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Jan 12, 2019 19:57:10   #
Seth (a regular here)
 
teabag09 wrote:
Islamists don't eat or do anything else that is hygienic with their left hand because it's the hand they use to wipe their butts. So in other words he was shitting on the Constitution. Mike


That is true, Good Catch.

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Jan 12, 2019 20:12:14   #
teabag09 (a regular here)
 
Actually Seth I think Slat schooled me. When swearing an oath the left hand goes on the document and the right hand is raised. I jumped the gun. Mike
Seth wrote:
That is true, Good Catch.

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Jan 12, 2019 20:16:26   #
teabag09 (a regular here)
 
I've been taken to the woodshed. You are quite right and I jumped the gun. Thanks for not getting as earnest as you could have. Mike
slatten49 wrote:
Oaths are traditionally sworn to with the right hand raised. That leaves the left hand for other use.

What is the implication of all congresspersons likely to have taken the oath of office with their left hands on the Bible, Constitution or Koran/Qu'ran

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Jan 12, 2019 20:42:41   #
Seth (a regular here)
 
teabag09 wrote:
Actually Seth I think Slat schooled me. When swearing an oath the left hand goes on the document and the right hand is raised. I jumped the gun. Mike


I was immediately reminded that the left hand thing is a norm in much of Afghanistan and rural parts through west Asia.

The other part wouldn't have come as a surprise, though.

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Jan 12, 2019 22:10:18   #
kankune (a regular here)
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Yea.... Republicans just like John McCain. Just because a person registers, for the purpose of gaining votes, as a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, or whatever.... does not make them a 100 percent supporter of their party. Also, when these people were nominated, they were selected on one factor... who could be approved. Many are unable to stand up to the selection... Kavanaugh is the only one I can remember who thumbed his nose at the committee and was seated regardless of his opponents. We would like to see people who do not play the game for election, but rather stay true to their convictions....but, that rarely happens. It is not until they achieve their goal, a seat or official position, do we (US Citizens) find out what they truly believe or think.
Yea.... Republicans just like John McCain. Just b... (show quote)

Smokin post Pennylynn...keep em comin!!

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Jan 12, 2019 22:15:07   #
kankune (a regular here)
 
TommyRadd wrote:
I’m no scholar of Muslim teachings, but doesn’t the Qu’ran allow lying of Muslims to non-believers? Seems to me, if the Qu’ran advocates in any way that it’s teachings supersede those of a Muslim’s host country, then allowing a Muslim to be sworn into office on a Qu’ran would be tantamount to encouraging and empowering a Muslim not to be bound to upholding our Constitution where it conflicted with their mission of Muslim expansion of sharia law. Can anyone say conflict of interest?

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx

As a Christian, I readily and heartily admit the Bible says “We must obey God rather than men.” Acts 5:29

But it also says, “Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake” 1 Peter 2:13.

I realize this superficially appears to be a contradiction, but in context it is not. In Acts, they were being told not to preach in Jesus’ name. There was no such ordinance, it was just jealous religious leaders whose false form of religion was being exposed by the light and truth of the gospel. Their command to the apostles to desist was an overreach by the leaders, much like libs try to deny our religious liberties in the practice of the Christian faith. Furthermore, the gist of the gospel’s commandments are to love:

“8Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not give false testimony," "You shall not covet," and whatever other commandments there are, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." 10Love doesn't harm a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.” Romans 13:8-10

The point being, what the Bible is saying and commanding is that, if there are unjust laws or rules of man, Christians must hold themselves to a higher standard, that of loving their neighbor as themselves.

What American would advocate “obeying” an unjust law if it meant doing or justifying harm to someone else?

How does swearing on a Qu’ran compare?

Wouldn’t “swearing in” on a Qu’ran, then, actually be tantamount to neutralizing the very purpose of the ceremony?

Seems to me, Naïveté is not a good excuse to allow Trojan Horses into our country and government.
I’m no scholar of Muslim teachings, but doesn’t th... (show quote)

Exactly Tommy..There's no way she was sworn in on the quran and will actually worked for the people of Mn. Besides...she's was placed and we all know it.

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Jan 12, 2019 22:16:03   #
kankune (a regular here)
 
jSmitty45 wrote:
Yeah, they need to throw her out!


Out of OUR COUNTRY!!

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Jan 12, 2019 22:20:16   #
kankune (a regular here)
 
slatten49 wrote:
Swearing on the Bible is a custom with a lot of informal pressure attached to it, but it is not a legal requirement of office. If it were a legal requirement, that would violate the No Religious Test Clause of the United States Constitution. That clause was deliberately put in the Constitution, because the Founding Fathers were opposed to the United States passing any laws that resembled the British Test Acts, which imposed penalties on Roman Catholics and nonconformist Protestants.

Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to the House of Representatives, took his oath of office on a copy of the Qur'an that had previously been owned by Thomas Jefferson. John Brennan, past director of the Central Intelligence Agency, took his oath office by placing his left hand on an original draft of the Constitution, not the Bible. Similarly, Kyrsten Sinema, a Congresswoman from Arizona and the sole member of Congress who declares herself "religiously unaffiliated," swore her oath of office on the Constitution, just as CIA Director Brennan did.

BTW, Kankune, could you us know what Muslim U.S. Senator was alleged to have swore in on the Koran? I am aware of three Muslim members in the U.S. House of Representatives...two women and one male.

For a breakdown of our congressional representatives religious affiliations...

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-congress-religion-20190106-story.html
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I know whom they are and it is 3 too many. Slat..did u know that u do not swear to anything with your left hand. Not in America anyway.....

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Jan 12, 2019 22:22:06   #
kankune (a regular here)
 
teabag09 wrote:
You do realize the implication of the LEFT HAND on the Constitution? Mike



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Jan 12, 2019 22:22:41   #
working dog
 
[quote=Lonewolf]Most dems i know cary so you know that's not happening[/quoteThere is a difference between dims and socialists,I cant see it.

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Jan 12, 2019 22:24:39   #
kankune (a regular here)
 
Iamdjchrys wrote:
Circular logic. And FYI, the Bible is not the be-all and end-all of the human condition. It is no more, or less, credible than the Qu'ran.


It's the Bible or the Constitution. You sure youre from Decatur. Most people I know from there sure dont talk like that. I used to live in Boyd....

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Jan 12, 2019 22:28:10   #
kankune (a regular here)
 
Lonewolf wrote:
I'll tell you what you should is fact ck your post Mueller delivered eveidence that Russia could use to prosecute a case!
Are you aware we buy uranium from Russia and in fact import most of our uranium!


Of course we do fool....Obama and Hillary sold it to them and Mueller delivered it and now we buy it back from them. Man...talk about walking right in to it...you just did!

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Jan 12, 2019 22:28:47   #
slatten49 (a regular here)
 
teabag09 wrote:
I've been taken to the woodshed. You are quite right and I jumped the gun. Thanks for not getting as earnest as you could have. Mike

Mike, even in our disagreements, I usually learn something from you. I didn't see my schooling you on this matter so much as giving my take on it. Good exchanges generally benefit everyone involved.

JFYI, I had been gone a while watching a movie with The Sgt. Major in our billet.

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Jan 12, 2019 22:30:05   #
working dog
 
Lonewolf wrote:
No im excited this nightmare is almost over trump hited 17 more lawyers soon there will be no one in the WH except trump and lawyers, he can't keep a candidate no one can work with him! Or wants too.
Now we know he did conspire with Russia to steal the election which also explains his support of Russia!
This one is brain washed and need meds. more meds.

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Jan 12, 2019 22:36:20   #
slatten49 (a regular here)
 
kankune wrote:
I know whom they are and it is 3 too many. Slat..did u know that u do not swear to anything with your left hand. Not in America anyway.....

You might want to read my posts again, as I wrote those taking their oath traditionally raise their right hands to do so, while setting their left hands on the Bible or Constitution. You had written that a Muslim senator had sworn in on the Qu'ran. I had asked who that was, as I believe there are none. The three I mentioned are all U.S. House Representatives, one each from Michigan, Minnesota and Indiana.

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