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Dec 6, 2018 15:30:50   #
Rose42
 
proud republican wrote:
Then why do Christians let them get away with this BS?????..Why not stand up and fight???


How? Besides, we win in the end anyway.

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Dec 6, 2018 15:42:19   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Rose42 wrote:
How? Besides, we win in the end anyway.


The end could be too far away... We need to fight dirty just like they are...And im not even a Christian....

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Dec 6, 2018 15:56:54   #
Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!
 
EmilyD wrote:
WELL SAID!!!
Merry Christmas to you, and God Bless you, too!


Thank You.

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Dec 6, 2018 16:07:35   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
moldyoldy wrote:
YOU"RE A MEAN ONE MISTER TRUMP.


You're a mean one, mr grinch...you really are a heel

cuddly as a cactus, charming as an eel

Mr griiiinch!

You're a bad banana with a greasy black peel...

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Dec 6, 2018 16:09:22   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
kemmer wrote:
As usual, Hannity didn’t understand the symbolism, so he ranted and raved over that tired old “war on Christmas” garbage.


Um...what was the symbolism then...if you don't mind clarifying?

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Dec 6, 2018 16:09:58   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
proud republican wrote:
The end could be too far away... We need to fight dirty just like they are...And im not even a Christian....


Remind me to stay on your good side.

BTW...there is no end, what you called that is, indeed, not far away...and we all have great reasons to be hopeful. Hope you know that.

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Dec 6, 2018 22:01:28   #
JoyV
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Trump caging children, and the wise men locked behind a fence.


I can't watch the video as it eats up too much data. I use a jet pack to get online and the data usage is costly. But as for children in cages, the pictures the news ran last year turned out to be from during the Obama administration.

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Dec 6, 2018 22:12:00   #
JoyV
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Two girls separated for their own protection and safety. yes there was caging under Obama, but for different reasons. He also deported more.


For different reasons? You mean it is okay to put kids in cages for their own safety, but not to turn kids over to child and protective services when:

1) The adults they are with turn out to be unrelated and kidnappers or even child traffickers. [The adults don't know the names or ages of the kids and further questioning reveals they have no business with them.]
2) There is evidence of child molestation or other abuse.
3) Their parents are incarcerated. [Sorry but in the US it is NOT okay to send kids to prison or jail with their parents.]

And I think all of the above would qualify as being for the childs' safety. Yet they still weren't put in cages but were turned over to CPS!

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Dec 6, 2018 22:38:06   #
JoyV
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Many holidays indeed have their start in pagan celebrations. However, everything evolves and I do not think the majority of people who celebrate Christmas is celebrating the winter solstice. In fact, I do not know anyone who lights a candle and walks around their house 7 times (especially when it is -20 outside) wearing a nightgown and chants praise to long ago dismissed gods. Nor do they go to a forest and harvest a log to burn continuously for 7 days (if it goes out, suposedly the goblins will break into your house and cause all kinds of trouble). And tell me, who has a fireplace that burns wood.... especially a huge log? And there are some other less savory connections to this pagan holiday. What I do see are people remembering those who have less, as required by the Bible (both Christian and Jewish) and remembering a baby born that gave hope to the world. So, for Christians they do not honor a long dead set of gods..... but have changed the holiday into a celebration of a child that would change the face of all nations.

It is amusing when atheist go out of their way to demean the values that have, admittedly, changed over the years. As for me... I wish you a very Merry Christmas.... or a wonderful Festival of Lights (let us see if this can be claimed to be pagan).....
Many holidays indeed have their start in pagan cel... (show quote)


I was born into a Pagan household (American Indian). But those "rites" you describe were never practiced by us. Growing up I had far more exposure to Christmas than Winter Solstice. You do not have to be a Christian to enjoy Christmas songs, decorations, giving gifts, Christmas cookies, eggnog, feasting, Christmas movies, etc. I am still not a Christian and I still enjoy the Christmas season. I use to hand paint Christmas cards. I even appreciate the beauty and awe of a Christmas Eve candlelight service.

Some of my favorite Christmas movies include; A Christmas Carol, We're No Angels (Humphrey Bogart), It's A Wonderful Life, Miracle on 34th Street (Maureen O'Hara and Natalie Wood), The Bells of Saint Mary's, Home Alone, The Santa Claus, both Grinch movies, and Polar Express.

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Dec 6, 2018 22:39:30   #
JoyV
 
PeterS wrote:
Snip>>>In the second chapter of the Gospel of Matthew, we read the story of the “Flight into Egypt” in which, after the birth of Jesus and the visit from the Magi, an “angel of the Lord” comes to Joseph in a dream and warns him to leave Bethlehem for Egypt (Mt 2:12-15). Why? Because King Herod was planning to “seek out the child to destroy him.” Mary and Joseph do leave, along with Jesus, and, according to Matthew, make their way into Egypt. Afterward, King Herod slaughters all the male children in Bethlehem under two years of age. This dramatic episode is part of the Gospel reading for the “Feast of the Holy Innocents,” celebrated on Dec. 28.

Do a google search "Jesus was an immigrant" and you will come up with thousands of citations. The one I thought most poignant was How We Treat Immigrants Is How We Treat God.

So the Christ Child locked in a cage is perfectly appropriate for how you CC's treat the Lord your god...
b Snip>>>In the second chapter of the Go... (show quote)


Wouldn't that be considered a refugee, not immigrant?

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Dec 6, 2018 22:42:13   #
JoyV
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Jesus, Mary, or Joseph.... they were never immigrants. If you know your Bible, it is clear "When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. “Get up!” he said. “Take the Child and His mother and flee to Egypt. Stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the Child to k**l Him.” Matthew 2:13. So the escape to Egypt was to be temporary. To qualify as an immigrant, the individual travels to live permanently in a foreign country. So.... Jesus was not an immigrant. So, discounting that sticky glitch in thinking. Let us move on to historical fact, at that time of the birth, Judea and Egypt, known as Aegyptus, were all within the borders of the Roman empire. Both countries were occupied land under Ceaser, and even though Herod was King of Judea, he ruled on behalf of Ceasar. Jesus and His family, while provincial citizens, were what we would consider Roman nationals who paid taxes to Rome though they were not necessarily citizens of the Roman state. Fleeing to Egypt, then under the personal control of Agustus himself, was on more like moving from California to New York City. So, even using historical information... Jesus, Mary, and Joseph were not immigrants.

My thought.... don't just believe what the Liberals are selling. You may run up against a bible historian.....it makes you look foolish.
Jesus, Mary, or Joseph.... they were never immigra... (show quote)


Good points!

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Dec 7, 2018 01:01:24   #
kemmer
 
proud republican wrote:
Then why do Christians let them get away with this BS?????..Why not stand up and fight???

That's like fighting over whether today is Thursday or Friday.

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Dec 7, 2018 01:54:32   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Joy,

The Pagans I referenced are Middle Eastern which were established in the Hebrew Bible as those who had not accepted a singular G*d, they then spread to the Southern Mediterranean (Greece and Southern Italy) and later were found in Europe. I am sorry that I excluded the Native American belief system, but until the Europeans introduced a combination of the Jewish, Christian, and Polytheism into their tribal systems... the Native Americans had a belief system that had their own creation stories that did not include a "savior" or a concept of "hell." Contrast this with the Pagans referenced in the Christian and Hebrew bibles, who went through a cultural appropriation or more simply put the Pagan "borrowed" concepts of other cultures and created a belief system with parts, not the sum, of those religions. This did not happen to the Native American until after the Europeans found it "necessary" to civilize the Indian. American Indians had no need to include a seasonal celebration focusing on a "savior." However, they still have seasonal celebrations honoring specific deities. Of course after introduction of European Monotheism, many of those customs were incorporated into tribal culture. And those customs included chants (songs), specialized feasts with unique foods (refined sugars), and decorations such as the Easter Egg (European Pagan Fertility god sacrifice). As these introduced cultural celebrations with symbolism and worship became part of the Native American Spiritual belief system, then they too became similar to Pagans of the Middle East and Europe.

I had no intention to offend you by omitting your culture. Perhaps I should have also included Africans, Aberrational, Central American tribes, Easter Island and a host of other pagan systems in my short, however lite, descriptions. I chose to leave them out because they did not have an anticipated or a return of a Messiah. All these systems were pure to themselves until the European arrival.... All I can say it is getting damn hard to not exclude someone and have them feel slighted....

***A note: Cultural appropriation has little to do with one’s exposure to and familiarity with different cultures. Instead, cultural appropriation typically involves members of a dominant group exploiting the culture of less privileged groups. Quite often, this is done along racial and ethnic lines with little understanding of the latter’s history, experience, and traditions.



JoyV wrote:
I was born into a Pagan household (American Indian). But those "rites" you describe were never practiced by us. Growing up I had far more exposure to Christmas than Winter Solstice. You do not have to be a Christian to enjoy Christmas songs, decorations, giving gifts, Christmas cookies, eggnog, feasting, Christmas movies, etc. I am still not a Christian and I still enjoy the Christmas season. I use to hand paint Christmas cards. I even appreciate the beauty and awe of a Christmas Eve candlelight service.

Some of my favorite Christmas movies include; A Christmas Carol, We're No Angels (Humphrey Bogart), It's A Wonderful Life, Miracle on 34th Street (Maureen O'Hara and Natalie Wood), The Bells of Saint Mary's, Home Alone, The Santa Claus, both Grinch movies, and Polar Express.
I was born into a Pagan household (American Indian... (show quote)

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Dec 7, 2018 03:43:34   #
JoyV
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Joy,

The Pagans I referenced are Middle Eastern which were established in the Hebrew Bible as those who had not accepted a singular G*d, they then spread to the Southern Mediterranean (Greece and Southern Italy) and later were found in Europe. I am sorry that I excluded the Native American belief system, but until the Europeans introduced a combination of the Jewish, Christian, and Polytheism into their tribal systems... the Native Americans had a belief system that had their own creation stories that did not include a "savior" or a concept of "hell." Contrast this with the Pagans referenced in the Christian and Hebrew bibles, who went through a cultural appropriation or more simply put the Pagan "borrowed" concepts of other cultures and created a belief system with parts, not the sum, of those religions. This did not happen to the Native American until after the Europeans found it "necessary" to civilize the Indian. American Indians had no need to include a seasonal celebration focusing on a "savior." However, they still have seasonal celebrations honoring specific deities. Of course after introduction of European Monotheism, many of those customs were incorporated into tribal culture. And those customs included chants (songs), specialized feasts with unique foods (refined sugars), and decorations such as the Easter Egg (European Pagan Fertility god sacrifice). As these introduced cultural celebrations with symbolism and worship became part of the Native American Spiritual belief system, then they too became similar to Pagans of the Middle East and Europe.

I had no intention to offend you by omitting your culture. Perhaps I should have also included Africans, Aberrational, Central American tribes, Easter Island and a host of other pagan systems in my short, however lite, descriptions. I chose to leave them out because they did not have an anticipated or a return of a Messiah. All these systems were pure to themselves until the European arrival.... All I can say it is getting damn hard to not exclude someone and have them feel slighted....

***A note: Cultural appropriation has little to do with one’s exposure to and familiarity with different cultures. Instead, cultural appropriation typically involves members of a dominant group exploiting the culture of less privileged groups. Quite often, this is done along racial and ethnic lines with little understanding of the latter’s history, experience, and traditions.
Joy, br br The Pagans I referenced are Middle Eas... (show quote)


You didn't offend me. I'm not that fragile! In fact, I am an official "Unsquishable". A member of the court of N.U.T.S. (Nonsensical Unsquishable Transcendental Shepherdists) Just wanted to point out that not all pagans come in the same flavor.

I never thought about the "savior" connection before. Thanks for the insight!

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Dec 7, 2018 04:05:54   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Joy,

I am so pleased that I did not offend you. It was not my intent.

JoyV wrote:
You didn't offend me. I'm not that fragile! In fact, I am an official "Unsquishable". A member of the court of N.U.T.S. (Nonsensical Unsquishable Transcendental Shepherdists) Just wanted to point out that not all pagans come in the same flavor.

I never thought about the "savior" connection before. Thanks for the insight!

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