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Dec 6, 2018 09:15:49   #
4430 (a regular here)
 
Morgan wrote:
True enough, I bet those auto workers and farmers who voted for Trump are kicking themselves now.


Well I've been a framer the better part of my life and I voted for Trump and have not regretted in in the least !

When it comes to farming you are totally clueless !

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Dec 6, 2018 09:44:00   #
permafrost (a regular here)
 
archie bunker wrote:
I grabbed one on my way to work last night when I stopped for coffee, because I thought I was starving. I scarfed that sucker down while driving, washing it down with coffee of almost equal quality.
What an amazing combination!


11 hours later, after I got home, I only had to lick the dog's ass for five minutes to get the taste out of my mouth.
Now the dog won't leave me alone.

I guess that's what I get for sleeping through supper, and not packing a lunch.
I grabbed one on my way to work last night when I ... (show quote)




Maybe that is why I have often been told to let sleeping dogs lie....

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Dec 6, 2018 19:41:32   #
Seth (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
Hell, he would have to simply keep things going like they were with Obama and he would have looked very good, but no, he had to prove he could do things better. People don't realize how easy it is to screw up something that is running smoothly.

...The stock market was trending up and had been...now? It's lost everything Trump bragged about and is likely to tank, Trump will trigger it.
...The housing market was at highs and homes were selling quickly...now, I wouldn't buy a house at today's prices, and that is the prevailing sentiment.
...The deficit had been brought down under Obama to well under the halfway point it was at when Bush left office...now? Headed back for Bush territory.
...Jobs are likely to trend like they did when Bush lowered taxes...he lost 25 million and it was tax cuts that did it
...Farmers are not likely to be thinking things are better, I'll bet they wish they had OBT back (Obama Before Trump)
...Auto manufacturers committed to the higher end (tariffs) and gave the economy end to foreign interests...big mistake that will cost jobs
Hell, he would have to simply keep things going li... (show quote)


You "progressives" are like amusing little chimps, the kind you can fit in a teacup.

Unemployment is at its lowest in decades, the economy is way better on Trump's worst day than it was on Obama's best, and you are actually able to post such fantasy as though your only readers have been locked in solitary confinement and haven't had any news for a long, long time, so you just throw out any old piece of fiction that pops into your ultra-vivid imagination.

You know, there are a few totalitarian countries out there in which you'd doubtless, if what you post here is any indication, live happily ever after, whose governments would very likely assign you good housing, pay and privileges if you worked for them as propagandists.

Just saying....

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Dec 6, 2018 21:09:54   #
Morgan (a regular here)
 
4430 wrote:
Well I've been a framer the better part of my life and I voted for Trump and have not regretted in in the least !

When it comes to farming you are totally clueless !


What does being a framer have to do with anything?
I'm glad things are working out for you.

As far as the farmers, which I am not, I don't believe many would agree with you, at least not according to what I've read and heard on the news, and as for me being clueless, if the farmers are doing so great why do you think it's necessary for Trump to come to their aid.

The Trump administration is coming to the aid of farmers hurt by its own hard-line trade policies, announcing Tuesday that it will make an estimated $12 billion in government assistance available, including direct payments to growers.

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/24/631953880/trump-administration-to-provide-farmers-12-billion-to-offset-tariffs


The money comes after farmers, especially soybean growers, have felt the brunt of retaliatory tariffs placed on agriculture by China and other nations that the Trump administration has penalized with tariffs on imports.

So now where the farmers were doing fine, they now need a bailout at the cost of 12 million us taxpayers, so I guess we can all thank the Trumpet for blowing his horn once again.

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Dec 6, 2018 21:37:06   #
Seth (a regular here)
 
Morgan wrote:
What does being a framer have to do with anything?
I'm glad things are working out for you.

As far as the farmers, which I am not, I don't believe many would agree with you, at least not according to what I've read and heard on the news, and as for me being clueless, if the farmers are doing so great why do you think it's necessary for Trump to come to their aid.

The Trump administration is coming to the aid of farmers hurt by its own hard-line trade policies, announcing Tuesday that it will make an estimated $12 billion in government assistance available, including direct payments to growers.

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/24/631953880/trump-administration-to-provide-farmers-12-billion-to-offset-tariffs


The money comes after farmers, especially soybean growers, have felt the brunt of retaliatory tariffs placed on agriculture by China and other nations that the Trump administration has penalized with tariffs on imports.

So now where the farmers were doing fine, they now need a bailout at the cost of 12 million us taxpayers, so I guess we can all thank the Trumpet for blowing his horn once again.
What does being a framer have to do with anything?... (show quote)


Actually, no.

Trump, as usual, is again winning: the Chinese came to HIM and have agreed to immediately start buying large amounts of those American farmers' products as trade negotiations resume.

As always, our very sharp president was spot on. It seems his tariffs hurt China a lot more than theirs hurt us, and now they've come crawling back to deal on Trump's terms.

Look THAT up in your Funk & Wagnall's.

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Dec 7, 2018 00:32:17   #
archie bunker (a regular here)
 
Morgan wrote:
What does being a framer have to do with anything?
I'm glad things are working out for you.

As far as the farmers, which I am not, I don't believe many would agree with you, at least not according to what I've read and heard on the news, and as for me being clueless, if the farmers are doing so great why do you think it's necessary for Trump to come to their aid.

The Trump administration is coming to the aid of farmers hurt by its own hard-line trade policies, announcing Tuesday that it will make an estimated $12 billion in government assistance available, including direct payments to growers.

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/24/631953880/trump-administration-to-provide-farmers-12-billion-to-offset-tariffs


The money comes after farmers, especially soybean growers, have felt the brunt of retaliatory tariffs placed on agriculture by China and other nations that the Trump administration has penalized with tariffs on imports.

So now where the farmers were doing fine, they now need a bailout at the cost of 12 million us taxpayers, so I guess we can all thank the Trumpet for blowing his horn once again.
What does being a framer have to do with anything?... (show quote)


It was a typo, Morgan! The guy is a frigging FARMER!! Google his moniker for crying out loud. Just type those numbers in, and hit go, and see what you come up with.
I have no doubt the guy knows what he's talking about, because who do farmers talk to the most? Ummmmm........maybe other farmers?
And trust me when I tell you that your trust in what you see on the news, and your use of them as a source to fulfill your constant need to always be right does not look good on you.

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Dec 7, 2018 07:42:28   #
4430 (a regular here)
 
Morgan wrote:
What does being a framer have to do with anything?
I'm glad things are working out for you.

As far as the farmers, which I am not, I don't believe many would agree with you, at least not according to what I've read and heard on the news, and as for me being clueless, if the farmers are doing so great why do you think it's necessary for Trump to come to their aid.

The Trump administration is coming to the aid of farmers hurt by its own hard-line trade policies, announcing Tuesday that it will make an estimated $12 billion in government assistance available, including direct payments to growers.

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/24/631953880/trump-administration-to-provide-farmers-12-billion-to-offset-tariffs


The money comes after farmers, especially soybean growers, have felt the brunt of retaliatory tariffs placed on agriculture by China and other nations that the Trump administration has penalized with tariffs on imports.

So now where the farmers were doing fine, they now need a bailout at the cost of 12 million us taxpayers, so I guess we can all thank the Trumpet for blowing his horn once again.
What does being a framer have to do with anything?... (show quote)



Every business and even unions have their cry babies and farming is no different and these are the ones that news folk scourer the country side looking for so they can throw it back to Trump !

Actually the markets have held up very well considering the tariffs placed on them !

Lets go back to the grain embargo Jimmy Carder placed on Russia where the grain prices dropped the limit for the better part of a week now that was what almost broke me as I sell this yrs crop the following yr .
Due to the embargo Russia could not buy one single kernel of grain where as China can buy any amount of grain but it will cost them more one of the reasons the prices have held up .

One of the main reasons we are seeing low prices as the fact we have had back to back high yields the past 7 yrs if you were to drive thru the Midwest farming communities you would see at all the grain buy facilities have millions of grain piled on the ground under tarp and many of these piles are old crop from previous yrs !

You cry about the 12 B aid which in part I'm sure was due to the Demo crybabies who in reality could care less about farmers but it was a rallying cry against Trump !

No dounbt is Obama had done the same thing you'd not said one word about it just like all the other Trump haters .

I can't think of any time that I've seen you cry about the huge deficits we have with China the real non crying farmers all know something had to be done about it and no one did anything about it till Trump came along and said this isn't fair and it's unacceptable !

I hear many cry about the subsidies in the farm bill which unknown to them actually Food Stamps is the biggest piece of the pie that has nothing to do with farmers !

So when it's all said and done you really don't care about farmers and what they go thru with in good times and bad you love to have something to cry about against Trump

It has probably never entered you mind that you as well as every person living in America spends the lowest amount of their pay check for the food we eat all because to a small amount of subsidies paid to farmers this in because the politicians don't want to hear complaints from Morgan and others about the high price of food !

Farmers income rises and falls and we have to adjust most of the time it's beyond our control but we are a hardy bunch of independent individuals who rise up every day to provide food and fiber for not only America but for the rest of the world !

Farmers have little or no control of market prices we are told what they will pay us and we act accordingly some times the prices are well below our cost of production so those that can will hold grain in order to get a better price later in the year .

So in closing I say again you and the biggest part of the POP here in America are clueless as to where and to what extent farmers go so you can have cheap food prices at the store !

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Dec 7, 2018 09:04:52   #
archie bunker (a regular here)
 
4430 wrote:
Every business and even unions have their cry babies and farming is no different and these are the ones that news folk scourer the country side looking for so they can throw it back to Trump !

Actually the markets have held up very well considering the tariffs placed on them !

Lets go back to the grain embargo Jimmy Carder placed on Russia where the grain prices dropped the limit for the better part of a week now that was what almost broke me as I sell this yrs crop the following yr .
Due to the embargo Russia could not buy one single kernel of grain where as China can buy any amount of grain but it will cost them more one of the reasons the prices have held up .

One of the main reasons we are seeing low prices as the fact we have had back to back high yields the past 7 yrs if you were to drive thru the Midwest farming communities you would see at all the grain buy facilities have millions of grain piled on the ground under tarp and many of these piles are old crop from previous yrs !

You cry about the 12 B aid which in part I'm sure was due to the Demo crybabies who in reality could care less about farmers but it was a rallying cry against Trump !

No dounbt is Obama had done the same thing you'd not said one word about it just like all the other Trump haters .

I can't think of any time that I've seen you cry about the huge deficits we have with China the real non crying farmers all know something had to be done about it and no one did anything about it till Trump came along and said this isn't fair and it's unacceptable !

I hear many cry about the subsidies in the farm bill which unknown to them actually Food Stamps is the biggest piece of the pie that has nothing to do with farmers !

So when it's all said and done you really don't care about farmers and what they go thru with in good times and bad you love to have something to cry about against Trump

It has probably never entered you mind that you as well as every person living in America spends the lowest amount of their pay check for the food we eat all because to a small amount of subsidies paid to farmers this in because the politicians don't want to hear complaints from Morgan and others about the high price of food !

Farmers income rises and falls and we have to adjust most of the time it's beyond our control but we are a hardy bunch of independent individuals who rise up every day to provide food and fiber for not only America but for the rest of the world !

Farmers have little or no control of market prices we are told what they will pay us and we act accordingly some times the prices are well below our cost of production so those that can will hold grain in order to get a better price later in the year .

So in closing I say again you and the biggest part of the POP here in America are clueless as to where and to what extent farmers go so you can have cheap food prices at the store !
Every business and even unions have their cry babi... (show quote)



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Dec 7, 2018 09:58:00   #
permafrost (a regular here)
 
Seth wrote:
Actually, no.

Trump, as usual, is again winning: the Chinese came to HIM and have agreed to immediately start buying large amounts of those American farmers' products as trade negotiations resume.

As always, our very sharp president was spot on. It seems his tariffs hurt China a lot more than theirs hurt us, and now they've come crawling back to deal on Trump's terms.

Look THAT up in your Funk & Wagnall's.
Actually, no. br br Trump, as usual, is again win... (show quote)




Seth, Who gives you these lies???

First. not reconciliation has taken place.. no new deal with China.. or anyone else..

The Soy market is gone.... will be years in the fixing if it ever happens.. China has replaced the US suppliers with other nations, from South America and anywhere else needed..

Even the minor shuffling of NAFTA has not yet happened.. Congress is dragging its feet A/C not all the changes are good for US Business.

Contrariety to what the orange fool is telling you..

Get some real information if you intend to rant about these trade/tariff situations.. Nothing good is coming from them to date..



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Dec 7, 2018 10:00:02   #
waltmoreno
 
Bcon wrote:
Let’s face it. Donald could walk on water and these never Trumpers would only accuse him of not being able to swim. And to say that he should have just continued Obama’s plans is just plain idiotic. The two greatest things among many accomplishments that Trump is preventing Hillary from becoming president and negating the biggest percent of what Obama subjected this country to. The list goes on and on. He has done more for America in two years than Obama tried to do in eight.


Spot on! And notice how Obama and his supporters now try to take credit for Trump's accomplishments. Even though it took a reversal of Obama's policies to accomplish all the good that we are witnessing. Barrack "you-didn't-build-that" Obama led from behind because he was in over his head and had no understanding of economics. More importantly he was a dyed in the wool communist sympathizer and muslim apologist who refused to accept that America was an exceptional country and had been since its founding.

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Dec 7, 2018 10:21:06   #
Seth (a regular here)
 
permafrost wrote:
Seth, Who gives you these lies???

First. not reconciliation has taken place.. no new deal with China.. or anyone else..

The Soy market is gone.... will be years in the fixing if it ever happens.. China has replaced the US suppliers with other nations, from South America and anywhere else needed..

Even the minor shuffling of NAFTA has not yet happened.. Congress is dragging its feet A/C not all the changes are good for US Business.

Contrariety to what the orange fool is telling you..

Get some real information if you intend to rant about these trade/tariff situations.. Nothing good is coming from them to date..
Seth, Who gives you these lies??? br br First. ... (show quote)


No, get your head out of your copy of whatever Leftist propaganda rag you read.

Xi approached Trump at the summit in Argentina and they talked. The fentanyl and intellectual property issues are now on the table along with tariffs. That's why Trump has suspended the additional tariffs on Chinese goods.

Oh, and BTW: Xi also promised immediate large scale purchases of American produce, including soy beans.

Go back to sleep.

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Dec 7, 2018 14:01:10   #
permafrost (a regular here)
 
Seth wrote:
No, get your head out of your copy of whatever Leftist propaganda rag you read.

Xi approached Trump at the summit in Argentina and they talked. The fentanyl and intellectual property issues are now on the table along with tariffs. That's why Trump has suspended the additional tariffs on Chinese goods.

Oh, and BTW: Xi also promised immediate large scale purchases of American produce, including soy beans.

Go back to sleep.




The sad reality is this. China as a market for US soy is dead, dead, dead, and China was far and away the biggest export market for US soy. Now China is buying soy from Brazil, Canada, Argentina, Russia and others, and the countries that previously bought from these countries need to find their soy somewhere else. THIS is what keeps the price of soy up, and it does NOT mean they will buy soy from the US. In the meantime all of the countries now supplying soy to China have their own beefs with Trump’s trade wars and his erratic behaviour, so there is no reason for them to help the US. It will take a few years for this turmoil to settle down, but in the meantime keep in mind that the main use of soy is for pig and cattle feed, including in China. Pigs and cows can eat almost anything, so the previously stable world agricultural markets as a whole will be in flux for quite a while. Meanwhile NOBODY wants to buy more agricultural products from the USA until all of Trump’s extensive trade wars are settled (no one wants to wrestle the tiger).In the meantime ALL of American farmers are f**ked. None of America’s REAL allies like Canada, Britain, Australia and New Zealand wants to see the US screwed, but considering Trump’s absolutely deplorable treatment of each and every one of them, they don’t have any reason to come to America’s aid either. Thanks Donald.

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Dec 7, 2018 17:33:48   #
archie bunker (a regular here)
 
permafrost wrote:
The sad reality is this. China as a market for US soy is dead, dead, dead, and China was far and away the biggest export market for US soy. Now China is buying soy from Brazil, Canada, Argentina, Russia and others, and the countries that previously bought from these countries need to find their soy somewhere else. THIS is what keeps the price of soy up, and it does NOT mean they will buy soy from the US. In the meantime all of the countries now supplying soy to China have their own beefs with Trump’s trade wars and his erratic behaviour, so there is no reason for them to help the US. It will take a few years for this turmoil to settle down, but in the meantime keep in mind that the main use of soy is for pig and cattle feed, including in China. Pigs and cows can eat almost anything, so the previously stable world agricultural markets as a whole will be in flux for quite a while. Meanwhile NOBODY wants to buy more agricultural products from the USA until all of Trump’s extensive trade wars are settled (no one wants to wrestle the tiger).In the meantime ALL of American farmers are f**ked. None of America’s REAL allies like Canada, Britain, Australia and New Zealand wants to see the US screwed, but considering Trump’s absolutely deplorable treatment of each and every one of them, they don’t have any reason to come to America’s aid either. Thanks Donald.
The sad reality is this. China as a market for US ... (show quote)


Let the Trump hate flow, Permi. Just let it flow. Get it out of your system. Best not to bottle it all up.

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Dec 7, 2018 19:29:43   #
Seth (a regular here)
 
permafrost wrote:
The sad reality is this. China as a market for US soy is dead, dead, dead, and China was far and away the biggest export market for US soy. Now China is buying soy from Brazil, Canada, Argentina, Russia and others, and the countries that previously bought from these countries need to find their soy somewhere else. THIS is what keeps the price of soy up, and it does NOT mean they will buy soy from the US. In the meantime all of the countries now supplying soy to China have their own beefs with Trump’s trade wars and his erratic behaviour, so there is no reason for them to help the US. It will take a few years for this turmoil to settle down, but in the meantime keep in mind that the main use of soy is for pig and cattle feed, including in China. Pigs and cows can eat almost anything, so the previously stable world agricultural markets as a whole will be in flux for quite a while. Meanwhile NOBODY wants to buy more agricultural products from the USA until all of Trump’s extensive trade wars are settled (no one wants to wrestle the tiger).In the meantime ALL of American farmers are f**ked. None of America’s REAL allies like Canada, Britain, Australia and New Zealand wants to see the US screwed, but considering Trump’s absolutely deplorable treatment of each and every one of them, they don’t have any reason to come to America’s aid either. Thanks Donald.
The sad reality is this. China as a market for US ... (show quote)


What, are you just making up all this BS as you go along?

"There's a signpost up ahead...

... You are entering... The Permafrost Zone..."

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Dec 7, 2018 20:58:18   #
Nickolai (a regular here)
 
Weasel wrote:
And yet there were hoards of people fighting in those days against who would go down in history as some of our best presidents.
Just like the future will welcome President Trump into the same pages of history as the men that you speak of.
MAGA BABBY, MAGA TRUMP




Are you crazy Our President has committed a felony. And no telling what else for crying out loud

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