cause is the name commonly given to a literary and intellectual movement that sought to reconcile the traditional Southern white society to the defeat of the Confederate States of America in the Civil War. White Southerners sought consolation in attributing their loss to factors beyond their control and to betrayals of their heroes and cause. Those who contributed to the movement tended to portray the Confederacy's cause as noble and most of the Confederacy's leaders as exemplars of old-fashioned chivalry, defeated by the Union armies not through superior military sk**l, but by overwhelming force. They also tended to condemn Reconstruction.

The term Lost Cause first appeared in the title of an 1866 book by the historian Edward A. Pollard, The Lost Cause: A New Southern History of the War of the Confederates. However, it was the articles written for the Southern Historical Society by Lt. Gen. Jubal A. Early in the 1870s that established the Lost Cause as a long-lasting literary and cultural phenomenon.

Early's original inspiration for his views may have come from General Robert E. Lee. In his farewell order to the Army of Northern Virginia, Lee spoke of the "overwhelming resources and numbers" that the Confederate army fought against.

The Lost Cause theme was taken up by memorial associations such as the United Confederate Veterans and the United Daughters of the Confederacy. The Lost Cause helped Southerners to cope with the social, political, and economic changes after the Civil War especially in the oppressive Reconstruction era.

Some of the main tenets of the Lost Cause movement were that:

Confederate generals such as Lee and Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson represented the virtues of Southern nobility. This nobility was contrast most significantly in comparisons between U.S. Grant and Lee. The Northern generals, were characterized as men with low moral standards who engaged in vicious campaigns against Southern civilians such as Sherman's March to the Sea and Philip Sheridan's burning of the Shenandoah Valley in the Valley Campaigns of 1864.

Losses on the battlefield were inevitable and were blamed on Northern superiority in resources and manpower.

Losses were also the result of betrayal and incompetence on the part of certain subordinates of General Lee, such as General James Longstreet. Longstreet was the object of blame because of his association with Grant, conversion to the Republican Party, and other actions during Reconstruction.

While states' rights was not emphasized in the declarations of secession, the Lost Cause focused on the defense of states' rights, rather than preservation of s***ery as the primary cause that led eleven Southern states to secede.

Secession was seen as a justifiable constitutional response to Northern cultural and economic aggressions against the Southern way of life.

S***ery was fictionally presented as a benign institution, and the s***es were treated well and cared for and loyal and faithful to their benevolent masters.

The most powerful images and symbols of the Lost Cause were Robert E. Lee and Pickett's Charge.

Today, historians are reviewing and reinterpreting both Lee and other aspects of the Lost Cause.

(See above link for complete article)

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Jan 16, 2019 19:00:12   #
Sicilianthing
 
slatten49 wrote:
From Wikipedia: "The Lost Cause of the Confederacy, or simply the Lost Cause, is an American historical negationist ideology that holds that, despite losing the American Civil War, the cause of the Confederacy was a just and heroic one. The ideology endorses the supposed virtues of the antebellum South, viewing the war as a struggle primarily for the Southern way of life or 'states' rights' in the face of overwhelming 'Northern aggression'. At the same time, the Lost Cause minimizes or denies outright the central role of s***ery in the outbreak of the war."

http://civil-war-journeys.org/the_lost_cause.htm

The Lost Cause is the name commonly given to a literary and intellectual movement that sought to reconcile the traditional Southern white society to the defeat of the Confederate States of America in the Civil War. White Southerners sought consolation in attributing their loss to factors beyond their control and to betrayals of their heroes and cause. Those who contributed to the movement tended to portray the Confederacy's cause as noble and most of the Confederacy's leaders as exemplars of old-fashioned chivalry, defeated by the Union armies not through superior military sk**l, but by overwhelming force. They also tended to condemn Reconstruction.

The term Lost Cause first appeared in the title of an 1866 book by the historian Edward A. Pollard, The Lost Cause: A New Southern History of the War of the Confederates. However, it was the articles written for the Southern Historical Society by Lt. Gen. Jubal A. Early in the 1870s that established the Lost Cause as a long-lasting literary and cultural phenomenon.

Early's original inspiration for his views may have come from General Robert E. Lee. In his farewell order to the Army of Northern Virginia, Lee spoke of the "overwhelming resources and numbers" that the Confederate army fought against.

The Lost Cause theme was taken up by memorial associations such as the United Confederate Veterans and the United Daughters of the Confederacy. The Lost Cause helped Southerners to cope with the social, political, and economic changes after the Civil War especially in the oppressive Reconstruction era.

Some of the main tenets of the Lost Cause movement were that:

Confederate generals such as Lee and Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson represented the virtues of Southern nobility. This nobility was contrast most significantly in comparisons between U.S. Grant and Lee. The Northern generals, were characterized as men with low moral standards who engaged in vicious campaigns against Southern civilians such as Sherman's March to the Sea and Philip Sheridan's burning of the Shenandoah Valley in the Valley Campaigns of 1864.

Losses on the battlefield were inevitable and were blamed on Northern superiority in resources and manpower.

Losses were also the result of betrayal and incompetence on the part of certain subordinates of General Lee, such as General James Longstreet. Longstreet was the object of blame because of his association with Grant, conversion to the Republican Party, and other actions during Reconstruction.

While states' rights was not emphasized in the declarations of secession, the Lost Cause focused on the defense of states' rights, rather than preservation of s***ery as the primary cause that led eleven Southern states to secede.

Secession was seen as a justifiable constitutional response to Northern cultural and economic aggressions against the Southern way of life.

S***ery was fictionally presented as a benign institution, and the s***es were treated well and cared for and loyal and faithful to their benevolent masters.

The most powerful images and symbols of the Lost Cause were Robert E. Lee and Pickett's Charge.

Today, historians are reviewing and reinterpreting both Lee and other aspects of the Lost Cause.

(See above link for complete article)
From Wikipedia: "The Lost Cause of the Confe... (show quote)


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What would you like to see happen ?

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Jan 16, 2019 19:33:33   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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What would you like to see happen ?

I would like to see the end of massive "historical negationism or denialism as an illegitimate distortion of the historical record. It is often imprecisely or intentionally incorrectly referred to as historical revisionism, but that term also denotes a legitimate academic pursuit of re-interpretation of the historical record and questioning the accepted views."

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Jan 16, 2019 19:47:25   #
Sicilianthing
 
slatten49 wrote:
I would like to see the end of massive "historical negationism or denialism as an illegitimate distortion of the historical record. It is often imprecisely or intentionally incorrectly referred to as historical revisionism, but that term also denotes a legitimate academic pursuit of re-interpretation of the historical record and questioning the accepted views."


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That makes Sense Slatten and I understand, you’re more the expert in that field than I and but we all have a serious responsibility to make sure it’s not t***sformed away from the t***h.

Now then, that places me in a position to question who actually wrote things right and wrong and who rewrote them for the history books etc?

You know how we learned and now look at where it’s at today.

Encroachments by Islam also need to be removed from any and all Academia on our land.

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Jan 16, 2019 20:10:10   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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That makes Sense Slatten and I understand, you’re more the expert in that field than I and but we all have a serious responsibility to make sure it’s not t***sformed away from the t***h.

Now then, that places me in a position to question who actually wrote things right and wrong and who rewrote them for the history books etc?

You know how we learned and now look at where it’s at today.

Encroachments by Islam also need to be removed from any and all Academia on our land.
>>> br br That makes Sense Slatten and I... (show quote)

Well, Sici, speaking to the article above, here's a link that speaks to confronting the facts regarding s***ery and revealing The Lost Cause, but it's a fairly long read....

https://www.nps.gov/resources/story.htm%3Fid%3D217

Excerpt from the writing: "This war was not about tariffs or differences in economic systems or even about state's rights, except for the right of southern states to protect s***ery."

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Jan 16, 2019 20:15:06   #
Sicilianthing
 
slatten49 wrote:
Well, Sici, speaking to the article above, here's a link that speaks to confronting the facts regarding s***ery and revealing The Lost Cause, but it's a fairly long read....

https://www.nps.gov/resources/story.htm%3Fid%3D217


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Ok I now I need more time to go through all of this too... very well I’ll get back to you when I’m done.
Why is this on a National Parks Service site ?

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Jan 16, 2019 20:19:38   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Ok I now I need more time to go through all of this too... very well I’ll get back to you when I’m done.
Why is this on a National Parks Service site ?


Below the article was this: "This essay is taken from 'The Civil War Remembered', published by the National Park Service and Eastern National.

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Jan 16, 2019 20:21:05   #
Sicilianthing
 
slatten49 wrote:
I can only guess, but I'm thinking it might come from the Smithsonian.


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Ok

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Jan 17, 2019 00:00:40   #
rumitoid
 
slatten49 wrote:
From Wikipedia: "The Lost Cause of the Confederacy, or simply the Lost Cause, is an American historical negationist ideology that holds that, despite losing the American Civil War, the cause of the Confederacy was a just and heroic one. The ideology endorses the supposed virtues of the antebellum South, viewing the war as a struggle primarily for the Southern way of life or 'states' rights' in the face of overwhelming 'Northern aggression'. At the same time, the Lost Cause minimizes or denies outright the central role of s***ery in the outbreak of the war."

http://civil-war-journeys.org/the_lost_cause.htm

The Lost Cause is the name commonly given to a literary and intellectual movement that sought to reconcile the traditional Southern white society to the defeat of the Confederate States of America in the Civil War. White Southerners sought consolation in attributing their loss to factors beyond their control and to betrayals of their heroes and cause. Those who contributed to the movement tended to portray the Confederacy's cause as noble and most of the Confederacy's leaders as exemplars of old-fashioned chivalry, defeated by the Union armies not through superior military sk**l, but by overwhelming force. They also tended to condemn Reconstruction.

The term Lost Cause first appeared in the title of an 1866 book by the historian Edward A. Pollard, The Lost Cause: A New Southern History of the War of the Confederates. However, it was the articles written for the Southern Historical Society by Lt. Gen. Jubal A. Early in the 1870s that established the Lost Cause as a long-lasting literary and cultural phenomenon.

Early's original inspiration for his views may have come from General Robert E. Lee. In his farewell order to the Army of Northern Virginia, Lee spoke of the "overwhelming resources and numbers" that the Confederate army fought against.

The Lost Cause theme was taken up by memorial associations such as the United Confederate Veterans and the United Daughters of the Confederacy. The Lost Cause helped Southerners to cope with the social, political, and economic changes after the Civil War especially in the oppressive Reconstruction era.

Some of the main tenets of the Lost Cause movement were that:

Confederate generals such as Lee and Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson represented the virtues of Southern nobility. This nobility was contrast most significantly in comparisons between U.S. Grant and Lee. The Northern generals, were characterized as men with low moral standards who engaged in vicious campaigns against Southern civilians such as Sherman's March to the Sea and Philip Sheridan's burning of the Shenandoah Valley in the Valley Campaigns of 1864.

Losses on the battlefield were inevitable and were blamed on Northern superiority in resources and manpower.

Losses were also the result of betrayal and incompetence on the part of certain subordinates of General Lee, such as General James Longstreet. Longstreet was the object of blame because of his association with Grant, conversion to the Republican Party, and other actions during Reconstruction.

While states' rights was not emphasized in the declarations of secession, the Lost Cause focused on the defense of states' rights, rather than preservation of s***ery as the primary cause that led eleven Southern states to secede.

Secession was seen as a justifiable constitutional response to Northern cultural and economic aggressions against the Southern way of life.

S***ery was fictionally presented as a benign institution, and the s***es were treated well and cared for and loyal and faithful to their benevolent masters.

The most powerful images and symbols of the Lost Cause were Robert E. Lee and Pickett's Charge.

Today, historians are reviewing and reinterpreting both Lee and other aspects of the Lost Cause.

(See above link for complete article)
From Wikipedia: "The Lost Cause of the Confe... (show quote)


Excellent piece, Slat, thank you. I still can't get why some people do not prefer the t***h, no matter what the cost. Incomprehensible.

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Jan 17, 2019 10:47:18   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
rumitoid wrote:
Excellent piece, Slat, thank you. I still can't get why some people do not prefer the t***h, no matter what the cost. Incomprehensible.

"The t***h does not change according to our ability to stomach it." [quote/MaryFlanneryO'Connor]

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Jan 17, 2019 14:11:09   #
Sicilianthing
 
slatten49 wrote:
Well, Sici, speaking to the article above, here's a link that speaks to confronting the facts regarding s***ery and revealing The Lost Cause, but it's a fairly long read....

https://www.nps.gov/resources/story.htm%3Fid%3D217

Excerpt from the writing: "This war was not about tariffs or differences in economic systems or even about state's rights, except for the right of southern states to protect s***ery."


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Wow !

I’ve never read that one before or that compilation.
Thank You.

For some reason I’m sad again about the Dark past of our evolution here.

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Jan 17, 2019 14:19:24   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Wow !

I’ve never read that one before or that compilation.
Thank You.

For some reason I’m sad again about the Dark past of our evolution here.

I have another on the subject, if interested...

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-i-learned-about-cult-lost-cause-180968426/

Excerpt from the above: "Still to this day, many I know in Louisiana believe the Civil War was more about states’ rights than preserving s***ery. Even leaders at the highest levels of our national government try to dispute the cause of the Civil War."

Also...… https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Lost_Cause_The

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Jan 17, 2019 14:24:37   #
Sicilianthing
 
slatten49 wrote:
I have another on the subject, if interested...

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-i-learned-about-cult-lost-cause-180968426/

Excerpt from the above: "Still to this day, many I know in Louisiana believe the Civil War was more about states’ rights than preserving s***ery. Even leaders at the highest levels of our national government try to dispute the cause of the Civil War."


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Sure, always interested in learning.
I will read this one tonight.

Thank You.

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Jan 24, 2019 10:44:23   #
Sicilianthing
 
slatten49 wrote:
I have another on the subject, if interested...

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-i-learned-about-cult-lost-cause-180968426/

Excerpt from the above: "Still to this day, many I know in Louisiana believe the Civil War was more about states’ rights than preserving s***ery. Even leaders at the highest levels of our national government try to dispute the cause of the Civil War."

Also...… https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Lost_Cause_The


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Very interesting, I know of some of this and them, but regardless I liked all the monuments, but maybe I’m wrong?

Do they
Did they really need to come down ?

In this camp we should push to remove all the portraits of past Presidents in our institutions too since they all turned t*****rs?

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