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Are US gun laws effective
May 5, 2014 22:33:27   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
Existing gun control laws in the United States are effective.

Within the context that the meaning of effective in this particular discussion means a correlation of violent crime and murder rates in the United States in comparison to those in other industrialized nations primarily Western European and post soviet Eastern European countries.

We are all well aware that us citizens have easy access to all forms of firearms and in resent years even more so with many states adopting less stringent conceal and carry laws. How have these less stringent laws affected violent crime in comparison to other nations with similar private citizen laws to those that have very strict ownership laws.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

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May 5, 2014 23:00:32   #
Snoopy
 
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
Existing gun control laws in the United States are effective.

Within the context that the meaning of effective in this particular discussion means a correlation of violent crime and murder rates in the United States in comparison to those in other industrialized nations primarily Western European and post soviet Eastern European countries.

We are all well aware that us citizens have easy access to all forms of firearms and in resent years even more so with many states adopting less stringent conceal and carry laws. How have these less stringent laws affected violent crime in comparison to other nations with similar private citizen laws to those that have very strict ownership laws.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
Existing gun control laws in the United States are... (show quote)



Dear Constitutional

I wonder if our usual Progressive Trolls (Brian, Glucon and BoAsshole) will check out that link or will fall back on their usual rants?

Snoopy

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May 5, 2014 23:11:01   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
I think that there is evidence that those who are legal owners of guns is not the problem. The international evidence is clear that it takes more than guns to cause high crime rates, yet guns enable both intentional and unintentional violence. I do not know if you do a lot of reading. So, I will just mention this in passing. But, if you read Stephen Pinker’s history of violence, The Better Angels of Our Nature, you will find find ample support for the idea that there’s more to homicide than the prevalence of firearms. In precivilization, as many as 15 percent of all deaths were violent—inflicted by weapons as simple as a stone. Even today, the strongest relationship to homicide rates around the world involves overall levels of economic development, ine******y, and social cohesion rather than gun prevalence.

Consider Switzerland, which has the second-highest gun ownership rate amongst OECD countries, yet a very low overall homicide rate—one-third the OECD average. While Swiss gun-related homicides are more common than elsewhere in the OECD, that still suggests that the mere availability of guns doesn’t necessitate a lot of violent crime.

Bottom line, the gun laws are adequate. Enforcement of those laws is the weak link.



Constitutional libertarian wrote:
Existing gun control laws in the United States are effective.

Within the context that the meaning of effective in this particular discussion means a correlation of violent crime and murder rates in the United States in comparison to those in other industrialized nations primarily Western European and post soviet Eastern European countries.

We are all well aware that us citizens have easy access to all forms of firearms and in resent years even more so with many states adopting less stringent conceal and carry laws. How have these less stringent laws affected violent crime in comparison to other nations with similar private citizen laws to those that have very strict ownership laws.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
Existing gun control laws in the United States are... (show quote)

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May 5, 2014 23:17:05   #
dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)
 
ginnyt wrote:
I think that there is evidence that those who are legal owners of guns is not the problem. The international evidence is clear that it takes more than guns to cause high crime rates, yet guns enable both intentional and unintentional violence. I do not know if you do a lot of reading. So, I will just mention this in passing. But, if you read Stephen Pinker’s history of violence, The Better Angels of Our Nature, you will find find ample support for the idea that there’s more to homicide than the prevalence of firearms. In precivilization, as many as 15 percent of all deaths were violent—inflicted by weapons as simple as a stone. Even today, the strongest relationship to homicide rates around the world involves overall levels of economic development, ine******y, and social cohesion rather than gun prevalence.

Consider Switzerland, which has the second-highest gun ownership rate amongst OECD countries, yet a very low overall homicide rate—one-third the OECD average. While Swiss gun-related homicides are more common than elsewhere in the OECD, that still suggests that the mere availability of guns doesn’t necessitate a lot of violent crime.

Bottom line, the gun laws are adequate. Enforcement of those laws is the weak link.
I think that there is evidence that those who are ... (show quote)


In Israel each citizen enters 2 years of military service on their 18th birthday. At the end of their duty they're sent home with an Uzi submachine gun and several full magazines of ammunition. All the violence I've heard about there happens at the hands of Muslim terrorists - rockets, bus bombs, etc. In a totally armed population, very low gun violence.

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May 5, 2014 23:31:30   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
I am well aware of the policies and violence in Israel, I still have relatives in country. Most Jews are not aggressive; however we will defend our country and homes. If allowed, Muslims would erase us from the face of the earth. This will never happen.

You make a very good point. Thank you!!!

dennisimoto wrote:
In Israel each citizen enters 2 years of military service on their 18th birthday. At the end of their duty they're sent home with an Uzi submachine gun and several full magazines of ammunition. All the violence I've heard about there happens at the hands of Muslim terrorists - rockets, bus bombs, etc. In a totally armed population, very low gun violence.

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May 5, 2014 23:44:08   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
ginnyt wrote:
I think that there is evidence that those who are legal owners of guns is not the problem. The international evidence is clear that it takes more than guns to cause high crime rates, yet guns enable both intentional and unintentional violence. I do not know if you do a lot of reading. So, I will just mention this in passing. But, if you read Stephen Pinker’s history of violence, The Better Angels of Our Nature, you will find find ample support for the idea that there’s more to homicide than the prevalence of firearms. In precivilization, as many as 15 percent of all deaths were violent—inflicted by weapons as simple as a stone. Even today, the strongest relationship to homicide rates around the world involves overall levels of economic development, ine******y, and social cohesion rather than gun prevalence.

Consider Switzerland, which has the second-highest gun ownership rate amongst OECD countries, yet a very low overall homicide rate—one-third the OECD average. While Swiss gun-related homicides are more common than elsewhere in the OECD, that still suggests that the mere availability of guns doesn’t necessitate a lot of violent crime.

Bottom line, the gun laws are adequate. Enforcement of those laws is the weak link.
I think that there is evidence that those who are ... (show quote)


I don't know if you read the article in its entirety. There is section that says exactly what you just said. Almost all gun violence is committed by people who have a history of violence, mental health problems or crimes. Gun violence is almost never committed by law abiding citizens, which almost completely negates any notion that the availability of guns in homes give rise to in the heat of the moment violence.

I had not read about the gun laws in Israel. That's actually quite fascinating yet perplexing as to why their knowledge hasn't made its way into our mainstream gun argument.

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May 5, 2014 23:49:22   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
Snoopy wrote:
Dear Constitutional

I wonder if our usual Progressive Trolls (Brian, Glucon and BoAsshole) will check out that link or will fall back on their usual rants?

Snoopy


We can only hope, I believe if I can reach just one person I have made a difference.

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May 6, 2014 00:00:14   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
I confess, I did not read the article; I skimmed it. Bad habit of mine. So sorry, I promise to slow down and read for comprehension your links. My bad!

Constitutional libertarian wrote:
I don't know if you read the article in its entirety. There is section that says exactly what you just said. Almost all gun violence is committed by people who have a history of violence, mental health problems or crimes. Gun violence is almost never committed by law abiding citizens, which almost completely negates any notion that the availability of guns in homes give rise to in the heat of the moment violence.

I had not read about the gun laws in Israel. That's actually quite fascinating yet perplexing as to why their knowledge hasn't made its way into our mainstream gun argument.
I don't know if you read the article in its entire... (show quote)

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May 6, 2014 00:18:19   #
Ricktloml
 
ginnyt wrote:
I am well aware of the policies and violence in Israel, I still have relatives in country. Most Jews are not aggressive; however we will defend our country and homes. If allowed, Muslims would erase us from the face of the earth. This will never happen.

You make a very good point. Thank you!!!


There are many now in positions of authority in the U.S. government who are willing to help those Muslims along

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May 6, 2014 00:23:35   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Yes indeed, even in the White House!

Ricktloml wrote:
There are many now in positions of authority in the U.S. government who are willing to help those Muslims along

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May 6, 2014 00:40:06   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
ginnyt wrote:
I am well aware of the policies and violence in Israel, I still have relatives in country. Most Jews are not aggressive; however we will defend our country and homes. If allowed, Muslims would erase us from the face of the earth. This will never happen.

You make a very good point. Thank you!!!


I consulted the FBI statistics on firearms murders in the US. In the past 20 years, there has been a large increase in the general population, in the number of gun owners, and an explosion in the number of concealed carry permit holders. If we are to believe the anti-gunners, this should have caused a bloodbath. Actually, according to the FBI stats, in spite of the sensationalized mass shootings, the firearms murder rate has gone down by around fifty percent in the past 20 years, the exact opposite of the Liberal prophets. I guess they were reading the wrong tea leaves, or rabbit entrails, or however it is they make such wrongheaded predictions.

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May 6, 2014 00:52:56   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Loki wrote:
I consulted the FBI statistics on firearms murders in the US. In the past 20 years, there has been a large increase in the general population, in the number of gun owners, and an explosion in the number of concealed carry permit holders. If we are to believe the anti-gunners, this should have caused a bloodbath. Actually, according to the FBI stats, in spite of the sensationalized mass shootings, the firearms murder rate has gone down by around fifty percent in the past 20 years, the exact opposite of the Liberal prophets. I guess they were reading the wrong tea leaves, or rabbit entrails, or however it is they make such wrongheaded predictions.
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Agree!!!! This also explains another thing..... missing rabbits!

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May 6, 2014 16:17:35   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
ginnyt wrote:
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Agree!!!! This also explains another thing..... missing rabbits!


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May 6, 2014 20:45:43   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
ginnyt wrote:
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Agree!!!! This also explains another thing..... missing rabbits!


We don't have to read thier guts to know the facts. Because of that, we have an abundance of rabbits. Our front yard is the only green place around, so they come in and mow for me!! Have almost gotten the dogs trained to wait until they make their escape before going out in the morning.
We totally support Isreal!! She will never fall!! God just won't allow that!
America is...anymore...I don't know.

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