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Dec 9, 2018 13:03:32   #
Seth
 
JoyV wrote:
There is a difference between investment holdings and a business. You can put your own investments in a blind trust. You cannot put a business of which you are not the sole owner in a blind trust.
1) Jimmy Carter was the owner of a peanut farm. He was not one of multiple owners.
2) Reagan owned investment properties--NOT a business. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ronald-reagans-millions-58017/
3) G.H.W. Bush sold his share of his oil business long before becoming President. He had investments which he placed in a blind trust. He did NOT place a multi-owned business in a blind trust. http://time.com/money/5254581/george-hw-bush-net-worth/
4) G. W. Bush sold out of his business holdings. The last being in 1988. There was NO business to put in a blind trust! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_life_of_George_W._Bush
5) Obama. What business?????

None of your examples include any multi-owned businesses put in a blind trust.
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"Obama. What business?????"

An equal opportunity business, half Ayatollah Ruhallah Khomeini and half Karl Marx.

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Dec 9, 2018 13:08:15   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Seth wrote:
"Obama. What business?????"

An equal opportunity business, half Ayatollah Ruhallah Khomeini and half Karl Marx.


As you moonbats ignore the real pay for play of demwits, clown biden, lurch kerry, and the champs b***h clinton and her slickwilly...100% blind mellon chitlen.

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Dec 9, 2018 13:26:05   #
Seth
 
buffalo wrote:
As you moonbats ignore the real pay for play of demwits, clown biden, lurch kerry, and the champs b***h clinton and her slickwilly...100% blind mellon chitlen.


Hillary the Walking Crime Wave© is the World Champion of Pay to Play®, she probably had a cash register in her office at State, but her greatest financial triumph was Uranium One.

Somehow, when "progressives" mention pay to play or corruption, they fail to bring up Hillary's name, though I'm sure it's just "an oversight."

If it isn't, it means they are pro-corruption, pro-treason and pro-making a mockery of America.

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Dec 9, 2018 21:45:34   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Seth wrote:
Hillary the Walking Crime Wave© is the World Champion of Pay to Play®, she probably had a cash register in her office at State, but her greatest financial triumph was Uranium One.

Somehow, when "progressives" mention pay to play or corruption, they fail to bring up Hillary's name, though I'm sure it's just "an oversight."

If it isn't, it means they are pro-corruption, pro-treason and pro-making a mockery of America.


That won't last long. Mueller and his democratic hit squad will soon be over rather or not he wants it to be or not.

Coming in January a new Attorney General will take office. Mueller and his democrat hit squad will be toast. A new special investigator will be appointed to investigate the uranium sale to the Russians.

Mueller committed treason when he delievered the uranium sample to the Russians and Hillary Clinton committed treasonn by the unauthorized sale of the uranium to the Russians.

Then the email case will be reopened and ex-FBI agents will be indicted along with Hillary. The Republicans will be looking into a lot of cases.

2019 will be intresting becayse the Democrats can not stop the investigations. Deals will be cut for lenient sentences.

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Dec 9, 2018 21:56:49   #
Seth
 
old marine wrote:
That won't last long. Mueller and his democratic hit squad will soon be over rather or not he wants it to be or not.

Coming in January a new Attorney General will take office. Mueller and his democrat hit squad will be toast. A new special investigator will be appointed to investigate the uranium sale to the Russians.

Mueller committed treason when he delievered the uranium sample to the Russians and Hillary Clinton committed treasonn by the unauthorized sale of the uranium to the Russians.

Then the email case will be reopened and ex-FBI agents will be indicted along with Hillary. The Republicans will be looking into a lot of cases.

2019 will be intresting becayse the Democrats can not stop the investigations. Deals will be cut for lenient sentences.
That won't last long. Mueller and his democratic h... (show quote)


I look forward to seeing some real justice delivered to these people.

I wonder if Hillary will wail, weep and gnash her razor sharp teeth as she gives her newfound friends in the cellblock daily additions and upgrades, month after month, on whose fault it is that her chickens came home to roost.

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Dec 9, 2018 22:03:56   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
JoyV wrote:
Emoluments Clause.
Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution,[1] that prohibits the federal government from granting titles of nobility, and restricts members of the government from receiving gifts, emoluments, offices or titles from foreign states and monarchies without the consent of the United States Congress. Also known as the Emoluments Clause, it was designed to shield the republican character of the United States against so-called "corrupting foreign influences."

This was NOT written for the President. It was written for members of the government.

As for Obama removing a gift, in order to comply with the Clause's prohibition on accepting presents from foreign governments, the President of the United States has traditionally sought permission from Congress to keep the present himself. Absent permission, the President will deposit the present with the Department of State. For example, Andrew Jackson sought permission from Congress to keep a gold medal presented by Simon Bolivar; Congress refused to grant consent, and so Jackson deposited the medal with the Department of State. Martin Van Buren and John Tyler received gifts from the Imam of Muscat, for which they received congressional authorization either to t***sfer them to the United States Government or to auction them with proceeds vesting to the United States Treasury.

A foreign official paying for a hotel room of a hotel owned by a United States President; is NOT a gift! Yet the profits from renting rooms to foreign dignitaries HAVE been donated to the United States
Treasury. So the question of whether or not profits are emoluments or not is moot!

What Obama audits? If you mean all the audits Obama had the IRS do on conservative groups, then are you wanting Trump to usurp the same authority to have left wing groups audited?

As for how much the Obama's spent in travels; they have never been audited for them. In fact the figures were only released after Judicial Watch freedom of information request was granted less than a year ago. His tab came to $99,714,527.82. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/final-obama-travel-tab-100-million
The MSM usually counted Obama's travel expenses as just the actual costs for the family and leave out security costs, secret service food and rooms, costs of closing landmarks to the public, costs of rerouting traffic, and other peripheral expenses; while including all of the above for Trump.

BTW, Trump has been audited by the IRS several times. Whether his outspoken criticism of the Obama and G W Bush administrations, or his questioning of Obama's birthplace had anything to do with the audits I will leave for others to investigate. But that he WAS audited multiple times is not in question.
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“This was NOT written for the President. It was written for members of the government.”

That is one really ignorant comment. You have just proven that you have ZERO understanding of how our government functions. Just who do you think is ⅓ of our government? Hint: IT’S THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, A.K.A the PRESIDENT!

As such, the Emoluments Clause DOES include him.

As to how much Obama’s vacations cost the government, Judicial Watch says the cost of Obama's vacations throughout his eight years in office totaled nearly $100 million (very close to your figure), which averages out to $12.5 million a year. If Obama incurred those costs at a linear rate, he would have spent about $19.79 million by August of 2010 (i.e. his first 19 months in office). The conservative estimate of Trump's travel expenses over the same time frame exceeds that by $4 MILLION dollars.

Also, Trumpet claimed, during the campaign, that Obama played golf too much; that he would spend all of his time governing. FYI: NBC’s “Golf Channel” reported early in 2017 that Barack Obama had played 333 rounds as president and averaged 41 rounds per year. CNN noted at the end of 2017 that Donald Trump could be on track to triple Obama’s time on the course.

Politifact reports that since taking office, Donald Trump has made regular visits to HIS own golf clubs in Florida and Virginia. CNN reported in January 2018 that in his first year in office, Donald Trump spent 95 days playing golf at HIS signature golf clubs. BY doing so, Trumpet was able to charge the government for the room and board of the Secret Service, the Coast Guard, the cost of Air Force 1, and his usual entourage of aides and assistants, estimated to be over $3.5 MILLION for each trip.

So, care to continue to say Trumpet isn’t wasting our money? And, he’s not even 2 years into his term.

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Dec 9, 2018 23:13:29   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
alabuck wrote:
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“This was NOT written for the President. It was written for members of the government.”

That is one really ignorant comment. You have just proven that you have ZERO understanding of how our government functions. Just who do you think is ⅓ of our government? Hint: IT’S THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, A.K.A the PRESIDENT!

As such, the Emoluments Clause DOES include him.

As to how much Obama’s vacations cost the government, Judicial Watch says the cost of Obama's vacations throughout his eight years in office totaled nearly $100 million (very close to your figure), which averages out to $12.5 million a year. If Obama incurred those costs at a linear rate, he would have spent about $19.79 million by August of 2010 (i.e. his first 19 months in office). The conservative estimate of Trump's travel expenses over the same time frame exceeds that by $4 MILLION dollars.

Also, Trumpet claimed, during the campaign, that Obama played golf too much; that he would spend all of his time governing. FYI: NBC’s “Golf Channel” reported early in 2017 that Barack Obama had played 333 rounds as president and averaged 41 rounds per year. CNN noted at the end of 2017 that Donald Trump could be on track to triple Obama’s time on the course.

Politifact reports that since taking office, Donald Trump has made regular visits to HIS own golf clubs in Florida and Virginia. CNN reported in January 2018 that in his first year in office, Donald Trump spent 95 days playing golf at HIS signature golf clubs. BY doing so, Trumpet was able to charge the government for the room and board of the Secret Service, the Coast Guard, the cost of Air Force 1, and his usual entourage of aides and assistants, estimated to be over $3.5 MILLION for each trip.

So, care to continue to say Trumpet isn’t wasting our money? And, he’s not even 2 years into his term.
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The secret service is required to pay for their hotel room and food by the law. It can not be given free so there won't appear to be improper.

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Dec 9, 2018 23:35:02   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
I personally believe the entire golf crap was overblown for Obama and all Presidents. Most high pressure job in the world and many of their golf outings include work. Real vacations are a different matter. Haven’t looked at any figures from them. Remember when Presidents all went to camp David?
alabuck wrote:
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“This was NOT written for the President. It was written for members of the government.”

That is one really ignorant comment. You have just proven that you have ZERO understanding of how our government functions. Just who do you think is ⅓ of our government? Hint: IT’S THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, A.K.A the PRESIDENT!

As such, the Emoluments Clause DOES include him.

As to how much Obama’s vacations cost the government, Judicial Watch says the cost of Obama's vacations throughout his eight years in office totaled nearly $100 million (very close to your figure), which averages out to $12.5 million a year. If Obama incurred those costs at a linear rate, he would have spent about $19.79 million by August of 2010 (i.e. his first 19 months in office). The conservative estimate of Trump's travel expenses over the same time frame exceeds that by $4 MILLION dollars.

Also, Trumpet claimed, during the campaign, that Obama played golf too much; that he would spend all of his time governing. FYI: NBC’s “Golf Channel” reported early in 2017 that Barack Obama had played 333 rounds as president and averaged 41 rounds per year. CNN noted at the end of 2017 that Donald Trump could be on track to triple Obama’s time on the course.

Politifact reports that since taking office, Donald Trump has made regular visits to HIS own golf clubs in Florida and Virginia. CNN reported in January 2018 that in his first year in office, Donald Trump spent 95 days playing golf at HIS signature golf clubs. BY doing so, Trumpet was able to charge the government for the room and board of the Secret Service, the Coast Guard, the cost of Air Force 1, and his usual entourage of aides and assistants, estimated to be over $3.5 MILLION for each trip.

So, care to continue to say Trumpet isn’t wasting our money? And, he’s not even 2 years into his term.
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Dec 9, 2018 23:36:08   #
JoyV
 
alabuck wrote:
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“This was NOT written for the President. It was written for members of the government.”

That is one really ignorant comment. You have just proven that you have ZERO understanding of how our government functions. Just who do you think is ⅓ of our government? Hint: IT’S THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, A.K.A the PRESIDENT!

As such, the Emoluments Clause DOES include him.

As to how much Obama’s vacations cost the government, Judicial Watch says the cost of Obama's vacations throughout his eight years in office totaled nearly $100 million (very close to your figure), which averages out to $12.5 million a year. If Obama incurred those costs at a linear rate, he would have spent about $19.79 million by August of 2010 (i.e. his first 19 months in office). The conservative estimate of Trump's travel expenses over the same time frame exceeds that by $4 MILLION dollars.

Also, Trumpet claimed, during the campaign, that Obama played golf too much; that he would spend all of his time governing. FYI: NBC’s “Golf Channel” reported early in 2017 that Barack Obama had played 333 rounds as president and averaged 41 rounds per year. CNN noted at the end of 2017 that Donald Trump could be on track to triple Obama’s time on the course.

Politifact reports that since taking office, Donald Trump has made regular visits to HIS own golf clubs in Florida and Virginia. CNN reported in January 2018 that in his first year in office, Donald Trump spent 95 days playing golf at HIS signature golf clubs. BY doing so, Trumpet was able to charge the government for the room and board of the Secret Service, the Coast Guard, the cost of Air Force 1, and his usual entourage of aides and assistants, estimated to be over $3.5 MILLION for each trip.

So, care to continue to say Trumpet isn’t wasting our money? And, he’s not even 2 years into his term.
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Again you fail to account for the fact that Trump has working golf games. Meetings held informally over a game of golf. Obama's golf games were NOT working games. I'm not going to claim anyone in our government has not wasted any taxpayers money. But looking at the costs incurred, if it is wasted, far less is being wasted under Trump than under Obama. This is not simply my opinion or wishful thinking. The numbers back me up. Trump has cut out a lot of waste and reduced how much is charged for large expenses. The first big example was initiated during the t***sition phase when he challenged the price tag of the new Air Force One jet. This set the stage for reducing wasteful spending.

How much will be spent on Trump's trips for the duration of his presidency can only be guesstimated. If you take what was spent during his first 6 months and project that to cover 8 years at the same rate as the first 6 months was; you will get a higher figure than if you take what has been spent to date and project at that average rate. If the travel expenses continue the trend of reducing, it will be even less. If there is an upward spike in travel expenses; then the total will be higher. What I used was taken from what has been spent so far (almost 2 years) and multiplied that figure by 4. It might turn out to be far lower of far higher. Only time will tell.

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Dec 9, 2018 23:44:48   #
JoyV
 
alabuck wrote:
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“This was NOT written for the President. It was written for members of the government.”

That is one really ignorant comment. You have just proven that you have ZERO understanding of how our government functions. Just who do you think is ⅓ of our government? Hint: IT’S THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, A.K.A the PRESIDENT!

As such, the Emoluments Clause DOES include him.

As to how much Obama’s vacations cost the government, Judicial Watch says the cost of Obama's vacations throughout his eight years in office totaled nearly $100 million (very close to your figure), which averages out to $12.5 million a year. If Obama incurred those costs at a linear rate, he would have spent about $19.79 million by August of 2010 (i.e. his first 19 months in office). The conservative estimate of Trump's travel expenses over the same time frame exceeds that by $4 MILLION dollars.

Also, Trumpet claimed, during the campaign, that Obama played golf too much; that he would spend all of his time governing. FYI: NBC’s “Golf Channel” reported early in 2017 that Barack Obama had played 333 rounds as president and averaged 41 rounds per year. CNN noted at the end of 2017 that Donald Trump could be on track to triple Obama’s time on the course.

Politifact reports that since taking office, Donald Trump has made regular visits to HIS own golf clubs in Florida and Virginia. CNN reported in January 2018 that in his first year in office, Donald Trump spent 95 days playing golf at HIS signature golf clubs. BY doing so, Trumpet was able to charge the government for the room and board of the Secret Service, the Coast Guard, the cost of Air Force 1, and his usual entourage of aides and assistants, estimated to be over $3.5 MILLION for each trip.

So, care to continue to say Trumpet isn’t wasting our money? And, he’s not even 2 years into his term.
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As for my saying the emoluments clause was not written FOR the President, I stand by that assertion. I was responding to the assertion that the emoluments clause was written specifically for the President. It was not specific to the president but covered ALL members of our government. I did not think it necessarily to list each member of our government by either name or office, nor to spell out that the President of the United States of America just so happens to be a member of the government of the United States of America.

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Dec 9, 2018 23:48:50   #
JoyV
 
old marine wrote:
The secret service is required to pay for their hotel room and food by the law. It can not be given free so there won't appear to be improper.


Very true. Trump found a solution at least in part. Whenever they are housed at a Trump property, the profits made from the rentals, meals, etc; are donated each quarter to our government.

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Dec 10, 2018 11:06:09   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
JFlorio wrote:
I personally believe the entire golf crap was overblown for Obama and all Presidents. Most high pressure job in the world and many of their golf outings include work. Real vacations are a different matter. Haven’t looked at any figures from them. Remember when Presidents all went to camp David?


Yes, and i remember the first yesr Obama was in office, Michelle and her whole family and all their friends used Airforce one to take a world wide vacation on the taxpayers dime.

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Dec 10, 2018 11:09:53   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
JoyV wrote:
Very true. Trump found a solution at least in part. Whenever they are housed at a Trump property, the profits made from the rentals, meals, etc; are donated each quarter to our government.


True.

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