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Jan 10, 2019 13:32:56   #
byronglimish (a regular here)
 
I'm stepping up my game, no longer will I use any tactics or words to get another suspension, as I know that the Progressive Agitators miss me ever so much, while I'm in the principles office. In toastmasters, evaluation is the most important tool to any higher clarity in communication achievement. Any suggestions?

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Jan 10, 2019 14:08:18   #
slatten49 (a regular here)
 
byronglimish wrote:
I'm stepping up my game, no longer will I use any tactics or words to get another suspension, as I know that the Progressive Agitators miss me ever so much, while I'm in the principles office. In toastmasters, evaluation is the most important tool to any higher clarity in communication achievement. Any suggestions?


In our personal exchanges...along with reading your other posts...I must'a missed all of your egregious "tactics or words". Though you may not appear a choirboy, you're been decent with me.

Now, about that check in gratitude.

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Jan 10, 2019 14:10:37   #
byronglimish (a regular here)
 
slatten49 wrote:
In our personal exchanges...along with reading your other posts...I must'a missed all of your egregious "tactics or words". Though you may not appear a choirboy, you're been decent with me.

Now, about that check in gratitude.


Checks in the mail sir, just need your social and a valid card #.

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Jan 10, 2019 14:20:52   #
slatten49 (a regular here)
 
byronglimish wrote:
Checks in the mail sir, just need your social and a valid card #.

I'm sorry, but we seem to have a bad internet connection. Try again later...much later.

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Jan 10, 2019 14:21:20   #
jack sequim wa (a regular here)
 
byronglimish wrote:
I'm stepping up my game, no longer will I use any tactics or words to get another suspension, as I know that the Progressive Agitators miss me ever so much, while I'm in the principles office. In toastmasters, evaluation is the most important tool to any higher clarity in communication achievement. Any suggestions?




Leftist new tool to silence opposition, truth, empirical evidence when learning the Administration is taking notice and lessor infractions means temporary suspension. Predictable and planned agitation to provoke a behavior by several trolls, if not trolls then hardliners steeped in communism /Marxist /socialist ideology with mind altering vitriolic hate towards anyone of different thought.
There is something to be said for brainwashed uneducated democrat voters that have been told lies from cradle believed the lies about conservatives being the wealthy fat white men hating the poor, only out for the rich, racist ect, ect..... Funny how majoryty of the wealthiest in our nation are democrats, in congress and the senate democrats and their policies and agendas are what they falsely accuse conservatives of.
My wife of twenty years had these and many other false beliefs handed down from her parents at a young age. It took several years, then her researching herself to see the truth. The first few years anything I said about leftist was to her lies and same in speaking the truth about conservatives more lies. It was difficult for her to openly state she had believed the leftist media, her parents in fullness but now a proud conservative. To this day her parents have something greater than vitriol hate towards me as a result of their daughters beliefs.
My point is, when do we know we are debating this segment of the democrat party. They are indoctrinated as a child, their friends are leftist, family and a strong sense of betrayal if they even agree with a conservative issue.
So at best we can seed plant and argue topics based in the more obvious facts, while avoiding topics that have traps knowing that their replys will be talking points of the media and when boxed into the reality of truth, facts they cannot refute it comes time to agitate, provoke as their defense when threatened.
That's my take and what keeps me sane. Then I have a Christian mindset that guides my behavior.

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Jan 10, 2019 14:26:55   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
byronglimish wrote:
I'm stepping up my game, no longer will I use any tactics or words to get another suspension, as I know that the Progressive Agitators miss me ever so much, while I'm in the principles office. In toastmasters, evaluation is the most important tool to any higher clarity in communication achievement. Any suggestions?


Say whatever you want to make points, don't resort to personal attacks...

...stick to well supported facts, not rhetorical talking points...

Good Luck...may the force be with you

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Jan 10, 2019 14:28:08   #
byronglimish (a regular here)
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Leftist new tool to silence opposition, truth, empirical evidence when learning the Administration is taking notice and lessor infractions means temporary suspension. Predictable and planned agitation to provoke a behavior by several trolls, if not trolls then hardliners steeped in communism /Marxist /socialist ideology with mind altering vitriolic hate towards anyone of different thought.
There is something to be said for brainwashed uneducated democrat voters that have been told lies from cradle believed the lies about conservatives being the wealthy fat white men hating the poor, only out for the rich, racist ect, ect..... Funny how majoryty of the wealthiest in our nation are democrats, in congress and the senate democrats and their policies and agendas are what they falsely accuse conservatives of.
My wife of twenty years had these and many other false beliefs handed down from her parents at a young age. It took several years, then her researching herself to see the truth. The first few years anything I said about leftist was to her lies and same in speaking the truth about conservatives more lies. It was difficult for her to openly state she had believed the leftist media, her parents in fullness but now a proud conservative. To this day her parents have something greater than vitriol hate towards me as a result of their daughters beliefs.
My point is, when do we know we are debating this segment of the democrat party. They are indoctrinated as a child, their friends are leftist, family and a strong sense of betrayal if they even agree with a conservative issue.
So at best we can seed plant and argue topics based in the more obvious facts, while avoiding topics that have traps knowing that their replys will be talking points of the media and when boxed into the reality of truth, facts they cannot refute it comes time to agitate, provoke as their defense when threatened.
That's my take and what keeps me sane. Then I have a Christian mindset that guides my behavior.
Leftist new tool to silence opposition, truth, emp... (show quote)



Thank you Jack. You always post something of relevance. Good analysis and advise.

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Jan 10, 2019 14:30:05   #
byronglimish (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
Say whatever you want to make points, don't resort to personal attacks...

...stick to well supported facts, not rhetorical talking points...

Good Luck...may the force be with you


Gu. I will be elevating my debates skills, not relinquishing factual input.

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Jan 10, 2019 14:32:01   #
byronglimish (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
Say whatever you want to make points, don't resort to personal attacks...

...stick to well supported facts, not rhetorical talking points...

Good Luck...may the force be with you


And yes personal attacks are gone.

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Jan 10, 2019 14:32:04   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
jack sequim wa wrote:

My point is, when do we know we are debating this segment of the democrat party. They are indoctrinated as a child, their friends are leftist, family and a strong sense of betrayal if they even agree with a conservative issue.
...Then I have a Christian mindset that guides my behavior.


I grew up with a step father that is a total bigot and moron (hard right winger of course). This is why I know how to deal with the mindset, and I do try to communicate. I also know that getting points across is virtually impossible.

If you have a christian mindset you would be a bit more progressive and tolerant.

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Jan 10, 2019 14:32:56   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
byronglimish wrote:
Gu. I will be elevating my debates skills, not relinquishing factual input.


That is always a good thing...

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Jan 10, 2019 14:34:07   #
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jack sequim wa wrote:
Leftist new tool to silence opposition, truth, empirical evidence when learning the Administration is taking notice and lessor infractions means temporary suspension. Predictable and planned agitation to provoke a behavior by several trolls, if not trolls then hardliners steeped in communism /Marxist /socialist ideology with mind altering vitriolic hate towards anyone of different thought.
There is something to be said for brainwashed uneducated democrat voters that have been told lies from cradle believed the lies about conservatives being the wealthy fat white men hating the poor, only out for the rich, racist ect, ect..... Funny how majoryty of the wealthiest in our nation are democrats, in congress and the senate democrats and their policies and agendas are what they falsely accuse conservatives of.
My wife of twenty years had these and many other false beliefs handed down from her parents at a young age. It took several years, then her researching herself to see the truth. The first few years anything I said about leftist was to her lies and same in speaking the truth about conservatives more lies. It was difficult for her to openly state she had believed the leftist media, her parents in fullness but now a proud conservative. To this day her parents have something greater than vitriol hate towards me as a result of their daughters beliefs.
My point is, when do we know we are debating this segment of the democrat party. They are indoctrinated as a child, their friends are leftist, family and a strong sense of betrayal if they even agree with a conservative issue.
So at best we can seed plant and argue topics based in the more obvious facts, while avoiding topics that have traps knowing that their replys will be talking points of the media and when boxed into the reality of truth, facts they cannot refute it comes time to agitate, provoke as their defense when threatened.
That's my take and what keeps me sane. Then I have a Christian mindset that guides my behavior.
Leftist new tool to silence opposition, truth, emp... (show quote)


All true. Dum-0-craps are Dum-0-craps; main reason? They have been brainwashed by relatives, teachers, mentors & peers. Although, they may have, not always, the ability to think politically outside the Democratic dogma, all other critical thinking is shut off to them.

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Jan 10, 2019 14:37:07   #
jack sequim wa (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
I grew up with a step father that is a total bigot and moron (hard right winger of course). This is why I know how to deal with the mindset, and I do try to communicate. I also know that getting points across is virtually impossible.

If you have a christian mindset you would be a bit more progressive and tolerant.



See, your making my point. My wife grew up with a father that hated whites, blacks, and told her " don't ever bring home a white conservative"

Woodguru, everyone has bias and every party has bigots. What would you think growing up in my wife's home?

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Jan 10, 2019 14:37:09   #
byronglimish (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
I grew up with a step father that is a total bigot and moron (hard right winger of course). This is why I know how to deal with the mindset, and I do try to communicate. I also know that getting points across is virtually impossible.

If you have a christian mindset you would be a bit more progressive and tolerant.


"Hard right winger of course" Gu [quote]

You just cautioned me on "personal attacks" and the next thing you do is try to steriotype insult all men on the right.

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Jan 10, 2019 14:40:01   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
Comment wrote:
All true. Dum-0-craps are Dum-0-craps; main reason? They have been brainwashed by relatives, teachers, mentors & peers. Although, they may have, not always, the ability to think politically outside the Democratic dogma, all other critical thinking is shut off to them.


Interesting but completely backwards conclusion.

It's far easier to make a case that religious upbringings are indoctrinating kids to a way of thinking, it's referred to as religious dogma for a reason.

I could easily run a dozen totally obvious facts by a right wing crowd and they will reject the obvious without looking at it and processing any of it.

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