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Dec 8, 2018 09:58:23   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Seth wrote:
You mean... You meannnn... Are you trying to infer that 100 million dollars' worth of golfing vacations in Hawaii weren't part of Obama's job description?

-- "Wow, and all this time I thought..."

You mean... You meannnn... Are you trying to infer... (show quote)


He was possibly attempting to imply that 100 million dollars worth of golfing trips are part of Obama's concept of p**********l duties, but that does not mean that you have to infer that.

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Dec 8, 2018 10:48:11   #
Seth
 
Airforceone wrote:
Look stop talking like I am some kind of an i***t. I did not v**e for a real Estate agent that went bankrupt 5 times and comes out in support of a GD Pedaphile.’

So it’s only the secret service cost that u look at. That shows how ignorant the right wing Trump supporters really are and even furthers the ignorant right wing with a stupid comment that it’s not related to his job.

So tell me how much of that job related cost really was.

I am not getting into this with riight winger it’s very difficult to deal with Ignorance. You have no idea
Look stop talking like I am some kind of an i***t.... (show quote)


LOL!

You have to go about 50 pages back when you Google anything just to get to anything that's not either left wing biased or flat out leftie propaganda. We're talking "progressive" tech company, here.

And nobody's talking to you like you're an i***t... Just a misguided person who's overdosed on the left wing Kool-Aid©.

It's not your fault, AF1, the Marxists have been at the brainwashing game for over a century, and you're just one of many honest dupes.

* * * * Although, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin DID refer to western liberals as "useful i***ts." Why do you suppose a c*******t dictator would refer to people who espouse your beliefs as "useful i***ts?" Do you suppose he might have had a reason?

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Dec 8, 2018 12:08:01   #
Nickolai
 
Airforceone wrote:
What is it about facts that you people h**e.

(DID YOU NOT SCREAM ABOUT OBAMA SPENDING AND YOU GOT THOSE FIGURES FROM A REPUBLICAN CONGRESS THAT DID AN AUDIT EVERY THREE MONTHS ON OBAMA BUT REFUSE TO ADUIT TRUMP) so why the insult just do the audit let’s have a look at what the Trump family is spending.

What is it with you Trump supporters you play this Hypocrisy game and then when questioned you insult. Just like the White House freak when he is questioned he doen’t answer he insults.


Why don’t you reseach and give me the answer to what the Trump family expenses cost the tax payers.
What is it about facts that you people h**e. br b... (show quote)







The right has moved so far to the right they have lost their minds and Is the reason I fled the Republican party 24 years ago I sensed the crazies were taking that party over. They are hopeless --completely impervious to facts, figures, reason, we have to realize they cant help the way they are---they were born that way. There is a gene in their some where that is completely out of whack

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Dec 8, 2018 12:14:05   #
JoyV
 
Airforceone wrote:
Look stop talking like I am some kind of an i***t. I did not v**e for a real Estate agent that went bankrupt 5 times and comes out in support of a GD Pedaphile.’

So it’s only the secret service cost that u look at. That shows how ignorant the right wing Trump supporters really are and even furthers the ignorant right wing with a stupid comment that it’s not related to his job.

So tell me how much of that job related cost really was.

I am not getting into this with riight winger it’s very difficult to deal with Ignorance. You have no idea
Look stop talking like I am some kind of an i***t.... (show quote)


Not only the secret service costs. The releases I posted were TOTAL costs INCLUDING secret service costs. The MSM likes to report Obama travel costs trimmed of all but the actual family expenses, but include all for Trump.

The majority of his golf games were golf meetings. Meeting in the open air during a golf game with foreign dignitaries, his cabinet, and other officials. These tweets give zero documentation. secret service says... Yet the actual documented numbers are available which you choose to ignore for tweets with no documentation. If you'll look at the graph on page 6 of the DHS report on the Secret Service Budget report, you'll note that the costs have gone down since Trump was sworn in. In 2016, the protective operations cost $876,285. In 2017 the expense went down a little and was $874,877. In 2018 the expense dropped far more to $804,475. The total SS expenses for those years were $1,531,509; $1,528,769; and $1,520,953 respectively. https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/USSS%20FY18%20Budget.pdf


You shouldn't bring up p*******e. Who was it who laughed when telling how she got a p*******e off from being found guilty? And how about the fact that the Pentagon was forced last year to rescind interim security clearances granted under the Obama administration to at least 165 contractors linked to various crimes, including felony convictions for p********a and foreign government affiliations according to a report issued by the Director of the Defense Security Service (DSS). https://democrats-oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/DSS.101317.Response%20to%20EEC%20re%20Interim%20Security%20Clearances%20for%20Individual....pdf

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Dec 8, 2018 12:17:27   #
JoyV
 
cbpat1 wrote:
I’m not sure if his business holdings ended up being in a blind trust, but, I do remember that there was talk of Trumps holdings being run by a blind trust. This happens sometimes with wealthy politicians. Rick Scott, in Florida, did the blind trust route, when he took over as governor of Florida.


No there were many which could not be put in a blind trust because Trump was not the sole owner.

And as for bankruptcies, 5 out of the hundreds of businesses over the years is a paltry amount.

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Dec 8, 2018 12:21:35   #
Nickolai
 
cbpat1 wrote:
I’m not sure if his business holdings ended up being in a blind trust, but, I do remember that there was talk of Trumps holdings being run by a blind trust. This happens sometimes with wealthy politicians. Rick Scott, in Florida, did the blind trust route, when he took over as governor of Florida.






Trump refused to place his assets in a blind trust as is traditional and said his kids would run the company. Which means he is still running the show himself and raking in millions hosting foreign nationals and their entourages and charging the government for his own secrete service people

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Dec 8, 2018 12:23:48   #
JoyV
 
Nickolai wrote:
The right has moved so far to the right they have lost their minds and Is the reason I fled the Republican party 24 years ago I sensed the crazies were taking that party over. They are hopeless --completely impervious to facts, figures, reason, we have to realize they cant help the way they are---they were born that way. There is a gene in their some where that is completely out of whack


So give us some facts, figures and reason. I've seen plenty of postings of media opinions. And figures which are not backed up or even explained as to their source. But they almost always contradict the documentation when it is available. Arguing over whether a right wing media source or a left wing media source has reported the data accurately can easily be eliminated simply by going to the SOURCE of the actual data.

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Dec 8, 2018 12:31:29   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
You are such a so socialist liar. Name where we’ve gone further right. If anything the GOP has gotten much more moderate. The Democrats have gone from working mans party to fringe identity groups.
Nickolai wrote:
The right has moved so far to the right they have lost their minds and Is the reason I fled the Republican party 24 years ago I sensed the crazies were taking that party over. They are hopeless --completely impervious to facts, figures, reason, we have to realize they cant help the way they are---they were born that way. There is a gene in their some where that is completely out of whack

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Dec 8, 2018 13:22:54   #
JoyV
 
Nickolai wrote:
Trump refused to place his assets in a blind trust as is traditional and said his kids would run the company. Which means he is still running the show himself and raking in millions hosting foreign nationals and their entourages and charging the government for his own secrete service people


You can't put a business holding in a blind trust unless you are the sole owner. Only a few companies were turned over to his kids. Many were simply divested. You say using blind trusts is traditional? How many US President businessmen did you refer to who placed there businesses in blind trusts?

US Presidents who were businessmen:
1] Harry Truman was one of two owners of haberdashery. It failed decades before he became US President in 1921. NO BLIND TRUST
2] George H. W. Bush was cofounder of an oil business. He resigned in 1966. NO BLIND TRUST.
3] George W Bush. Co-owner of an oil business and part owner of the Texas Rangers. Sold his last business holdings in 1998. NO BLIND TRUST.
4] Trump. The only businessman who was still a business owner at the time he was elected.

So there is NO tradition of US Presidents who were businessmen putting their businesses in blind trusts!

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Dec 8, 2018 17:16:13   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Airforceone wrote:
Look stop talking like I am some kind of an i***t. I did not v**e for a real Estate agent that went bankrupt 5 times and comes out in support of a GD Pedaphile.’

So it’s only the secret service cost that u look at. That shows how ignorant the right wing Trump supporters really are and even furthers the ignorant right wing with a stupid comment that it’s not related to his job.

So tell me how much of that job related cost really was.

I am not getting into this with riight winger it’s very difficult to deal with Ignorance. You have no idea
Look stop talking like I am some kind of an i***t.... (show quote)


No one needs to help you show your ignorance. You do a good job of that on your own without any help.

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Dec 8, 2018 17:18:23   #
Nickolai
 
JoyV wrote:
So give us some facts, figures and reason. I've seen plenty of postings of media opinions. And figures which are not backed up or even explained as to their source. But they almost always contradict the documentation when it is available. Arguing over whether a right wing media source or a left wing media source has reported the data accurately can easily be eliminated simply by going to the SOURCE of the actual data.







https://youtu.be/aBJeBu0lBKQ

Noam Chomsky one of the leading American intellectuals over the last 50-60 years tells it like it is

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Dec 8, 2018 17:36:52   #
Nickolai
 
JoyV wrote:
You can't put a business holding in a blind trust unless you are the sole owner. Only a few companies were turned over to his kids. Many were simply divested. You say using blind trusts is traditional? How many US President businessmen did you refer to who placed there businesses in blind trusts?

US Presidents who were businessmen:
1] Harry Truman was one of two owners of haberdashery. It failed decades before he became US President in 1921. NO BLIND TRUST
2] George H. W. Bush was cofounder of an oil business. He resigned in 1966. NO BLIND TRUST.
3] George W Bush. Co-owner of an oil business and part owner of the Texas Rangers. Sold his last business holdings in 1998. NO BLIND TRUST.
4] Trump. The only businessman who was still a business owner at the time he was elected.

So there is NO tradition of US Presidents who were businessmen putting their businesses in blind trusts!
You can't put a business holding in a blind trust ... (show quote)





"The Obamas` investments were held in something called a `blind trust.` This type of trust is constructed so that the President and First Lady have no knowledge of what they`re actually investing in, thereby eliminating possible conflicts of interest.


Clintons Dissolve Blind Financial Trust. Bill and Hillary Clinton have dissolved the blind trust that has managed their investments since they entered the White House in 1993, converting all stocks to cash to avoid financial conflicts as she runs for president, according to documents to be filed today with federal ethics officials.


Jimmy Carter did it. Ronald Reagan did it. George H.W. Bush did it. Bill Clinton did it. George W. Bush did it. And Mitt Romney would have done it.

For the past 40 years, every president and p**********l candidate who has had anything other than the most vanilla of investment portfolios — Barack Obama, who had most of his money in Treasury bonds, fell into that category — has put or has promised to put their assets into a blind trust to prevent any kind of conflict of interest between what's good for the country and what's good for their retirement. This wasn't required by law, but it did seem like it was required by good governance.

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Dec 9, 2018 00:24:30   #
Carol Kelly
 
Airforceone wrote:
It’s become apparent that Trump has become c*********d by the Saudis. The Saudis paid for 500 rooms at a Trumps hotel, and s**mmed our veterans to use our veterans to lobby for a bill that would benefit Saudi Arabia. These veterans that were given these rooms for free and paid for there meals the Saudis Paid the Trump hotel $275,000.

Let’s take a look at on air speeches by Trump I watched this today so none of you right wing Trump supporters can deny he said them because it was all shown on TV today coming out of Trumps mouth.
Trumps on air quotes:
We are with the Saudis

I have no business whatsoever with the Saudis

I like the Saudis there very nice to me

I make a lot of money with the Saudis

The Saudis buy all sorts of Trump stuff

The Saudis buy all sorts of toys from Trump

The Saudis pay me millions or hundreds of millions of dollars.

Then he says I don’t make deals with the Saudis

Then he said I don’t make any money from the Saudis

Then he said again I have nothing to do with the Saudis

Then he said the Saudis are very nice to me

Then he said the Saudis are very nice to me again they buy my condos, you just would not believe how nice they are to me and the millions I make from the Saudis

All of this from a guy that said all Muslims are terrorist. Saudi Arabia is a nation of 20 million Sunni Muslims. Trump wants to kick out all Muslims from the US.

Then he says the Saudis will pay anything amount of money they have nothing but Money.


Now during the Campaign Trump used Pay for play with the Clinton foundation. Even though a special investigation by the House, Senate and State Department Found no evidence of pay for play. But the right wing lunatics just hold onto anything that pathological liar says. All he has to say is f**e news and that is the rally call of the right wing lunatics.

(SO WHICH TRUMP IS IT THE TRUMP THAT HAS NO DEALINGS OR BUSINESS WITH THE SAUDIS OR THE ONE THAT MAKES MILLIONS OR HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS FROM THE SAUDIS )

Can we all understand why Trump will not release his personal and corporate tax returns. Afterall Clinton released her last 20 years of tax returns and 5 years of foundation financials while she was Secretary of State. Trump has released nothing.
It’s become apparent that Trump has become c******... (show quote)


From this right wing lunatic, you’re full of it.

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Dec 9, 2018 00:31:43   #
Carol Kelly
 
Nickolai wrote:
Trump refused to place his assets in a blind trust as is traditional and said his kids would run the company. Which means he is still running the show himself and raking in millions hosting foreign nationals and their entourages and charging the government for his own secrete service people


There are traditions and then there are Traditions. Like Christmas is a tradition and Obama tried to turn it into a winter holiday or some such hogwash because after all he was a Muslim. Thanksgiving is a Tradition and I thanked God for Trump on Thanksgiving.
I, also, thanked God for Trump last Christmas although there were some liberals present. What’s all this nonsense about presidents and blind trusts and tradition?

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Dec 9, 2018 12:02:26   #
JoyV
 
Nickolai wrote:
"The Obamas` investments were held in something called a `blind trust.` This type of trust is constructed so that the President and First Lady have no knowledge of what they`re actually investing in, thereby eliminating possible conflicts of interest.


Clintons Dissolve Blind Financial Trust. Bill and Hillary Clinton have dissolved the blind trust that has managed their investments since they entered the White House in 1993, converting all stocks to cash to avoid financial conflicts as she runs for president, according to documents to be filed today with federal ethics officials.


Jimmy Carter did it. Ronald Reagan did it. George H.W. Bush did it. Bill Clinton did it. George W. Bush did it. And Mitt Romney would have done it.

For the past 40 years, every president and p**********l candidate who has had anything other than the most vanilla of investment portfolios — Barack Obama, who had most of his money in Treasury bonds, fell into that category — has put or has promised to put their assets into a blind trust to prevent any kind of conflict of interest between what's good for the country and what's good for their retirement. This wasn't required by law, but it did seem like it was required by good governance.
"The Obamas` investments were held in someth... (show quote)


There is a difference between investment holdings and a business. You can put your own investments in a blind trust. You cannot put a business of which you are not the sole owner in a blind trust.
1) Jimmy Carter was the owner of a peanut farm. He was not one of multiple owners.
2) Reagan owned investment properties--NOT a business. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ronald-reagans-millions-58017/
3) G.H.W. Bush sold his share of his oil business long before becoming President. He had investments which he placed in a blind trust. He did NOT place a multi-owned business in a blind trust. http://time.com/money/5254581/george-hw-bush-net-worth/
4) G. W. Bush sold out of his business holdings. The last being in 1988. There was NO business to put in a blind trust! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_life_of_George_W._Bush
5) Obama. What business?????

None of your examples include any multi-owned businesses put in a blind trust.

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