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Jan 8, 2019 11:05:08   #
Liberty Tree
 
Bad Bob wrote:
Where do you get that Einstein?


From the way they support liberal activist judges and want a "living constitution", which just means interpreting it to fit the liberal agenda rather than what it says.

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Jan 8, 2019 11:10:53   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
From the way they support liberal activist judges and want a "living constitution", which just means interpreting it to fit the liberal agenda rather than what it says.


That is your opinion and not a fact.

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Jan 8, 2019 12:06:31   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Seth wrote:
A Supreme Court justice is supposed to be guided by the letter of the Constitution, not by what he believes to be "right" or "just" according to his/her personal political beliefs.

Conservative leaning justices, BECAUSE they are conservatives, tend to do just that because it was what the founders invented SCOTUS for to begin with.

Ginsburg and the other "progressives," however, let their mares-eat-oats and does-eat-oats liberal dogmas guide their decisions, and that is not what the founders intended.

The purpose of the E*******l College was and is to make sure that Americans in every segment of America have a voice in electing presidents. The founders were a hell of a lot smarter than anyone fielded by today's Democrats. They knew that it was human nature that a) the large coastal states would inevitably have the most concentrated of U.S. populations, along with the most people of academic background, that b) such people have a tendency for what is today called "progressive" thinking and would be most likely, seeing themselves as an intellectual elite, to try and enact change, not necessarily a good thing, according to the fiat of their "progressive" political beliefs, and that c) due to their sheer numbers could nullify the v**es of Americans living throughout the rest of the country.

In other words, the E*******l College prevents "mob rule." It is a sound principle.

Your talk of impeachment is purely politically motivated; Trump has done nothing to deserve impeachment, in fact his administration thusfar has seen nothing of the magnitude of Fast & Furious, B******i, the IRS kerfuffle, Hillary's pay-to-play stint as SecState, Uranium One, treaties signed without consent of the Congress and other fun things that occurred on Obama's watch, all conveniently ignored by an irresponsible left wing mainstream media.

The only reason Trump is under constant assault as he is? Because he won the e******n that "belonged to Hillary" according to a system that's served this country well for most of our history.

The only thing you've posted above that I agree with is that parties should be careful about enacting policies that might come full circle, and interestingly enough, the party that needs most to heed that advice is the Democrats, since they're the folks who keep straying from the norms for the convenience of the moment.

From where I sit, that in itself is one of many indicators that the Democratic Party is no longer fit to lead the country: they are incapable of evaluating the long term consequences of actions for which they are responsible, whether it is setting bad precedent or obligating the taxpayer to indelible long term economic disasters.
A Supreme Court justice is supposed to be guided b... (show quote)


Well played, Seth, well played!

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Jan 8, 2019 13:53:54   #
Morgan
 
Seth wrote:
A Supreme Court justice is supposed to be guided by the letter of the Constitution, not by what he believes to be "right" or "just" according to his/her personal political beliefs.

Conservative leaning justices, BECAUSE they are conservatives, tend to do just that because it was what the founders invented SCOTUS for to begin with.


Yes they are, and with a debate, outcomes are determined, that is the way of it, and we all hope the conclusion is for the best.

Seth wrote:
Ginsburg and the other "progressives," however, let their mares-eat-oats and does-eat-oats liberal dogmas guide their decisions, and that is not what the founders intended.


Let their mares eat oats? Not sure about that one, but I do know...conservatives have their agendas too.

Seth wrote:
The purpose of the E*******l College was and is to make sure that Americans in every segment of America have a voice in electing presidents. The founders were a hell of a lot smarter than anyone fielded by today's Democrats.


The E*******l College is a process, one that is outdated for its original purpose, one done by the few, by educated white men, property owners and representatives. At a time when the founders felt the public was not educated enough to make governing decisions, most couldn't read.The founding fathers established it in the Constitution as a compromise between e******n of the President by a v**e in Congress and e******n of the President by a popular v**e of qualified citizens.

And a lot smarter than today's Republicans too, tell me do you guys have to make a put down with every comment? People who speak of the founders, always speak as if they all agreed on everything, not so, which includes the e*******l college. Also how our government worked during the framing of our constitution, was very much different than today, for example, who even got to v**e. Who v**ed for the representatives.

The E*******l College process consists of the se******n of the e*****rs, the meeting of the e*****rs where they v**e for President and Vice President, and the counting of the e*******l v**es by Congress.


Seth wrote:
b) such people have a tendency for what is today called "progressive" thinking and would be most likely, seeing themselves as an intellectual elite, to try and enact change, not necessarily a good thing, according to the fiat of their "progressive" political beliefs,


Well, that is simply your conservative opinion, Thomas Jefferson was considered progressive in his thinking, he had done more things to improve our country then any other president I can think of.

Seth wrote:
c) due to their sheer numbers could nullify the v**es of Americans living throughout the rest of the country.


So you believe the majority should be ruled by the minority?

Seth wrote:
In other words, the E*******l College prevents "mob rule." It is a sound principle.


A little history:
All four leading candidates in the 1824 e******n were from the same party, the Democratic-Republicans. Though Jackson got the most e*******l v**es (99) and held a slight lead (38,149 v**es) in the popular v**e, no candidate received a majority in the E*******l College, and the decision again fell to the House of Representatives, who would decide between the top three finishers, Jackson, John Quincy Adams (who received 84 e*******l v**es) and Secretary of State William Crawford.

Speaker of the House Henry Clay, who had come in fourth in the p**********l race and h**ed Jackson, suddenly had tremendous influence over the e******n results. The Kentuckian forged an alliance between e*****rs in Ohio and New England (including states that had v**ed decisively for Jackson) in order to hand the White House to Adams, who later appointed Clay as his secretary of state. The so-called “corrupt bargain” haunted Adams’ presidency and allowed Jackson to effectively market himself as the common man’s champion against an elitist, corrupt system. “Old Hickory” won the White House in 1828, and in his first annual message to Congress he recommended eliminating the E*******l College.



Seth wrote:
Your talk of impeachment is purely politically motivated;


Well of course???

Seth wrote:
Trump has done nothing to deserve impeachment, in fact his administration thusfar has seen nothing of the magnitude of Fast & Furious, B******i, the IRS kerfuffle, Hillary's pay-to-play stint as SecState, Uranium One, treaties signed without consent of the Congress and other fun things that occurred on Obama's watch, all conveniently ignored by an irresponsible left-wing mainstream media.


This administration under Trump has been a diabolical circus and Trump keeps playing the egg game. The media has nothing to do with bring up charges or prosecuting, it's all been Trumped up from the right, we know this from the investigations that we all paid for, and they found nothing valid.

Now Trump, on the other hand, has tried to block the investigation every time an will continue to do so.


Seth wrote:
The only reason Trump is under constant assault as he is? Because he won the e******n that "belonged to Hillary" according to a system that's served this country well for most of our history.


No, Seth, it's because he is a liar and an unhonorable man.

Seth wrote:
The only thing you've posted above that I agree with is that parties should be careful about enacting policies that might come full circle, and interestingly enough, the party that needs most to heed that advice is the Democrats, since they're the folks who keep straying from the norms for the convenience of the moment.


No, actually it's the Republicans that have been charged at least twice that I know of, maybe more by the Supreme Court for acting unconstitutionally.

Seth wrote:
From where I sit, that in itself is one of many indicators that the Democratic Party is no longer fit to lead the country: they are incapable of evaluating the long term consequences of actions for which they are responsible, whether it is setting bad precedent or obligating the taxpayer to indelible long term economic disasters.


From where I sit the republican party is imploding, which has happened before, it is they who mismanage and are unscrupulous to govern, and they, who have both times, led us into economic disasters.

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Jan 8, 2019 14:04:50   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Morgan wrote:
From where I sit the republican party is imploding, which has happened before, it is they who mismanage and are unscrupulous to govern, and they, who have both times, led us into economic disasters.


From where I sit, the dim-o-crap party is EXPLODING and fragmenting just as they did in 2016 because of crooked b***h clinton.

Maybe both arms (dems and repubs) of the corporate party will disappear into oblivion. I have no use for either.

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Jan 8, 2019 14:12:28   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
buffalo wrote:
From where I sit, the dim-o-crap party is EXPLODING and fragmenting just as they did in 2016 because of crooked b***h clinton.

Maybe both arms (dems and repubs) of the corporate party will disappear into oblivion. I have no use for either.


Ya want a dictator?

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Jan 8, 2019 14:22:12   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
The e*******l College was established so all of America had a say in an e******n. A pure Democracy is "mob" rule. Period. Minorities have very little say in a true Democracy. so those white Men, who by the way were brilliant, designed a system where the minority v**er all over the country has a say.
https://www.historycentral.com/e******ns/E*******lcollgewhy.html

Morgan wrote:
From where I sit the republican party is imploding, which has happened before, it is they who mismanage and are unscrupulous to govern, and they, who have both times, led us into economic disasters.

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Jan 8, 2019 17:16:30   #
Morgan
 
I'm not for parties, it makes people easier to manipulate.


buffalo wrote:
From where I sit, the dim-o-crap party is EXPLODING and fragmenting just as they did in 2016 because of crooked b***h clinton.

Maybe both arms (dems and repubs) of the corporate party will disappear into oblivion. I have no use for either.

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Jan 8, 2019 19:39:43   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Bad Bob wrote:
Ya want a dictator?


Isn't that what you and your moonbatty comrades think trumpy wants to be?

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Jan 8, 2019 19:41:11   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
buffalo wrote:
Isn't that what you and your moonbatty comrades think trumpy wants to be?


Yes

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Jan 9, 2019 02:47:26   #
Seth
 
Morgan wrote:
From where I sit the republican party is imploding, which has happened before, it is they who mismanage and are unscrupulous to govern, and they, who have both times, led us into economic disasters.


Pretty much everything you've posted is pure Democrat denial of facts.

I'm not going to go through most of that because it's all been posted here, links and logic and commentary, but like the rest of the wannabe Bolsheviks herein, you simply ignore it all, even when evidence is right there in front of you.

As far as corrupt practices and other crimes committed between January 2009 and January 2017, they were all "covered" under the protection of the Obama Umbrella of Corruption©. I have a very strong feeling that over the next few months, a number of now unprotected chickens are going to come home to roost. Stay tuned.

Now, here's where a previous post of mine comes in. I said that the Democratic Party has a nasty habit of setting precedents based on political convenience of the moment, paying no heed to the fact that it might come back later, full circle as someone else said, to bite them in the ass.

The purpose of the E*******l College was made plain to you, and in its way conscribes to the spirit of America.

America IS NOT a democracy, it is a republic. The founders never meant for this country to be ruled by mobs, just as it was not to be ruled by royalty.

The E*******l College gives Americans in every state an equal opportunity to v**e for a president, and in today's environment, it means that elitist liberals in overpopulated states like New York, Massachusetts, Illinois and California don't get to elect all our presidents, despite what v**ers throughout the rest of the country want.

You know damn well that if Hillary had won the e*******l v**e and Trump had lost with the popular v**e, the Democrats wouldn't be complaining at all about the E*******l College.

That's what all this is about, every single time the Democrats in Congress obstruct a Trump nomination or policy; it's about a bunch of grown babies who didn't get what they wanted having a years long tantrum. It's about "since we didn't get the president we wanted, Trump can't be president either, so we're gonna make his term in office a living hell."

It doesn't matter to soulless career politicians, political whores like Pelosi and Schumer, that their job description is to serve the American people, not spend the American people's time and treasure pursuing a political vendetta, they are fully prepared to waste as much time and tax money as they have to in their war on the duly elected President of the United States.

The fact that you see nothing wrong with this tells me what kind of an "American" you are.

Or aren't...

Let me attempt to explain to you what a conservative actually is.

We are Americans who are proud of our heritage, our country, our monuments and our f**g. We are proud of our Constitution. We are proud of how far and how fast America has come from being a British colony to being the richest, most powerful country in history and literally a world leader. The country that is the largest immigration destination on earth because we are a land of liberty and opportunity.

We are men and women who understand that the reasons for all the above boil down to the country having been run exactly as it has for the last 142 years. There have been a few minor adjustments, but essentially the same.

Having said that, what we also understand is that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

So along comes the left wing, in the form of g*******ts who see an eventual one world government with them sitting in the high seats, overseeing a vast socialist kleptocracy, and they begin buying the most gullible party, the Democrats, via campaign contributions and "small favors" to key politicians.

They begin shaping policies affecting the media, the education system and the entertainment industry, and find it easy to recruit the spoiled elitists in the tech sector as well. Useful I***ts like yourself just fall in line, and before long the Democratic Party is packed with socialists, social justice warriors and is churning out, with the help of the mainstream media, identity politics, propaganda and biased or full-blown f**e news.

We conservatives sit here watching you and yours begin eroding our country, attacking our liberties, indoctrinating our youth, tearing down our monuments under pretexts hiding the actual motive of erasing our history, attacking our mainstream religious practices and doing everything possible to disrupt our society, strip it of its most basic morality, open our borders, demean our police, defund our security and self defense abilities, bring down our economy, divide us, create chaos and completely change America into something it was never intended to be.

That's what is really happening in America today, but you want to know something? It ain't gonna work, in the end you and your kind will learn exactly what happens when you back us Americans into a corner as your kind are doing now.

From your perspective, the end game won't be pretty.

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Jan 9, 2019 02:51:04   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Seth wrote:
Pretty much everything you've posted is pure Democrat denial of facts.

I'm not going to go through most of that because it's all been posted here, links and logic and commentary, but like the rest of the wannabe Bolsheviks herein, you simply ignore it all, even when evidence is right there in front of you.

As far as corrupt practices and other crimes committed between January 2009 and January 2017, they were all "covered" under the protection of the Obama Umbrella of Corruption©. I have a very strong feeling that over the next few months, a number of now unprotected chickens are going to come home to roost. Stay tuned.

Now, here's where a previous post of mine comes in. I said that the Democratic Party has a nasty habit of setting precedents based on political convenience of the moment, paying no heed to the fact that it might come back later, full circle as someone else said, to bite them in the ass.

The purpose of the E*******l College was made plain to you, and in its way conscribes to the spirit of America.

America IS NOT a democracy, it is a republic. The founders never meant for this country to be ruled by mobs, just as it was not to be ruled by royalty.

The E*******l College gives Americans in every state an equal opportunity to v**e for a president, and in today's environment, it means that elitist
Pretty much everything you've posted is pure Democ... (show quote)


I was enjoying your reply... Why did you cut off?

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Jan 9, 2019 03:39:26   #
Seth
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I was enjoying your reply... Why did you cut off?


I accidentally ended it (using my phone) and had to resume under "edit". It is finished now.

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Jan 9, 2019 04:35:05   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Seth wrote:
I accidentally ended it (using my phone) and had to resume under "edit". It is finished now.


I completely understand... Most of my posting is done from my phone (I am in awe at the lengths of your posts)...

I applaud that you defined what it was to be a conservative so well and articulately... Forgive me if I state that there are those of us to the north who feel the same way... I in no way mean to hijack your definition...

Canadians can sympathize with your desire for the E*******l College... Many in the West feel marginalized by the majority in the East (Although our provinces are the more productive and provide a disproportionate amount of the GDP)...

It may be a typo, but I I believe the number 142 may be inaccurate... 242?

I truly enjoy your posts and (if I may be allowed this opinion) have found that there are few on the OPP to offer serious challenge to your statements...

Hope that the second week of the new year finds you in good health and spirits...


Your friend, Kyle

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Jan 9, 2019 05:09:30   #
Seth
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I completely understand... Most of my posting is done from my phone (I am in awe at the lengths of your posts)...

I applaud that you defined what it was to be a conservative so well and articulately... Forgive me if I state that there are those of us to the north who feel the same way... I in no way mean to hijack your definition...

Canadians can sympathize with your desire for the E*******l College... Many in the West feel marginalized by the majority in the East (Although our provinces are the more productive and provide a disproportionate amount of the GDP)...

It may be a typo, but I I believe the number 142 may be inaccurate... 242?

I truly enjoy your posts and (if I may be allowed this opinion) have found that there are few on the OPP to offer serious challenge to your statements...

Hope that the second week of the new year finds you in good health and spirits...


Your friend, Kyle
I completely understand... Most of my posting is d... (show quote)


Thank you, Kyle.

And your new year as well.

Ooops, I did mean 242.

That's pretty much the same with the U.S., the states that produce most of our food lie within what Democrats consider the "flyover zone," when they consider them at all, usually only during e******n season. In November 2016, Hillary Clinton didn't even bother with them, she figured that pandering to her liberal elitist bases in NY and California were enough to get her elected (she did, however, visit West Virginia to assure them that she planned to shut down what was left of their coal industry but what the hey, v**e for her anyway).

Back in the 1970s when I was stationed in Seattle, I visited Vancouver, BC a couple of times, loved it up there. When I lived in NY in the early 1980s, I attended a Rangers/Leafs game at the Garden (the Madison Square one), and I think it was the "rivalry" between those two teams that inspired the saying, "I went to the fights last night and a hockey game broke out."

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