crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

From The Book of Luke - Chapter One

26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

And here are the words to the Catholic Prayer called The Hail Mary:
"Hail Mary, full of grace, the lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women & blessed is the fruit of the womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now & at the hour of our death, Amen."

So, in order to say that Catholics are going to hell, you must call the Luke a liar and reject The Angel Gabriel and thus call the entire New Testament lies.

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Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

We don't h**e Catholics, we think your theology was twisted or skewed on purpose to hide what those at the top believe while enriching themselves and amassing power over the centuries. I know many wonderful Catholics who put Christ first in their lives. Hope you can understand the difference. Rome was pagan from its beginning and as it was dying took on a veneer of Christendom to survive. The Vatican is a lot like Islam, wh**ever it takes to survive while fleecing the flock. In the near future, the Vatican will declare that all faiths are equal and everyone is going to heaven. Once the NWO takes power and AI is perfected and everyone can be tracked you will not be allowed to buy or sell without the Vatican's permission. It will once again become intolerant. All the pieces are now coming together. Read your Bible, you will k**l your fellow man while thinking you are doing God a favor. If the Vatican isn't corrupt why do they hide p*******e priest instead of turning the perverts over to the police? Because they condone and approve of it. Where do you think gays come from? P*******e priests and the children they mess up who grow up and become molesters themselves. It doesn't take glasses to see it.

The Vatican is neck deep in child trafficking, owes allegiance to the Rothschild banksters and is controlled by the Jesuits which is their muscle, Intel, black ops, and assassination unit. Believe what you like, I told you the t***h as I know it.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

I don't h**e anybody or condemn anybody, speaking for myself. At my church, we have done an indepth study based on a question I asked one evening, which was, how far can one stray from the gospel and still be saved? My pastor asked me how far I though one could stray. I answered not any. He said, "you're absolutely right". Salvation is the gospel plus nothing else. Not speaking in tongues, not water baptism, no amount of works, no handling of deadly snakes, no amount of money, or anything else that man has concocted to please himself.
We are gentiles, pure and simple. There was a special apostle personally taught by Jesus himself, and he was Paul. Jesus called him to be a disciple for the gentiles, because the Jews rejected him. In so many words Paul said that if ANY one puts forth another gospel, that it was NOT another gospel, that if any teaching were not in line with what he had preached, to reject it as false doctrine.
Jesus himself said "No man cometh to the Father but by me". That means there is one way and only one way to be saved. Why else would the road to heaven be straight and narrow?
If you think people h**e you, wait till I'm through here. Take Mormons, they say that Jesus came to the American Indians with salvation while He was buried, but why didn't he go to the South American Indians? Were they not allowed to be saved. Nor did he go to the deep Orient. This story in contained NOWHERE in God's word. They call it an addition to the Bible. If we are to believe that the Bible is God's word, then we have to also believe that it has come to us as He intended it to be. The Bible doesn't say wait 1500 years and we'll add some things to it.
Before I get to Mary, lets look at tongues. Paul said I would that you all could speak in tongues, but there are other gifts, such as healing, teaching, prophecy, and he said the greatest gift of all was charity ( which is love). He also said that tongues would cease when we had perfection ( perfection being the Bible), because they would not be needed anymore. Paul also laid down rules for speaking in tongues that no one follows today.
What about water baptism? I won't spend any time on this one, just this logic....if one HAS to have water baptism, or baptism into a particular church to get to heaven, then why did Jesus have to suffer the cruel pain that he did, and the spilling of His blood? 7th Day Adventist keep the Biblical sabbath and some of the Jewish laws. Paul said that if one lives by the law, they'll be tried by the law. The law does not respect the blood of Jesus. The law was never salvation. Much of the law had to do with being clean, I mean washed, and their health. There were things one could not touch because they were disease ridden, such as a dead body. Paul said all things are good to eat if taken with thanksgiving, and , yes, that means pork, shellfish, and all the other thing that the Law said the Jews could not eat.
If you have studied the Bible, then you will know that I have not made anything up. It's all in there. OK, I've covered, Church of God (speaking in tongues is proof to them that one has received the Holy Spirit), the Church of Christ ( where no baptism into their church means no salvation), the Mormons( their 'addition' to the Bible is forbidden by Paul, who was taught by Jesus Himself), and 7th Day Adventists ( keeping "some" laws is not or ever has been salvation). All these denominations will say "Hey! We believe in Jesus' sacrifice". But all of their versions are the gospel PLUS, and the t***h is that the gospel is all that there is, and it's plus NOTHING.
I saved you post for last. We all know that Mary was blessed among women. Abraham was blessed among men, he was the first Jew! David was also blessed. The woman who gave 2 mites will always be remembered for her total sacrifice, even though it was almost worthless. Mary and all these others have one thing in common....they're all dead. Abraham, David, the poor woman, and Mary are just a bag of bones i the Holy Land. Nowhere in the Bible can I find where you can ask a dead person to pray for you. Remember Jesus said " No man cometh to the Father but by me". We don't talk to Jesus because he died, we talk to Him because He lives forevermore. HE takes our prayers to God, by Him we are able to go into the Holy of Holies and commune with God.
I know the Roman Catholic Bible is a little different from ours, but I can't find ANY basis for purgatory, anywhere. There is also NO basis for the Pope, anywhere, anywhere at all. The Roman Catholic Church is one of the richest organizations in the world, and history shows without doubt that Constantine saw that Christianity was becoming widespread and that HE founded the church as a combined religious and political entity. There was no Roman Catholic Church before him, but there was a mix of Jews and gentiles that mostly had no church buildings, but met in homes.
So, all these denominations I have mentioned have added something to the gospel. I don't believe that any eyes open study of God's word can find any reference that salvation is anything but the death of Jesus on the cross for our sins, His burial, and His resurrection. If you accept his sacrifice as sufficient payment for you sin debt, then His Holy Spirit will indwell you and you will belong to him, to live forever with Him in Heaven. That IS the Gospel, and that's all there is to it. Plus nothing. Only Jesus.
So, no Brother, I don't h**e you, nor do I judge you or condemn you. Everything I have said is right there in the KJV Bible and I haven't added to or taken away from it. So, I hope you don't h**e me for repeating what the Bible says. I DO hope I have given you food for thought.
God bless.

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

👍 well said Peewee. Catholicism is to Christianity what Pharisaism was to Judaism. Pharisees also claimed direct lineage from Moses by way of oral/unwritten traditions. Jesus said the traditions of men make the worship of God in vain. I’ll take Jesus’ words.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

And the t***h, as I know it, is that every single denomination has had abuse problems which have been systematically covered up.

The Catholic Church has been neck deep with the Rothschilds? What about the Lutherans, Episcopals, Church of Englanders, Methodists and for that matter some organized Jews from whom the Rothschilds sprang?

But I wasn't talking about religious people who have sinned. All have unless you maintain that any denomination has sinless members. I was talking about the passage from Luke.

Some on OPP maintain that all Catholics are going to hell for marianolotry. we don NOT worship Mary. We pray to her to pray for us, '...now & at the hour of our death, Amen.' Hope you can understand the difference.

Our theology has been distilled over centuries. I know of none better.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

To deny Mary's transcendent importance is to deny the Gospel of Luke & hence all of The New Testament and akin to wiccan.

I know of NO such quote from Jesus.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

So, I take it, you do not believe in a hereafter?

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

I agree every denomination has a piece of the puzzle. Every denomination has problems. But only one thinks it has all the answers and is superior to all others, that it's infallible. Yet I've never seen a Pope heal the sick, raise the dead or walk on water.
Catholics have a very long history. There have been a lot of popes. All were born into sin if you take the Bible literally. I have read about popes waging war and murdering thousands of people for thinking for themselves, searching the scriptures, desiring freedom, and being burned at the stake for thinking outside the box. People just wanted the heavy boot of the Papacy off their necks. Having mass in Latin kept people in the dark and terrified and the Vatican in power and rich. The Vatican is a religious mafia. It still has an edict on the books saying all heretics are to be slain if the other religions don't come back under the authority of the Vatican. I don't see Jesus in that belief. If you read Revelation you find that a lot of it is in code. It had to speak in code to keep from being martyred.
Rome and the Catholic Church was and are a k*****g machine. That's what happens when you think you are infallible. There are three branches of the Catholic Chuch, three cities that are there own nation-state. The Vatican, the religious arm, London the financial arm, and D.C. the military arm. I call that a cabal. The Vatican wants to remake the world into its own image, the beast! The Vatican is on seven hills and so is London and D.C. Prophecy proves what is true and false. Catholic who follow Jesus are my brothers and sisters and those that follow the Pope are not. Why pray to Mary when you can pray directly to Jesus? Mary can't forgive your sins, only Jesus can do that. Salvation is always about Jesus. The Pope can't save you, Mary can't save you, ten Hail Mary's won't save you, burnt offerings and good works won't save your soul. Only Jesus can save you. We just have serious theological differences.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Popes are people & sin. They have & will as all of us do & will.

Much the Church officials have DONE, do and will do was, is and will be wrong.

The DOCTRINE is true and is infallible.

Latin is a language that is not difficult to learn. Many people did. The purpose was NOT secrecy. Much of medicine, law and science are Latin-derived.

There are certainly ties financial ties between Rome, Washington and London but they are not a cabal.

Even if there are still canonical laws on the books, which I doubt, that call for the execution by burning or beheading or h*****g for that matter, of heretics, please note that until fairly recently there was a law on the books in Massachusetts, authorizing any resident to shoot on sight anyone from Rhode Island.

But your response is not what this post is all about.

Theological differences? No question but you're as blind as anyone about the place of Mary in Catholicism.

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

Why are there obelisks in the Vatican, D.C., and London? You do know they represent a penis. Why would you bring them all the way from Egypt and install them in those three cities? It's pagan and the nearby domed buildings are the womb. If the men who established the Catholic church were fallible, so is what they built. What better way to traffic children than have orphanages around the world, or spies around the world. Why did this pope let China decide who would be their Catholic priests? Has that ever been done before? Even a ninety-year-old nun was found to be abusing children recently. Your rank and file are probably great people but the hierarchy is serving Satan. Literally hundreds of vidos on YT from priests, nuns and investigators on Catholic abuse.
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maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

I don't believe that I've ever seen in Luke, where we should ask Mary (who is dead) for help getting a prayer to God. The Bible says in John 14:6 King James Version (KJV)

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the t***h, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If no one can come to God except by Jesus...IF NO ONE CAN COME TO GOD EXCEPT BY JESUS...then where does that put asking Mary to say a prayer for you? Mary is dead, along with Abraham, David, Daniel, Elisha, Job, and all the other big names in the Bible. Mary is hardly mentioned after the birth of Jesus. I don't expect your views to change over the few points I've tried to make, but think of this....The Jews had been practicing a strict law for 1300 years, and then Jesus came along. The law was NOT salvation, but Jesus WAS and IS salvation. You know that Mary's cousin Elizabeth was pretty special too. She got pregnant at 88 years of age. She gave birth to John the Baptist, who paved the way for Jesus appear. John's dead...they're ALL dead, but Jesus is alive forevermore. Jesus and Jesus alone takes our prayers to God. Actually, very little is said about Mary in the New Testament. Nowhere...NOWHERE...can it be found that we can speak with Mary or anybody else that has died.
This does not take away from her blessed position in history. Blessed, yes, above all women, but dead as are all dead women. If you need help, ask Jesus. If you have a need, ask for it in prayer to Jesus, bless your food in Jesus' name, pray in his name and he will answer.

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

Dear Crazylibertarian,
Necromancy is the word for communicating with the dead. Only our Lord Jesus the Christ has so far received eternal resurrection of the dead.

Before I became a Christian I attended a seance where a spirit was contacted. I knew, before becoming a Christian, from that and other experiences that the spirit world is real. When I became a Christian the Lord revealed to me that, though yes those spirits were real, they were lying spirits and they were evil. Believe me, there was nothing that otherwise would have made me think they were evil. We mortals simply do not know what sin is, except the Bible calls it sin or evil.

My testimony to you is this, that talking with people about the religious traditions they have been indoctrinated into is very much like talking politics between opposing views of liberals and conservatives. What I know to be true, is that Catholic teachings are perversions of the faith once delivered to the saints just like progressive socialists in America pervert the words and founding principles of America. I’m sure you believe otherwise, but the actual facts of history and biblically influenced Judeo-Christian doctrines, like the scriptural testimony against the necromancy you are now defending, are not on the side of Romanism.

I hope you will consider what I am saying. Confirmation bias is as real a phenomenon as evil spirits pretending to be angels of light. It is only through a strong love for t***h (T***h being the person of Jesus Christ), that one can overcome the traditions of men that make vain their worship of God. Overcoming traditions of men is just one of many of the common temptations known to man we must overcome in this life.

Following is just a small sample of scriptures teaching against necromancy like that practiced in Catholicism under the guise of communicating with Mary. This list, and many more, can be found at https://www.openbible.info/topics/necromancy

Leviticus 19:31 ESV
“Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.

Deuteronomy 18:9-12 ESV
“When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an a*********n to the Lord. And because of these a*********ns the Lord your God is driving them out before you.

1 John 4:1 ESV
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Isaiah 8:19 ESV
And when they say to you, “Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,” should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living?

2 Kings 21:6 ESV
And he burned his son as an offering and used fortune-telling and omens and dealt with mediums and with necromancers. He did much evil in the sight of the Lord, provoking him to anger.

Leviticus 20:6 ESV
“If a person turns to mediums and necromancers, whoring after them, I will set my face against that person and will cut him off from among his people.

Leviticus 20:27 ESV
“A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.”

1 Samuel 28:7-19 ESV
Then Saul said to his servants, “Seek out for me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her.” And his servants said to him, “Behold, there is a medium at En-dor.” So Saul disguised himself and put on other garments and went, he and two men with him. And they came to the woman by night. And he said, “Divine for me by a spirit and bring up for me whomever I shall name to you.” The woman said to him, “Surely you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off the mediums and the necromancers from the land. Why then are you laying a trap for my life to bring about my death?” But Saul swore to her by the Lord, “As the Lord lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing.” Then the woman said, “Whom shall I bring up for you?” He said, “Bring up Samuel for me.” ...

Revelation 21:8 ESV
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

1 Chronicles 10:13 ESV
So Saul died for his breach of faith. He broke faith with the Lord in that he did not keep the command of the Lord, and also consulted a medium, seeking guidance.

Deuteronomy 18:10 ESV
There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer

Deuteronomy 18:11 ESV
Or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead,

1 Timothy 4:1 ESV
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by dev****g themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

Deuteronomy 18:9-14 ESV
“When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an a*********n to the Lord. And because of these a*********ns the Lord your God is driving them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your God, ...

Deuteronomy 18:10-12 ESV
There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an a*********n to the Lord. And because of these a*********ns the Lord your God is driving them out before you.

Isaiah 19:3 ESV
And the spirit of the Egyptians within them will be emptied out, and I will confound their counsel; and they will inquire of the idols and the sorcerers, and the mediums and the necromancers;

2 Corinthians 11:14 ESV
And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

Romans 12:2 ESV
Do not be conformed to this world, but be t***sformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

Revelation 22:15 ESV
Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

John 16:13 ESV
When the Spirit of t***h comes, he will guide you into all the t***h, for he will not speak on his own authority, but wh**ever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

2 John 1:9-11 ESV
Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

1 Corinthians 2:14 ESV
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Good grief.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Do you ever pray for anyone? If so, you violate what you just wrote.