Wonttakeitanymore

No non-catholic Christian would praise the Catholic Church as holy! That line would not be repeated!

Rose42

In the creed catholic is with a lower case c. That isn't referring to the Catholic church but the Christian church.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Yes!😀

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Your comments on Peter captured my own initial reaction to his posting.

Singularity

...holy... catholic... church. Adjectives. Not capitalized. Denoting use as adjectives not a proper noun.

Are you gonna claim next you can't call your savior "Jesus" because the Roman Catholic Church officials and members call him the same name!?!

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

No, Rose, it is directly referring to the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church since the Apostles Creed came after the Nicene Creed. It is also used as a baptismal creed in several denominations. Some protestant denominations have changed the word "catholic" to "christian" and use it as such in their liturgy. In many respects, the wording of the Apostles' Creed and the Nicene Creed is very similar. The Apostles' Creed is a slightly more basic statement of Christian faith, however. One of the major reasons the Orthodox Church does not accept the authority of the Apostles' Creed is that it does not have the approval of a major ecumenical council. The creed is a simpler declaration than the Nicene Creed but has no complete reference to the divinity of Jesus or the Holy Spirit. In this respect, the Apostles' Creed does not fully reflect the Christian belief in the Holy Trinity and the church as does the Nicene Creed.

Rose42

It's certainly not referring to the "Catholic" church which is not Christian. That is an important distinction.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

That's a distinction you've made in your own prejudiced and biased mind in which you have probably condemn we who are Orthodox also. Yet both Churches pray the Nicene Creed in their liturgy every Sunday and you do not. For example, before we can say together, "Our Father" first we have to say, "Credo" - "I" Believe! An affirmation of Who and what we believe together in one Body, the Church.. That Creed was crafted by the early Christian hierarchy because of different and growing heresies and it stated, unequivocably, that these things you must believe to be a Christian. Do you believe, as stated in the Creed, in "one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church?"

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

You will never tire of pretending you know what president Trump thinks and how he feels, will you? You should think about avoiding such pretentious conceit so you don't come across as a self-absorbed, h**e filled ignoramus.

The service for George HW Bush was an elegant celebration in praise of a great American, it was a loving farewell to a man who served America all of his life. To assume this service was a political slap at anyone, a "roast", is demagoguery most foul. This begs the question, what the hell have you done in service to our nation?

If you want to wallow in political sewage so you can critique behavior, body language, and facial expressions, maybe you should have watched the service in its entirety. The close up camera shots of the faces and mannerisms of all the presidents, their wives, and GHW's family and friends is revealing.

George HW Bush wanted president Trump and Melania to attend his funeral. Prior to the service, president Trump and Melania welcomed the Bush family to the Blair House where they offered their condolences. Laura Bush wanted to see how the White House had been decorated for Christmas, so Melania gave her a tour.

The funeral of GHW Bush was a celebration of his life that transcended politics, it was an expression of love and gratitude for a life well lived, a manifestation of human spirit and praise of God far above and beyond the comprehension of mean spirited, black hearted, small minded men.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

You lay things out so eloquently!

EmilyD

Very well and eloquently said, Blade!!
Wouldn't it be nice if these darned lefties could turn off the h**e and vitriol for just little bit while we bury a great man? But noooooo, they have to use this solemn and dignified occasion to bash Trump even more. How pathetic can it get?

Hogback

The apostles creed is not in the Bible it's just a man written creed that is given way too much credit. Also, Jesus said don't recite long prayers trying to impress God. If the Trumps are not Christian then reading the creed would be hypercritical and if they are true Christians they should not read it anyway!!

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Thank you, padre, Emily. Eloquence is not my strong suit, but maybe some of what I learned during six years of university studies in literature, English and creative writing stuck with me.


An atheist started this thread with the question, "Did anyone watch the funeral?" If the atheist was honest, he would have asked the question he really wanted to ask, "Did anyone watch that sorry POS Trump at George HW Bush's funeral?"

The atheist may have seen video clips that focused on the reading of the Apostles' Creed, but I doubt that he watched the entire service. Instead, the atheist apparently took his cues from a hit piece in the l*****t rag, Newsweek. It is focused only on Trump. If the atheist was a moral and principled man of virtue with a sense of honor and respect, he would have known that the service was solely a solemn celebration of the life and passing of an American patriot.

But you know full well that godless liberal progressives never pass up an opportunity to exploit even the most honorable and American of occasions to continue the unconscionable vilification of our besieged president. And, the fact that the service for GHW Bush was a profoundly religious celebration made it a particularly rich target for politicization by spiritually barren l*****ts.

Had the atheist watched the entire service, he would have seen B. Hussein Obama sitting smug with his nose in the air. He would have seen BJ Clinton expressionless, drooling with his mouth h*****g open looking like he was about to croak. When the Episcopalian pastor of Saint Martins delivered his eulogy and prayers and spoke of GHW's absolute faith in Jesus, the atheist would have seen Michelle Obama's face screwed up in a grimace of disgust and the contemptuous smirk pasted on H. Rotten Clinton's face.

In his opening post, the atheist writes, "while all the presidents and their spouses were reciting the Apostles Creed Donald and Melania were acting like they were atheists and had no earthly clue what it was." This brings me to the hypocrisy of the atheist and every one of his inhuman secular comrades.

The Apostle's Creed begins "I believe in God . . . " The atheist does not believe in God and he is convinced that those who do have rejected science in favor of fairy tales and fantasies, he assumes that our faith in God and Jesus is built on a system of logical fallacies, and that the existence of a supernatural being is a scientific impossibility. So, I ask, if the atheist is convinced "Donald and Melania were acting like they were atheists", why would he condemn them for doing exactly the same damned thing the atheist himself would have done had he been sitting in that seat? Would the atheist have been able to honestly recite the Apostles Creed? Does the hypocrite have an "earthly clue" what the Apostles Creed really is? Would he be able to say, "I believe in God" and mean it?

Executive Order 13831-Establishment of a White House Faith and Opportunity Initiative

"We take this step because we know that, in solving the many, many problems and our great challenges, faith is more powerful than government, and nothing is more powerful than God."
President Donald Trump

EmilyD

Excellent points!!!
The atheist who posted the original post of this thread must not know the meaning of the word "hypocrisy"...but his posts are the textbook definition of that word.

Nickolai

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