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Jan 12, 2019 14:38:33   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Explain how a virtual wall would decrease i*****l i*********n across the southern border?


It would prevent a lot of virtual immigrants from sneaking in? How would you award or detract game points on this one? More importantly, how would you design the joystick to play this game?

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Jan 12, 2019 15:12:06   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
JoyV wrote:
The last point is a fabrication. No ranches are split. Mexico does not allow any land to be owned by non Mexican citizens.


Yes, ranches are/will be split.

This is a long read but very interesting and informative about a helicopter trip along the entire US/Mexico border from the mouth of the Rio Grande where it empties into the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean. It think it will enlighten anyone who reads it.

http://www.usatoday.com/border-wall/story/flight-over-entire-us-mexico-border-fence/605855001/

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Jan 12, 2019 15:16:19   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
4430 wrote:
Can't help but think the texastribune is just another anti Trump paper !


They are spouting different story than this one ! https://youtu.be/sxhhjfiSy2Y


Irregardless of the impracticality, difficulty and expense of a wall, if someone is against it they are anti-trumpy, eh? BULLS**T! Why don't you try being realistic on this issue and forget about partisanship?

Read this:

http://www.usatoday.com/border-wall/story/flight-over-entire-us-mexico-border-fence/605855001/

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Jan 12, 2019 15:18:08   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
What a bunch of horse manure. To think that engineers would not adapt the wall to the terrain is an i***tic thing to say. In some areas it could merely be steels barriers. It does not have to be a brick wall in it's entirety. Some areas may need very little structure at all.

The drones carrying people over the wall is a stupid thing to say. If if ever becomes feasible it will still be expensive. The wall's job is not to stop everyone, just most everyone. Smugglers using drones would not be cost effective for smuggling humans in bulk.

You people always make the argument that the wall has to be 100 % to be worth it. That is false.
What a bunch of horse manure. To think that engine... (show quote)


Read this and get back to me:

http://www.usatoday.com/border-wall/story/flight-over-entire-us-mexico-border-fence/605855001/

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Jan 12, 2019 15:32:37   #
maryjane
 
ACP45 wrote:
The best rationale in support of President Trump's position on building a wall to halt i*****l i*********n is explained in this article published on ZeroHedge: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-10/israel-vs-america-capita-cost-border-wall-construction

For those who do not want to take the time to read it, I will summarize the key take-aways:

1) A Wall is effective. -
"The wall Netenyahu is referring to is the Israel-Egypt barrier on the southern border, which began construction in November 2010 and was completed in December 2013. The 152-mile long barrier was built at the urging of Netenyahu to curb an influx of i*****l i*******ts and terrorists from African nations.

Even left-leaning Politifact was forced to admit it worked…

Johnson said Israel cut its i*****l i*********n rate by “99 percent” by constructing a 143-mile fence along its southern border.

Israeli government data support Johnson’s statement. Johnson’s statement is accurate, but needs additional information. We rate it Mostly True."

2) The "Wall is too Costly" - or, "We can't Afford It" -
This one is easy. Israel takes it's security seriously. Many of America's politicians do not. Let's look at the following:

"Clearly, the very tiny country of Israel dev**es an incredible amount of resources to border fencing and security, with an estimated 484 miles of completed walls/fencing and more under construction. Conversely, the US claims to have 580 miles of “barriers” in place already. Israel’s heavy usage of border walls is even more astounding when its size and GDP are considered relative to the US:

Israel

Population (2017 est): 8.7 million

GDP (2017): $350.9 billion (USD)

GDP per capita: $40,333 (USD)

The US

Population (2017 est): 325.7 million

GDP (2017): $19.39 trillion ($19,390 billion USD)

GDP per capita: $59,533 (USD)

Israel’s population is 2.7% of the US population, and its annual GDP is 1.8% that of US GDP. In spite of Israel’s tiny size, population and GDP, the total mileage of completed barriers in the country is just under 25% that of the entire length of the 1,954-mile US-Mexico border.

Putting it into per capita terms, each Israeli citizen is “responsible” for the construction of about 3.5 inches of wall. Conversely, each US citizen is “responsible” for the construction of 0.11 inches of “barrier” – which as Peter Skerry articulated in in 2009, long before Trump or his wall – has been poorly constructed in many areas, often intentionally so."

The article goes on to say, "The opposition to Trump’s border wall ultimately boils down to the argument “it’s a waste of money”. But the same politicians so vociferously opposing a $5.7 billion dollar wall funding request complained, but ultimately funded George W. Bush‘s Iraq war request – despite its $54.4 billion budget for 2003 alone (over nine times Trump’s wall request). That price tag has since ballooned well into the trillions – but Democrats refused to shut the government to prevent it.

Democrats have also refused to shut the government over funding for the US Navy’s wasteful aircraft carrier spending. The last completed aircraft carrier, the USS George W. Bush (CVN-77), was commissioned in 2009 at a cost of $6.2 billion (more than Trump’s wall funding request), and underwent its first deployment in June 2011.

The USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78) was commissioned in 2017 at a cost of $17.5 billion (including $4.7 billion in R&D for the new carrier class) – and will still require more funding to fix lingering issues with ship engines and EMALS catapults that stilldon’t work properly – before it can undergo its first deployment…

…but that still hasn’t caused Pelosi or Schumer to shut the government down to object to this waste of taxpayer dollars.

In fact, the USS John F. Kennedy (CVN-79) continues to be built, with no contractors or military personnel fired or disciplined, despite not being scheduled to enter service until 2022. And as noted above by Anthony Capaccio, the future USS Enterprise (CVN-80) just began construction with an estimated cost of $12.6 billion, and the unnamed CVN-81 at an estimated price tag of $15 billion was recently approved by the Navy – without any objection from Democrats."

CONCLUSION:

Many Americans don’t mind this government shutdown, and applaud Trump for drawing a line in the sand for what amounts to a rather small funding request in the overall scheme of things. However, “the resistance” is doing this to all of us, as they are so keen on not giving Trump a win, they will risk shutting the government down for what could be months.

If government money is going to be wasted anyway, why not spend it on a border wall – which the Israelis have a decades-long track record as a worthwhile investment?
The best rationale in support of President Trump's... (show quote)


Also, let's not forget the billions of USA dollars Congress gives to foreign nations every year; let's not forget that Congress recently gave over $10 BILLION to Mexico (half) and the 3 CA nations. The CA nations are to use the $ to imptove their economy so their people will not come to the US. As if!! Obviously, Mexico, once again, manipulated the US over the caravan, getting $5 billion for itself for agreeing to keep thr caravan people there until their asylum clsims are heard by US authorities (essentially a bribe), but Mexico also arranged free US money for its .CA buddies. In the current on-going democrat spending bills, they are allocating money where it is NEITHER needed nor requested and in several instances much much more than was requested. Bottom line here is Congress is ALWAYS quite willing to spend money even if it must be borrowed first, but today, unwilling to spend any money for the president's proposals, even if the proposal is good for the country and citizens.

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Jan 12, 2019 15:51:33   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
buffalo wrote:
Irregardless of the impracticality, difficulty and expense of a wall, if someone is against it they are anti-trumpy, eh? BULLS**T! Why don't you try being realistic on this issue and forget about partisanship?

Read this:

http://www.usatoday.com/border-wall/story/flight-over-entire-us-mexico-border-fence/605855001/


The only barriers needed are the ones near populated areas which would act like a funnel guiding migrants toward points of legal entry. Obviously many areas are just too remote and can be monitored by other means. Down along the border rd 17, I think it is, in the Chiwawa, desert ( Yes, I misspelled it. LOL!) a walll would be very impractical and would interfere with the locals wheree in some places Mexican kids live on the Mexico side but are brought over to the American side for school and other things; a place where medical provideres only come in for a few days every month or so. So yes, not the entire length. That would be a 100billion dollar project easily.

But yes, those against it ARE anti-Trump, no if's, and's or but's about it. All of these dem's who are opposed to it actually campaigned on border security and even v**ed for a barrier /wall. In all honesty, it is as if Trump took up the cause from the dem's, who could not get it done, and decided that he could get it done. He ran on it. He won on it. Obviously it is a very popular thing with the populous.

Obama even said we have a humanitarian crisis at the border, but CNN says there is no crisis????

Those who oppose this part of immigration reform and support, ARE NOTHING BUT ANTI-TRUMP PHONEY'S!!!!!

Let me repeat that. This is being opposed only because Trump wants it done. ONLY BECAUSE TRUMP WANTS IT DONE.

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Jan 12, 2019 16:19:02   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
buffalo wrote:
Irregardless of the impracticality, difficulty and expense of a wall, if someone is against it they are anti-trumpy, eh? BULLS**T! Why don't you try being realistic on this issue and forget about partisanship?

Read this:

http://www.usatoday.com/border-wall/story/flight-over-entire-us-mexico-border-fence/605855001/


And you use usatoday for your info !

Trump has already said that there are places the wall couldn't be built and you use usatoday for your info !

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Jan 12, 2019 17:09:23   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
The only barriers needed are the ones near populated areas which would act like a funnel guiding migrants toward points of legal entry. Obviously many areas are just too remote and can be monitored by other means. Down along the border rd 17, I think it is, in the Chiwawa, desert ( Yes, I misspelled it. LOL!) a walll would be very impractical and would interfere with the locals wheree in some places Mexican kids live on the Mexico side but are brought over to the American side for school and other things; a place where medical provideres only come in for a few days every month or so. So yes, not the entire length. That would be a 100billion dollar project easily.

But yes, those against it ARE anti-Trump, no if's, and's or but's about it. All of these dem's who are opposed to it actually campaigned on border security and even v**ed for a barrier /wall. In all honesty, it is as if Trump took up the cause from the dem's, who could not get it done, and decided that he could get it done. He ran on it. He won on it. Obviously it is a very popular thing with the populous.

Obama even said we have a humanitarian crisis at the border, but CNN says there is no crisis????

Those who oppose this part of immigration reform and support, ARE NOTHING BUT ANTI-TRUMP PHONEY'S!!!!!

Let me repeat that. This is being opposed only because Trump wants it done. ONLY BECAUSE TRUMP WANTS IT DONE.
The only barriers needed are the ones near populat... (show quote)


You obviously did not read the entire article, if any at all. But more importantly, you missed my point. One is not necessarily anti-trump in opposing an impractical, unworkable, impossible, waste of taxpayer dollars solution to the invasion of the US by i******s, criminals and terrorists. Walls in certain places would just push the invaders to different areas as has actually happened where a wall/fence/barrier already exists. Walls/fences/barriers in other areas, like along the Rio Grande in Southern Texas would be destroyed by a river subject to flooding, changing directions, etc. Walls/fences/barriers in certain other places would mean cutting farmers, ranchers and wildlife access to the river and even cutting parcels of land in two. In places where a wall/fence barrier is feasible the cost and time to aquire the necessary land will be prohibitive. Proof of this is the fact the out of 360 cases filed against the government for land grabbing along the border years ago, 85 have still not been settled.

http://www.agweb.com/article/trumps-border-wall-would-split-texas-ranch-in-two/

http://www.theodysseyonline.com/why-the-border-wall-wont-work

http://www.rollcall.com/news/policy/appropriators-dont-mess-texas-landowners-border-wall

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/01/unfinished-us-mexico-border-wall-texas-secure-fence-act

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2012/10/15/landowners-along-u-s-mexico-border-claim-govt-is-abusing-its-power-to-take-land-at-unfair-prices

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Jan 12, 2019 17:38:04   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
4430 wrote:
And you use usatoday for your info !

Trump has already said that there are places the wall couldn't be built and you use usatoday for your info !


Gddamn it, 4430! The article merely describes what the author saw in a helicopter trip along the 2000 mile US/Mexico border and the logistics of a wall/fence/barrier along it. I found it very interesting. There are places that a proposed wall will not be practical either. Have you ever seen the damage and devastation a flooding, raging river can do. The wall cannot be built in the flood plain of the Rio Grande or it will be destroyed and cause the destruction of much property. A 4 inch downpour can cause massive flooding in places along the Rio Grande. I have seen it in Del Rio. Anything that further obstructs the water flow will be destroyed while backing up even more water. Get real, man!

IF anything in the article was not true then for God's sake prove it! All you and bad booby can do is dis a source you disagree with and offer no factual proof of YOUR opinion. Because YOU and he base YOUR opinions on your right or left ideologies.

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Jan 12, 2019 18:15:45   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
buffalo wrote:
You obviously did not read the entire article, if any at all. But more importantly, you missed my point. One is not necessarily anti-trump in opposing an impractical, unworkable, impossible, waste of taxpayer dollars solution to the invasion of the US by i******s, criminals and terrorists. Walls in certain places would just push the invaders to different areas as has actually happened where a wall/fence/barrier already exists. Walls/fences/barriers in other areas, like along the Rio Grande in Southern Texas would be destroyed by a river subject to flooding, changing directions, etc. Walls/fences/barriers in certain other places would mean cutting farmers, ranchers and wildlife access to the river and even cutting parcels of land in two. In places where a wall/fence barrier is feasible the cost and time to aquire the necessary land will be prohibitive. Proof of this is the fact the out of 360 cases filed against the government for land grabbing along the border years ago, 85 have still not been settled.

http://www.agweb.com/article/trumps-border-wall-would-split-texas-ranch-in-two/

http://www.theodysseyonline.com/why-the-border-wall-wont-work

http://www.rollcall.com/news/policy/appropriators-dont-mess-texas-landowners-border-wall

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/01/unfinished-us-mexico-border-wall-texas-secure-fence-act

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2012/10/15/landowners-along-u-s-mexico-border-claim-govt-is-abusing-its-power-to-take-land-at-unfair-prices
You obviously did not read the entire article, if... (show quote)


You did not read my comment. I certainly read your article. I even gave a specific place where a wall/barrier would not work. But it needs to be more than something easy breached.

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Jan 12, 2019 18:33:47   #
Nickolai
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
The only barriers needed are the ones near populated areas which would act like a funnel guiding migrants toward points of legal entry. Obviously many areas are just too remote and can be monitored by other means. Down along the border rd 17, I think it is, in the Chiwawa, desert ( Yes, I misspelled it. LOL!) a walll would be very impractical and would interfere with the locals wheree in some places Mexican kids live on the Mexico side but are brought over to the American side for school and other things; a place where medical provideres only come in for a few days every month or so. So yes, not the entire length. That would be a 100billion dollar project easily.

But yes, those against it ARE anti-Trump, no if's, and's or but's about it. All of these dem's who are opposed to it actually campaigned on border security and even v**ed for a barrier /wall. In all honesty, it is as if Trump took up the cause from the dem's, who could not get it done, and decided that he could get it done. He ran on it. He won on it. Obviously it is a very popular thing with the populous.

Obama even said we have a humanitarian crisis at the border, but CNN says there is no crisis????

Those who oppose this part of immigration reform and support, ARE NOTHING BUT ANTI-TRUMP PHONEY'S!!!!!

Let me repeat that. This is being opposed only because Trump wants it done. ONLY BECAUSE TRUMP WANTS IT DONE.
The only barriers needed are the ones near populat... (show quote)





Bush is holding government workers hostage in order to get what he wants one thing one should do is never cave into a bully or hostage taker. Thats government policy don't pay the highjackers, the kidnappers, the hostage takers. Never reward bad behavior

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Jan 12, 2019 18:38:12   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
You did not read my comment. I certainly read your article. I even gave a specific place where a wall/barrier would not work. But it needs to be more than something easy breached.


I*****L m*****ts are NOT going to be "guided toward points of legal entry".

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Jan 12, 2019 18:45:34   #
fullspinzoo
 
Nickolai wrote:
Bush is holding government workers hostage in order to get what he wants one thing one should do is never cave into a bully or hostage taker. Thats government policy don't pay the highjackers, the kidnappers, the hostage takers. Never reward bad behavior

You are 10 years behind the times and that's not all. Bush hasn't been around for years. Catch up with the times. Accepting the "olive branch" was a bad idea. All you do is bash Trump. Dyed in the wool c*******t?

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Jan 12, 2019 19:04:03   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
It would prevent a lot of virtual immigrants from sneaking in? How would you award or detract game points on this one? More importantly, how would you design the joystick to play this game?


Great answer

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Jan 12, 2019 19:49:01   #
roy
 
buffalo wrote:
I*****L m*****ts are NOT going to be "guided toward points of legal entry".


Lets see we now have thousands of soilders on the boder right now,and where their at ,trump is still letting them come in ,not climbing tunneling just walking in getting food healthcare a good bed,so build your wall it want change a thing.The only thing it want bev5.5 billion it will be more like 8 to 10 billion and still the people will come and the drugs will to.

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