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Belief: "a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing": that is the opposite of Christianity
Dec 27, 2018 00:40:48   #
rumitoid
 
Trust or confidence always has conditions, and being of the mind cannot be trusted. We are to be one in Christ: nothing less. Fear, p***e, and ego will look righteous in belief, the right thing. "Christ in me, and I in him." To ask WWJD is an absurd and dangerous question. You think. Bad. Foolish. Taking this total "in Christ" as perhaps a bit much or an over-zealousness and not to be really expected of Christians. "Be practical," said the Pastor, "for crying out loud, this crowd in our church do not even know the words to basic hymns and such a severe stance would send them scurrying. We are providing milk for their growth." No, pablum.

The utterly radical nature of Christ is constantly be domesticated for membership. Who would show up next Sunday?

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Dec 27, 2018 02:36:00   #
JW
 
rumitoid wrote:
Trust or confidence always has conditions, and being of the mind cannot be trusted. We are to be one in Christ: nothing less. Fear, p***e, and ego will look righteous in belief, the right thing. "Christ in me, and I in him." To ask WWJD is an absurd and dangerous question. You think. Bad. Foolish. Taking this total "in Christ" as perhaps a bit much or an over-zealousness and not to be really expected of Christians. "Be practical," said the Pastor, "for crying out loud, this crowd in our church do not even know the words to basic hymns and such a severe stance would send them scurrying. We are providing milk for their growth." No, pablum.

The utterly radical nature of Christ is constantly be domesticated for membership. Who would show up next Sunday?
Trust or confidence always has conditions, and bei... (show quote)


Neither trust nor confidence have conditions. Both are built on experience and are evidence of the consistency of reliability of the thing or one being trusted or inspiring confidence.

Knowing the words to basic hymns is a matter of practice, nothing more. If it is imbued with a sense of doctrine it falls into what the Bible calls the futility of vain repetitions of heathens. Matthew 6:7

Your interpretations of the Bible leave a great deal to be desired.

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Dec 27, 2018 03:08:56   #
rumitoid
 
JW wrote:
Neither trust nor confidence have conditions. Both are built on experience and are evidence of the consistency of reliability of the thing or one being trusted or inspiring confidence.

Knowing the words to basic hymns is a matter of practice, nothing more. If it is imbued with a sense of doctrine it falls into what the Bible calls the futility of vain repetitions of heathens. Matthew 6:7

Your interpretations of the Bible leave a great deal to be desired.


So, neither trust nor confidence have conditions? Lol, built on experience is the very meaning of conditions. If trust or confidence had no conditions, were free to all we met--without experience, than there would be no criterion of experience. But you thoroughly miss the point I made. Sorry.

And it was sort of a joke about knowing the hymns. (Singing praises to the Lord has nothing to do with Mt6:7.) You never even approached what I had to say about the Bible, well, Christ. Read again.

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Dec 27, 2018 04:46:55   #
JW
 
rumitoid wrote:
So, neither trust nor confidence have conditions? Lol, built on experience is the very meaning of conditions. If trust or confidence had no conditions, were free to all we met--without experience, than there would be no criterion of experience. But you thoroughly miss the point I made. Sorry.

And it was sort of a joke about knowing the hymns. (Singing praises to the Lord has nothing to do with Mt6:7.) You never even approached what I had to say about the Bible, well, Christ. Read again.


Again, that subtle shift in context.

Trust and confidence are end state positions. They are not conditional. Both terms define/represent absolute intellectual positions. By the time trust and confidence are reached, all pertinent conditions have been met and no longer exist.

All you need is love makes excellent Beatles musical fodder but has no mandated status in Christian salvation. Your repeated emphasis on love is misplaced. I think I was clear when I said 'if you make hymns doctrinal'. Singing praises and/or chanting prayers are essentially the same things, in context. Both are for getting God's attention.

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Dec 28, 2018 19:08:54   #
rumitoid
 
JW wrote:
Again, that subtle shift in context.

Trust and confidence are end state positions. They are not conditional. Both terms define/represent absolute intellectual positions. By the time trust and confidence are reached, all pertinent conditions have been met and no longer exist.

All you need is love makes excellent Beatles musical fodder but has no mandated status in Christian salvation. Your repeated emphasis on love is misplaced. I think I was clear when I said 'if you make hymns doctrinal'. Singing praises and/or chanting prayers are essentially the same things, in context. Both are for getting God's attention.
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I very much like your comments about "end state positions," which is actually what I am trying to relate. There are certain stages, not proscribed or necessarily in order or needed, that lead, as you said, to "end state positions" (which does not mean we may not lapse occasionally or completely from them). My point is simply that belief creates a high though unconscious resistance to such states. The radical nature of grace is not thoroughly trusted. There is great suspicion and hesitancy about it. The ghastly or disturbing stories of those who said they were fully relying on grace for their words or deeds are legendary. So we take those as lessons, case in point. Yet there is no way to know if they actually did or not, just their questionable word.

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