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Dec 7, 2018 09:09:08   #
Morgan (a regular here)
 
lindajoy wrote:
How in hell did you get to igniting a fire against other Americans from this poem?? fighting and killing, reeeaaallllyyyy??? Wow, your morbid twist exposes YOUR mind set certainly not mine...

Do you know anything about what it means, why it was written and for whom??
Thomas’ father was dying and this poem came to him while witnessing the finality of life....

How about seeing it for what it is, a strong supplication for us to live boldly and never give up the fight. It implores us to not just "go gentle into that good night," but to rage against it. Even at the end of life, when "grave men" are near death, the poem instructs us to burn with life. Thomas’ meaning is life affirming, it certainly isn’t about fighting against other Americans as you conjure from this beautiful poem..

You a fighter for the things you wish to take place just as everyone else is a fighter to protect what they Believe as well...



I made no such statement of fighting and killing other Americans, that is simply absurd on your part and highly inappropriate...
How in hell did you get to igniting a fire against... (show quote)


No Linda what I did was exploit the intention of you and the others here who wish to hurt what you all consider the enemy,...which of course is the left, which has now has become anyone from the conservative right to the left, that is how extreme things have gotten.

Sorry Linda, I'm not the one vying for a fight against our own people, though of a different party you align with. While you are, which is why I asked, who are you? YOU supported and agreed to the previous comments, did you not? My mind morbid, really I'm not the one who took a beautiful poem about LIFE and TWISTED that into fighting against others, you did this, not I. If you have good intentions, then they are very mixed up as you were about the meaning of the poem.

That's not what "it" is, it is what you are trying to "make it to be", that is the twist right there.


Your quote "You don’t happen to believe that socialism/communism is the agenda for the Democratic Party...I believe that absolutely is and I’ll fight it every opportunity there is..."

That comment is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. WE are not the enemy, WE are not for Communism, WE do not believe in Socialism as our form of government, that is divisive talk and propaganda...WE are NOT the enemy you wish to fight against.

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Dec 7, 2018 09:18:17   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Morgan wrote:
I'm sorry but did you not read this statement?

Why not focus on endorsing and fortifying our constitution and government because if it is, none of those things will happen.

What do you think that means?

All these things you've written about is pure propaganda, twisted facts and misinformation. I have yet to witness anyone's religious rights be taken away when one gets down to the real story, or freedom of speech or press. With the exception of our president putting a gag order on any new research information from the EPA. Haven't figured out how he's gotten away with that, but he has.

The second amendment is safe we saw that all through the Obama years, false threats kept coming up just to provoke more gun hoarding.

People who wish to transgender, that is a personal issue and not an issue for the government, the government is to govern. They don't need to be involved in that they have enough on their plate to contend with, don't you think.

Democrats are not pushing hard the other way, the people who are trying to divide us, have you believing that.

Where did I ever say I wanted to discourage the same foothold to those countries you mentioned. It's not about communism or socialism, those are economic structures, it is about and make no mistake, a system of government by one person with absolute power. An absolutism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, tyranny, monocracy, autarchy, these are the real things to watch out for, but for that matter, we can include, fascism, plutocracy, and oligarchs.

So let me reiterate my first statement

Why not focus on endorsing and fortifying our constitution and government because if it is, none of those things will happen.

I hope this has cleared up some things.
I'm sorry but did you not read this statement? br ... (show quote)



Endorsing and fortifying our Constitution is exactly what we should be doing. Ignoring the many, many incidences of interference into religious freedom is not doing that. If you cannot see the multiple cases of this you are simply not paying attention. Our government indoctrination centers are working every day to make sure our children learn the liberal principles. Have you ever gone to a public school and examined what they are teaching in the books that are used? I have, and it is very disturbing. Of course, as liberals, that is just what you want. I am not as malleable as you suggest. The propaganda machine is alive and active and I believe it is you who are being taken in by the left-leaning media.

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Dec 7, 2018 09:26:15   #
eagleye13 (a regular here)
 
[quote=Jakebrake]
Morgan wrote:


Standing for one's beliefs is fine as long as you don't have to squash what others believe. That is by virtue our freedom of choice.

So Morg, assuming from your statement you would be in favor of denouncing Antifa, BLM, OWS, left wing protesters disrupting Senate Hearings, SEIU thugs beating a black conservative man at a Trump rally, progressives verbally attacking Administration officials enjoying a meal at a restaurant, businesses refusing service to those of differing political beliefs, the plethora of FAKE NEWS articles conjured up by liberal journalists and the never ending onslaught of demeaning, repugnant personal insults toward a man who is only trying to do what he feels is best for the country, much like the halfrican did during his term?
br br b Standing for one's beliefs is fine as l... (show quote)


"Standing for one's beliefs is fine as long as you don't have to squash what others believe. That is by virtue our freedom of choice." - Morgan

"So Morg, assuming from your statement you would be in favor of denouncing Antifa, BLM, OWS, left wing protesters disrupting Senate Hearings, SEIU thugs beating a black conservative man at a Trump rally, progressives verbally attacking Administration officials enjoying a meal at a restaurant, businesses refusing service to those of differing political beliefs, the plethora of FAKE NEWS articles conjured up by liberal journalists and the never ending onslaught of demeaning, repugnant personal insults toward a man who is only trying to do what he feels is best for the country, much like the halfrican did during his term?" - Jakebrake

Morgan, which of these would you denounce?

Antifa,
BLM,
OWS,
left wing protesters disrupting Senate Hearings,
SEIU thugs beating a black conservative man at a Trump rally,
progressives verbally attacking Administration officials enjoying a meal at a restaurant,
businesses refusing service to those of differing political beliefs

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Dec 7, 2018 09:27:03   #
debeda (a regular here)
 
Morgan wrote:
"It" then is not the poem, it is about standing and fighting against others, who, from the false propaganda is against other Americans so clearly stated here in the previous posts from others, I don't see the conversation talking about foreign enemies, it once again is domestic. The other Americans, being Democrats or Liberals, or possibly any other group you don't agree with.


I'm sorry you feel that way, Morgan.

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Dec 7, 2018 09:29:17   #
debeda (a regular here)
 
Morgan wrote:
Then cleary for anyone who understands the true intention and meaning of the poem would not have chosen this poem, which is about the fight against the dying of the light, being your life, as the poet wrote towards his dying father.

Standing for one's beliefs is fine as long as you don't have to squash what others believe. That is by virtue our freedom of choice.

Since you want war maybe this poem is better suited


The Charge of the Light Brigade
By Alfred, Lord Tennyson

I
Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

II
“Forward, the Light Brigade!”
Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered.
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

III
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of hell
Rode the six hundred.

IV
Flashed all their sabres bare,
Flashed as they turned in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wondered.
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right through the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reeled from the sabre stroke
Shattered and sundered.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

V
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell.
They that had fought so well
Came through the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.

VI
When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wondered.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred!
Then cleary for anyone who understands the true in... (show quote)


Your second paragraph describes democrats to a tee. They have been busily squashing anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with them for years now....

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Dec 7, 2018 09:30:02   #
debeda (a regular here)
 
[quote=Jakebrake]
Morgan wrote:


Standing for one's beliefs is fine as long as you don't have to squash what others believe. That is by virtue our freedom of choice.

So Morg, assuming from your statement you would be in favor of denouncing Antifa, BLM, OWS, left wing protesters disrupting Senate Hearings, SEIU thugs beating a black conservative man at a Trump rally, progressives verbally attacking Administration officials enjoying a meal at a restaurant, businesses refusing service to those of differing political beliefs, the plethora of FAKE NEWS articles conjured up by liberal journalists and the never ending onslaught of demeaning, repugnant personal insults toward a man who is only trying to do what he feels is best for the country, much like the halfrican did during his term?
br br b Standing for one's beliefs is fine as l... (show quote)


Oh, wish I would've read yours before responding

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Dec 7, 2018 09:31:06   #
lindajoy (a regular here)
 
Morgan wrote:
Then cleary for anyone who understands the true intention and meaning of the poem would not have chosen this poem, which is about the fight against the dying of the light, being your life, as the poet wrote towards his dying father.

Standing for one's beliefs is fine as long as you don't have to squash what others believe. That is by virtue our freedom of choice.

Since you want war maybe this poem is better suited


The Charge of the Light Brigade
By Alfred, Lord Tennyson

I
Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

II
“Forward, the Light Brigade!”
Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered.
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

III
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of hell
Rode the six hundred.

IV
Flashed all their sabres bare,
Flashed as they turned in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wondered.
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right through the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reeled from the sabre stroke
Shattered and sundered.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

V
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell.
They that had fought so well
Came through the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.

VI
When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wondered.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred!
Then cleary for anyone who understands the true in... (show quote)


Your war scenerio is your own interpretation of the poem as you put out in your first post..
Mine was relative to never giving up the fight and standing for our country as it is protected through the Constitition not some socialist agenda..

Please don’t put words in my post not there.. Expound on your interpretation all you wish, but keep it factual please.. You made it of “fighting and killing Americans”, not I..Totally uncalled for as well..There is enough people filled with hate putting it out there to fester, why create more in such a callous accusation???

The poem you quote is actually a recitation of a devastating “ war” that took place...Look how many we have been in when we shouldn’t have been...Immaterial here, the point being never give up the fight~~ And the patriots of this Nation will not...As I often say when speaking of Socialism /Communism, when hell freezes over!!!

War is never the answer, on this we agree....At least I think that is what you are saying in posting your poem ??

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Dec 7, 2018 09:31:52   #
debeda (a regular here)
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
Endorsing and fortifying our Constitution is exactly what we should be doing. Ignoring the many, many incidences of interference into religious freedom is not doing that. If you cannot see the multiple cases of this you are simply not paying attention. Our government indoctrination centers are working every day to make sure our children learn the liberal principles. Have you ever gone to a public school and examined what they are teaching in the books that are used? I have, and it is very disturbing. Of course, as liberals, that is just what you want. I am not as malleable as you suggest. The propaganda machine is alive and active and I believe it is you who are being taken in by the left-leaning media.
Endorsing and fortifying our Constitution is exact... (show quote)


Right on B-B!!!

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Dec 7, 2018 10:02:27   #
EmilyD (a regular here)
 
proud republican wrote:
You just contradicted yourself,Nikki......You just said that you have to have ID to register to vote, well then if you have your ID then why cant you have your ID when you actually vote...Do you throw your ID away after you register???? That doesnt make sense!!!

I will not respond to Nickolai directly because he knows that I've already proved that in states that have no voter ID laws, you ARE NOT required to produce an ID when you register to vote OR when you go to vote. I know this first hand because when I moved to New York from North Carolina and went to register to vote at the Board of Elections in my county, I handed in my registration form I took out my driver's license and handed it to the clerk. He told me that an ID was not necessary. The guy standing behind me said "that's because New York is one of the states that has no voter ID laws - it is illegal for the clerk to ask you for an ID, and if he does, he would be fired and would have to pay a fine." When I went to vote in both 2016 and this November, no one asked to see my ID - all I did was sign my name in a book that had copied my signature from my registration form.

Nickolai has refused to believe me in past threads on this issue, and basically has called me a liar. I am not lying, this is exactly what happened to both me and my husband.

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Dec 7, 2018 10:08:50   #
eagleye13 (a regular here)
 
EmilyD wrote:
I will not respond to Nickolai directly because he knows that I've already proved that in states that have no voter ID laws, you ARE NOT required to produce an ID when you register to vote OR when you go to vote. I know this first hand because when I moved to New York from North Carolina and went to register to vote at the Board of Elections in my county, I handed in my registration form I took out my driver's license and handed it to the clerk. He told me that an ID was not necessary. The guy standing behind me said "that's because New York is one of the states that has no voter ID laws - it is illegal for the clerk to ask you for an ID, and if he does, he would be fired and would have to pay a fine." When I went to vote in both 2016 and this November, no one asked to see my ID - all I did was sign my name in a book that had copied my signature from my registration form.

Nickolai has refused to believe me in past threads on this issue, and basically has called me a liar. I am not lying, this is exactly what happened to both me and my husband.
I will not respond to Nickolai directly because he... (show quote)


By now; It should be quite obvious why Democrats are against any voter ID identification/Proof of citizenship/multiple voting.

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Dec 7, 2018 10:16:51   #
Jakebrake (a regular here)
 
eagleye13 wrote:
By now; It should be quite obvious why Democrats are against any voter ID identification/Proof of citizenship/multiple voting.


Exactly!



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Dec 7, 2018 10:20:56   #
EmilyD (a regular here)
 
eagleye13 wrote:
By now; It should be quite obvious why Democrats are against any voter ID identification/Proof of citizenship/multiple voting.

Bingo!!!!!

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Dec 7, 2018 10:25:10   #
Morgan (a regular here)
 
Where do we not support religious freedom, except where ones religious freedom would hurt another? Unfortunately, religious freedom does not include a nativity scene on the front of a government office building which many Christians just don't seem to comprehend. Unless we extend that same courtesy to every religion, that can be done. But bias(favoritism) is not acceptable.



bylm1-Bernie wrote:
Endorsing and fortifying our Constitution is exactly what we should be doing. Ignoring the many, many incidences of interference into religious freedom is not doing that. If you cannot see the multiple cases of this you are simply not paying attention. Our government indoctrination centers are working every day to make sure our children learn the liberal principles. Have you ever gone to a public school and examined what they are teaching in the books that are used? I have, and it is very disturbing. Of course, as liberals, that is just what you want. I am not as malleable as you suggest. The propaganda machine is alive and active and I believe it is you who are being taken in by the left-leaning media.
Endorsing and fortifying our Constitution is exact... (show quote)

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Dec 7, 2018 10:32:37   #
eagleye13 (a regular here)
 
Morgan wrote:
Where do we not support religious freedom, except where ones religious freedom would hurt another? Unfortunately, religious freedom does not include a nativity scene on the front of a government office building which many Christians just don't seem to comprehend. Unless we extend that same courtesy to every religion, that can be done. But bias(favoritism) is not acceptable.


Morgan, which of these would you denounce?

Antifa
BLM
OWS
Left wing protesters disrupting Senate Hearings
SEIU thugs beating a black conservative man at a Trump rally
Progressives verbally attacking Administration officials enjoying a meal at a restaurant
Businesses refusing service to those of differing political beliefs

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Dec 7, 2018 10:40:43   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Morgan wrote:
Where do we not support religious freedom, except where ones religious freedom would hurt another? Unfortunately, religious freedom does not include a nativity scene on the front of a government office building which many Christians just don't seem to comprehend. Unless we extend that same courtesy to every religion, that can be done. But bias(favoritism) is not acceptable.



Well, for one instance (or more than one), the bakery (bakeries) who were being sued for not violating their own religious beliefs about designing a cake for same-sex weddings. There were several of these. The argument that they were hurting others is moot since there were other bakeries (many) who would willingly perform the duty for them. It was obvious that the goal was not to produce a wedding cake to their preference but to punish the bakeries for upholding their beliefs. We could go on and on with one example after another but I think you get the idea, and of course will never bend because you are a die-hard liberal, not wanting to understand religious liberty.

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