Lena

When I make a faux pas, its jumped on and i am torn apart. When i make articulate, proveable, valid statements, they are totaly ignored. Thats what libs do. Sad because its such a mess and it only proves that most people just wanna h**e. No real discussions on faith, politics, world and home economy. In the end, it really doesnt because the workd is gonna shake us off like fleas on a dog.

Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas

As I have reminded many who have spoken such words as yours. This is not your comfort zone. I have read many of the verbal skirmishes that you have been involved in. Quite frankly, your strategies are weak and your adversaries have literally mopped up the floor with you. I tried to offer you help once, and you ignored it. You should first realize that, political discourse is a virtual verbal battlefield. You have entered the fray with zero armor, no allies, and as I stated, very weak strategies. Don't be too proud to accept assistance.

Patty

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Lena

It was an observation. Not a complaint. An observation that my valid points are ignored. I came here for discussion. No one wants to discuss. Or, rather, very few. I did not ignor your help. I happen to be learning internet. I dont need comfort or i wouldnt have come here. We are in a battle for the future of America.

Lena

Nobody mopped floor floor with me. None addressed the point only became defensive and thought i was raggin on them. Thank you for your input. My point was. This is useless.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Honesty, I would love to discuss any of the subjects you listed. I just have been involved with other discussions and did not read your topics. It was not intended as a slight to you or anyone.

Your comments and topics are just as valid as anyone else's. There are those that have mopped the floor with my comments or threads, it is not personal. There will always be those that oppose and those that agree; just take the discussions as they come. Do keep posting and perhaps I will join in and I am sure as your reputation grows as being a thoughtful poster you will have more people joining in. Again, do not take opposition as a personal affront; just look at it as an opportunity to state your views in logical, well thought out rebuttals. I wish you well.

endofdays2014

I am very new here and am still feeling things out. Having said that i can not confirm nore deny the issues you point out with lema. What i can do is say that i myself have posted many facts and one thread with links to very good sorces. I have noticed that as lema is pointing out there has been almost no response to my many threads. I suspect part of the issue is that i am not handing links in the thread leading right to my topic and since confermation of my facts isnt made easy they are dismissed. I certainly could be wrong but given the fact that only 2 ppl have made a post pertaining to info from the leads i gave and the fact that i have read several threads that completely leave topic to bash certain ppl for pages i have to agree with lemas assessment.

No one is perfect but like it or not we are all in the 11hr and frankly if all ppl here want to do is complain and argue about individual issues that no longer matter as they will not be solved at this point.
Dont get me wrong, im not saying this isnt a good place to talk or that ppl here dont have good info and points. What im saying is that as was pointed out in this thread, we should be making battle plans. We should be discussing what is coming not the petty reasons its coming cause we cant change those. But we can change their plans, the outcome of things to come.
I said it in another thread.... it is not only our right but our duty to take our country back. And i truly dont mean to sound snotty, i really dont but b***hing about what senator so and so did yesterday gets us nowhere at all. Have any of you ever since childhood resolved or fixed and issue by complaining? Its true, the government is corrupt. There are probably 3 ppl on earth that would contest that so wouldnt it be more to our goal, our benifit to discuss things with meat???

All said and intended with the utmost respect and concern.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Allow me to welcome you to OPP. I am sure that your comments and thoughts will be read and many appreciated or at worst contested. Yes, there are those that come to OPP with large chips on their shoulders and only want to fight, argue, name call and such! There are, however many people that do remain on subject and will read your topics and sources. I read the sources, in particular of those that are posted that I do not agree. Then I research what is inside the link and there are times that my opinions are changed. Many times I will find biased reporting. Regardless, there are times that I agree that the link supports the position and if I have nothing to add, I just go on. All I can suggest, is keep putting your comments and the links out there. Don't let your candle be snuffed...let it shine!

Kevyn

OPP is populated primarily by conservitive posters with quite a few really reactionary parinoid zealots, there are a few people in the center of the political spectrum and some liberals but for the most part if you post h**e of non Christians, gripe about how as an upper middle class white guy in this country you are getting screwed and revel in your hatred for our president who is obvious to any thinking person a C*******t from Kenya installed in an illeagle c**p d'état you will find many fellow travelers. If you do not want to be called out by progressives for what you post use respected sources not nut job anti government conspiracy websites.

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

Lena,
As one of the ones who has "jumped on" you, I would like to comment, too.

It sound like you're crying, "poor, poor, pitiful me,", even though you say you're not. Wolf Blitzer gave you some sage advice, and, again, you blew him off. You and I have argued your "articulate, proveable, valid statements," and I can tell you, they are not at all as you describe them. If they were as you describe, it wouldn't be impossible, but it would be more difficult to argue them. If you were ignored, there wouldn't be anyone arguing with you. Your post would die a lonely death.

Speaking as a moderate, hating isn't a quality, reserved for liberals, only. In my short time here, I've read many conservatives calling liberals, and me, childish, h**eful names - you included. In my responses to you, have I ever called you a derogatory name?

If you want a serious discussion on politics, religion, home and world economy, you need to present facts and figures that I, and others who respond, can verify. I don't accept something just because you wrote it.

We have argued Biblical matters. And for every passage you used for your arguments, I replied with at lease two to counter you. Plus, you even implied, in a rather negative sense, that the KJV was written, in part, by Catholics. In that, you demonstrated that your Bible knowledge is sorely lacking.

FYI- (the following is from Wikipedia and verified by a few other sources I have from when I taught a 6-week Sunday School class on the origin of the Bible.)

King James gave the t***slators instructions intended to guarantee that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its belief in an ordained clergy. The t***slation was done by 47 scholars, all of whom were members of the Church of England (See! No Catholics were involved). In common with most other t***slations of the period, the New Testament was t***slated from Greek, the Old Testament was t***slated from Hebrew text, while the Apocrypha were t***slated from the Greek and Latin.

So, please, don't go crying that you're being picked on. I felt your postings were full of inaccuracies and was attempting to show you where you were wrong. Plus, calling people names doesn't win you any converts. It simply causes them to dig their heels in a lot deeper and shows them you've run out of viable arguments.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I do not know of the first part of your comment, however I fully agree with your closing statement "Plus, calling people names doesn't win you any converts. It simply causes them to dig their heels in a lot deeper and shows them you've run out of viable arguments". Name calling really show ignorance and intolerance; a child's way of presenting an unfounded or poorly stated position.

Serenity54321

Lena, this is what I recommend:

When you make a position, provide a source for that information.

For example:
ACCORDING TO (source such as Birther.com) Obama is a Kenyan.
OR
The (source, such as the census bureau) recently released report # ----- stating that there are now more families on welfare than there are females that work full-time.
OR
If you don't have a source, "In my opinion Obama is a t*****r."

(These are suggestions on how to phrase things, not representative of what I believe.)

Wh**ever your argument is, You simply cannot make blanket statements without quoting a source for others to look up or research. If you do, you make it appear you have nothing to back up your facts. Simply stating "You cannot dispute unemployment is too high." Does not mean ANYTHING! Where did you get the information that unemployment was too high? From a website, a newspaper article, or just because someone told you? YOU MUST ALWAYS STATE a source.

If you don't, you will keep getting the same reactions you have been getting.

Welcome aboard.

saveamerica Loc: Texas

Lena, you have to have thick skin to be on this site and you have to stand up for what you believe, bring plenty of facts and support for what you have to say, if not, you have nothing to back up what you are saying.
If you believe it is true than stand your ground and don't let what they say bother you.
Best of luck and keep your chin up.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

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mkewlkez

Not to worry Lena. Just let them rant and rave about nonsense stuff. Sure, I h**e what the government is doing to our country and I too am s**k of all the lies and deceptions plus the Draconian laws recently enacted to better line their pockets. As you know, there are plenty of h**ers and whiners on this site. They will never go away. Pay them no mind and speak your own mind! :thumbup: :roll: :-D :hunf: