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May 5, 2014 08:53:58   #
Patty
 
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/05/statecraft-or-witchcraft.html

How was the spell broken? Nothing stings quite as well as a resounding defeat on the international stage. Those who thought they were in control have just suffered a major defeat. On Ukraine so far, it's Russia 1, US Oligarchy 0: Crimea is once again Russian, the t***sfer of sovereignty happened peacefully and in accordance with the internationally recognized principle of self-determination, and this defeat is so embarrassing that nobody even wants to talk about Crimea any more. It's a done deal.

More defeats follow, as the boomerang effect of sanctions imposed on Russia. The US will not be able to withdraw from Afghanistan via the safe northern route that runs through Russia; instead, the endless convoys will have to run the gauntlet through Pakistan where the locals, incensed by endless drone attacks on their weddings and funerals, will do their best to blow them up. The US will not be able to launch military satellites, because the Atlas V rockets won't fly without the Russian-built RD-180 engines, for which there is no replacement. Nor is it likely that, as things escalate, US astronauts will still be able to get up to the International Space Station, since that requires a trip on the Russian Soyuz.

Not that the Russians have a lot of time for this nonsense. They are busy negotiating deals, like the oil barter deal with Iran which neatly circumvents the sanctions; like the long-term natural gas supply deal with China; and quite a few others. For example, Russia and China agreed to build a canal through Nicaragua, which will supplant the Pentagon-controlled Panama canal. Nicaragua will also get a GLONASS ground station (Russian-Indian replacement for the Pentagon-controlled GPS system), plus a Russian military base, to make sure that the US doesn't decide that it can do something about any of this. Nearby, Russia forgave $90 billion of Soviet-era Cuban debt, reestablishing close relations between Russia and Cuba and opening up Cuba to large-scale Russian investment. Russian companies will be developing Cuba's offshore oil and gas fields.

No doubt, the US would love to counter these moves, but it can't because it doesn't have the talent. Most of the experienced, professional diplomats quit in disgust during Bush Jr.'s reign, when they were forced to continually lie to the whole world about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now the diplomatic corps is loaded with incompetents whose only credentials are that they raised lots of money for Obama's e******n campaigns. At the next changing of the guard they will be replaced with the next crop of amateurs. It is little wonder that they are losing.

But these people are unaccustomed to being defeated, and defeat makes them livid and hysterical, and then they go and wax apoplectic in public, yelling and screeching and spraying saliva. You can tell that their minds have snapped when they start comparing everyone to Adolf Hitler. And you can see it all right on television. Meanwhile, the vast majority of the population in the US is perplexed. Except for the Lost Plane Channel formerly known as CNN, commentators on all the major news channels, even the super-blockheaded Fox News, are wondering aloud: “What the hell are we doing in Ukraine?” Well, we are trying to safeguard the interests of the Rockefellers and the Rothchilds, to be sure, but how does knowing that help you?

“How well is that going?” you might ask. Well by now all of eastern and southern Ukraine is in open revolt against the US-appointed junta in Kiev. The neo-N**i “Right Sector” initially supported the junta and helped with the putsch that o*******w the democratically elected government. But then one of the “Right Sector” leaders, Sashko Bily got shot, most likely for opposing a plan to import a trainload of nuclear waste from the EU and dump it on the ground near Chernobyl. That train is still stuck on the Ukrainian border. Now the junta leaders are shaking in their boots because the “Right Sector” could stage another c**p, this time against them.

How does the US react? It sends CIA Director Brennan to Kiev. Brenner orders the junta to attack their own citizens in the east, in an “anti-terrorist” operation.

“K**l them! K**l them all!” says Brenner, but Ukrainian soldiers refuse to fire on their own people and defect in droves.
Next, the US sends in their secret weapon, VP Joe Biden.

“K**l them! K**l them all!” says Biden, with similar results. What is the US to do? I think that only one choice remains: send in Senator John McCain.

If there is anyone who can scare the Ukrainians into fighting a fratricidal war, it's McCain. But what if that too fails?

Well, then the people in eastern and southern Ukraine may get their way. They are just some Russians—millions of them—who got stuck on the wrong side of the Russian border for over two decades. They aren't sure about everything—such as whether they want to join Russia. (They probably do simply because the pay is so much better on the Russian side.) But they are sure about one thing: they don't want to live under a foreign occupation run by a US-appointed junta for the benefit of a bunch of oligarchs.



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May 5, 2014 10:15:28   #
oldladyfromwaco
 
Patty wrote:
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/05/statecraft-or-witchcraft.html

How was the spell broken? Nothing stings quite as well as a resounding defeat on the international stage. Those who thought they were in control have just suffered a major defeat. On Ukraine so far, it's Russia 1, US Oligarchy 0: Crimea is once again Russian, the t***sfer of sovereignty happened peacefully and in accordance with the internationally recognized principle of self-determination, and this defeat is so embarrassing that nobody even wants to talk about Crimea any more. It's a done deal.

More defeats follow, as the boomerang effect of sanctions imposed on Russia. The US will not be able to withdraw from Afghanistan via the safe northern route that runs through Russia; instead, the endless convoys will have to run the gauntlet through Pakistan where the locals, incensed by endless drone attacks on their weddings and funerals, will do their best to blow them up. The US will not be able to launch military satellites, because the Atlas V rockets won't fly without the Russian-built RD-180 engines, for which there is no replacement. Nor is it likely that, as things escalate, US astronauts will still be able to get up to the International Space Station, since that requires a trip on the Russian Soyuz.

Not that the Russians have a lot of time for this nonsense. They are busy negotiating deals, like the oil barter deal with Iran which neatly circumvents the sanctions; like the long-term natural gas supply deal with China; and quite a few others. For example, Russia and China agreed to build a canal through Nicaragua, which will supplant the Pentagon-controlled Panama canal. Nicaragua will also get a GLONASS ground station (Russian-Indian replacement for the Pentagon-controlled GPS system), plus a Russian military base, to make sure that the US doesn't decide that it can do something about any of this. Nearby, Russia forgave $90 billion of Soviet-era Cuban debt, reestablishing close relations between Russia and Cuba and opening up Cuba to large-scale Russian investment. Russian companies will be developing Cuba's offshore oil and gas fields.

No doubt, the US would love to counter these moves, but it can't because it doesn't have the talent. Most of the experienced, professional diplomats quit in disgust during Bush Jr.'s reign, when they were forced to continually lie to the whole world about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now the diplomatic corps is loaded with incompetents whose only credentials are that they raised lots of money for Obama's e******n campaigns. At the next changing of the guard they will be replaced with the next crop of amateurs. It is little wonder that they are losing.

But these people are unaccustomed to being defeated, and defeat makes them livid and hysterical, and then they go and wax apoplectic in public, yelling and screeching and spraying saliva. You can tell that their minds have snapped when they start comparing everyone to Adolf Hitler. And you can see it all right on television. Meanwhile, the vast majority of the population in the US is perplexed. Except for the Lost Plane Channel formerly known as CNN, commentators on all the major news channels, even the super-blockheaded Fox News, are wondering aloud: “What the hell are we doing in Ukraine?” Well, we are trying to safeguard the interests of the Rockefellers and the Rothchilds, to be sure, but how does knowing that help you?

“How well is that going?” you might ask. Well by now all of eastern and southern Ukraine is in open revolt against the US-appointed junta in Kiev. The neo-N**i “Right Sector” initially supported the junta and helped with the putsch that o*******w the democratically elected government. But then one of the “Right Sector” leaders, Sashko Bily got shot, most likely for opposing a plan to import a trainload of nuclear waste from the EU and dump it on the ground near Chernobyl. That train is still stuck on the Ukrainian border. Now the junta leaders are shaking in their boots because the “Right Sector” could stage another c**p, this time against them.

How does the US react? It sends CIA Director Brennan to Kiev. Brenner orders the junta to attack their own citizens in the east, in an “anti-terrorist” operation.

“K**l them! K**l them all!” says Brenner, but Ukrainian soldiers refuse to fire on their own people and defect in droves.
Next, the US sends in their secret weapon, VP Joe Biden.

“K**l them! K**l them all!” says Biden, with similar results. What is the US to do? I think that only one choice remains: send in Senator John McCain.

If there is anyone who can scare the Ukrainians into fighting a fratricidal war, it's McCain. But what if that too fails?

Well, then the people in eastern and southern Ukraine may get their way. They are just some Russians—millions of them—who got stuck on the wrong side of the Russian border for over two decades. They aren't sure about everything—such as whether they want to join Russia. (They probably do simply because the pay is so much better on the Russian side.) But they are sure about one thing: they don't want to live under a foreign occupation run by a US-appointed junta for the benefit of a bunch of oligarchs.
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/05/statecraft-o... (show quote)


It's just another "operation" using the US as a puppet to satisfy the greed of the European bankers, the billionaires, etc.....war, war, and more war.

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May 5, 2014 10:22:30   #
jay-are
 
Patty wrote:
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/05/statecraft-or-witchcraft.html

How was the spell broken? Nothing stings quite as well as a resounding defeat on the international stage. Those who thought they were in control have just suffered a major defeat. On Ukraine so far, it's Russia 1, US Oligarchy 0: Crimea is once again Russian, the t***sfer of sovereignty happened peacefully and in accordance with the internationally recognized principle of self-determination, and this defeat is so embarrassing that nobody even wants to talk about Crimea any more. It's a done deal.

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/05/statecraft-o... (show quote)


And Obama and the US oligarchy were put in power with the internationally recognized principle of self-determination, so if that is good, then you have to be happy with what Obama and the US oligarchy are doing. They lost the first round, but we approve of them because they were put in power with the internationally recognized principle of self-determination. Right?

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May 5, 2014 10:37:07   #
Patty
 
No but they had a plan going to impeach Yanukovych even Putin called him corrupt.
We should not have been using NGO's in this country to put into office who we want there. You do know that Washington has already stolen the Ukrainian people gold.
http://www.hangthebankers.com/ukraines-gold-reserves-sent-to-ny-federal-reserve/
Like Putin said "It is none of our business and we should stay out of it"

Nuland and here leaked phone conversation that clearly stated that we were behind the protests to force a non democratic regime change was the proof that we were interfering.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

Then the leaked phone call where Paet told Ashton that we were behind the first attack that k**led 100 people with regime paid snipers .
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/05/world/europe/ukraine-leaked-audio-recording/index.html

Then when Tymoshenko got caught in another leaked phone call saying she was going to k**l the 8 million Russians left in Ukraine Putin had to say " Enough, you will not k**l Russians there"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6RxSzSWbcxo

Its a mess and the West was the ones who created it with their hegemony plans to surround Russias Western border.

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May 5, 2014 11:24:48   #
jay-are
 
Patty wrote:
No but they had a plan going to impeach Yanukovych even Putin called him corrupt.
We should not have been using NGO's in this country to put into office who we want there. You do know that Washington has already stolen the Ukrainian people gold.



You established the criteria for legitimacy of action in the Ukrainian situation. You said that the internationally recognized principle of self-determination is what legitimizes any outcome, and therefore the Crimea outcome is legitimate.

Are you willing now to take back the criteria that you established in your first post?

Unless you are willing to take back your assertion that the internationally recognized principle of self-determination legitimizes what happens in Ukraine, you must accept that what the US does is legitimate, because the US leader was elected through the internationally recognized principle of self-determination. So are you now going to scrap the claim of the internationally recognized principle of self-determination, and discuss the merits of the arguments about what is best for the Ukraine and its people?

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May 5, 2014 12:49:05   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
Patty wrote:
Like Putin said "It is none of our business and we should stay out of it"

Then when Tymoshenko got caught in another leaked phone call saying she was going to k**l the 8 million Russians left in Ukraine Putin had to say " Enough, you will not k**l Russians there"


Putin's Patty really does like to quote Putty's exact words? Did he really say, "It is none of our business and we should stay out of it"? ...I don't think so...he said YOUR and YOU...except in Russian, and somehow as Pitter Patters was pattering around t***slating Putin's words and applying them to us, there was some confusion in quoting the wording. How strange. How very strange. Any explanation in the confusion of the quotation, Pitter Patters? :XD: :XD: :XD:

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May 5, 2014 13:09:08   #
Patty
 
You haven't written me a nursery rhyme for a couple days. See if you can top this one in immaturity.
"Pattycake, pattycake,
Putin's propaganda...
"Pat" it and twist it
As fast as you can...
F**e it on the forum
For Russia and Putty."

jonhatfield wrote:
Putin's Patty really does like to quote Putty's exact words? Did he really say, "It is none of our business and we should stay out of it"? ...I don't think so...he said YOUR and YOU...except in Russian, and somehow as Pitter Patters was pattering around t***slating Putin's words and applying them to us, there was some confusion in quoting the wording. How strange. How very strange. Any explanation in the confusion of the quotation, Pitter Patters? :XD: :XD: :XD:

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May 5, 2014 13:50:28   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
Patty wrote:
You haven't written me a nursery rhyme for a couple days. See if you can top this one in immaturity.
"Pattycake, pattycake,
Putin's propaganda...
"Pat" it and twist it
As fast as you can...
F**e it on the forum
For Russia and Putty."


Since you ask....

Putin had a little Patty,
Its baa''s as loud as Moscow moo's...
And everywhere that Patty went,
Everything that Putin sent,
Little Patty baaed out as news...

Any more suggestions for your "toy," Little Putin Patterpatter?

:XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD:

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May 5, 2014 13:53:58   #
Patty
 
Yes, you are doing so well keep going.



jonhatfield wrote:
Since you ask....

Putin had a little Patty,
Its baa''s as loud as Moscow moo's...
And everywhere that Patty went,
Everything that Putin sent,
Little Patty baaed out as news...

Any more suggestions for your "toy," Little Putin Patterpatter?

:XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD: :XD:



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