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Dec 6, 2018 09:49:43   #
lindajoy (a regular here)
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Ignorance is bliss for those who support socialism. Denial is one of the traits socialist democrats put forth when in truth they secretly support ever aspect of socialism, thus denying that it's happening here and now with their cry wolf agenda, in attempting to silence the obvious. All one need do is look at the support Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez garner from the fawning MSM and their committed socialist democrats. College campuses are the melting pots of socialism followed closely by the lazy and not too bright demographic that think socialism is the cure to all their ills.
Ignorance is bliss for those who support socialism... (show quote)


I agree with you and as I read your post it reminded me of this poem~~

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rage at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Dylan Thomas, Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night

In other words, Jake, live boldly and to fight. It implores us to not just "go gentle into the night... Our country is at risk~~~

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Dec 6, 2018 10:06:35   #
debeda (a regular here)
 
lindajoy wrote:
I agree with you and as I read your post it reminded me of this poem~~

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rage at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Dylan Thomas, Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night

In other words, Jake, live boldly and to fight. It implores us to not just "go gentle into the night... Our country is at risk~~~
I agree with you and as I read your post it remind... (show quote)


great reminder

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Dec 6, 2018 10:49:58   #
Jakebrake (a regular here)
 
lindajoy wrote:
I agree with you and as I read your post it reminded me of this poem~~

Dylan Thomas, Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night

In other words, Jake, live boldly and to fight. It implores us to not just "go gentle into the night... Our country is at risk~~~


Thomas's poem should be the mantra for all patriotic freedom loving Americans LJ. You are spot on in your assessment and our country is indeed at a crossroads, which will be the fight for our lives in maintaining our way of life, freedoms and basic human rights. Socialist democrats are intent on changing the basic concept of our once great and proud country to the failed EU model and in preventing this assault by leftists may require extreme measures. Thus the importance of the 2nd Amendment.

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Dec 6, 2018 10:50:54   #
eagleye13 (a regular here)
 
lindajoy wrote:
I agree with you and as I read your post it reminded me of this poem~~

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rage at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Dylan Thomas, Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night

In other words, Jake, live boldly and to fight. It implores us to not just "go gentle into the night... Our country is at risk~~~
I agree with you and as I read your post it remind... (show quote)


A good poem.
Something to give thought to.
We will not "go down" because there are those that fight for right.

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Dec 6, 2018 10:52:54   #
Jakebrake (a regular here)
 
eagleye13 wrote:
A good poem.
Something to give thought to.
We will not "go down" because there are those that fight for right.



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Dec 6, 2018 13:09:39   #
feathernose
 
I hate to say it, but I think we may have to form a secret Patriotic assasination team of some sort to eliminate those in government, and possibly medea that promote idealisms that are contradictory to our Constitutional law.

I know that sounds pretty strong amd maybe far out. ... There would also have to be safeguards against any members or leaders of such a group getting big-headed with power and wanting to control such a group for personal reasons. .. However, some people need to be eliminated to stop selling their ultra liberal ideas to our younger folks. ... I will mention no names but they are in our government now and blabbering in the media.

Some in government have been proven to have made treasonist moves that have not been brought to court and justice. .... You know who they are.

A good sniper team may be the only answer, I am sorry to say.

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Dec 6, 2018 14:26:48   #
Jakebrake (a regular here)
 
feathernose wrote:
I hate to say it, but I think we may have to form a secret Patriotic assasination team of some sort to eliminate those in government, and possibly medea that promote idealisms that are contradictory to our Constitutional law.

I know that sounds pretty strong amd maybe far out. ... There would also have to be safeguards against any members or leaders of such a group getting big-headed with power and wanting to control such a group for personal reasons. .. However, some people need to be eliminated to stop selling their ultra liberal ideas to our younger folks. ... I will mention no names but they are in our government now and blabbering in the media.

Some in government have been proven to have made treasonist moves that have not been brought to court and justice. .... You know who they are.

A good sniper team may be the only answer, I am sorry to say.
I hate to say it, but I think we may have to form ... (show quote)


The left has already started using these tactics, with the socialist democrat who shot up the Republican baseball team.

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Dec 6, 2018 22:40:40   #
Morgan (a regular here)
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
You say our freedoms will never be erased yet, at this moment, there are efforts underway to stifle free speech and freedom of religion. Teachers are being forced to call a "her" a "he" and vice versa. Others are being forced to act against their religious convictions and do things that they believe violates their creeds. There are not a few but many who would gut the 2d amendment and eliminate the Constitutional right to own firearms. You know this, don't you? You may be right that these freedoms will remain intact but it will not be because of Democrats in Congress or the news media who are pushing hard the other way. It will be because of Americans who believe in our rights under the Constitution and who don't or wouldn't shoot anyone or harm anyone with a gun. The insidious invasion of Communism into many countries has never worked, instead it has ruined many countries such as Venezuela, Cuba, Cambodia, North Korea to mention only a few. Yet you want to discourage the fight against the same thing gaining a foothold in this Country? Insane.
You say our freedoms will never be erased yet, at ... (show quote)


I'm sorry but did you not read this statement?

Why not focus on endorsing and fortifying our constitution and government because if it is, none of those things will happen.

What do you think that means?

All these things you've written about is pure propaganda, twisted facts and misinformation. I have yet to witness anyone's religious rights be taken away when one gets down to the real story, or freedom of speech or press. With the exception of our president putting a gag order on any new research information from the EPA. Haven't figured out how he's gotten away with that, but he has.

The second amendment is safe we saw that all through the Obama years, false threats kept coming up just to provoke more gun hoarding.

People who wish to transgender, that is a personal issue and not an issue for the government, the government is to govern. They don't need to be involved in that they have enough on their plate to contend with, don't you think.

Democrats are not pushing hard the other way, the people who are trying to divide us, have you believing that.

Where did I ever say I wanted to discourage the same foothold to those countries you mentioned. It's not about communism or socialism, those are economic structures, it is about and make no mistake, a system of government by one person with absolute power. An absolutism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, tyranny, monocracy, autarchy, these are the real things to watch out for, but for that matter, we can include, fascism, plutocracy, and oligarchs.

So let me reiterate my first statement

Why not focus on endorsing and fortifying our constitution and government because if it is, none of those things will happen.

I hope this has cleared up some things.

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Dec 6, 2018 22:57:43   #
Morgan (a regular here)
 
lindajoy wrote:
I agree with you and as I read your post it reminded me of this poem~~

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rage at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Dylan Thomas, Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night

In other words, Jake, live boldly and to fight. It implores us to not just "go gentle into the night... Our country is at risk~~~
I agree with you and as I read your post it remind... (show quote)


It is so sad that you use this poem to try and ignite a fight against other Americans, who are you really?
Or do you just not know the true meaning behind this poem. It certainly is not about fighting and killing.

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Dec 6, 2018 23:17:15   #
debeda (a regular here)
 
Morgan wrote:
It is so sad that you use this poem to try and ignite a fight against other Americans, who are you really?
Or do you just not know the true meaning behind this poem. It certainly is not about fighting and killing.


No it's about standing for your beliefs. Its about not feeling you're irrelevant, no matter your age. Its about bravery and standing strong even against the tide. Its about not being afraid to speak your truth. How did you get killing out of that, Morgan?

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Dec 7, 2018 00:52:28   #
lindajoy (a regular here)
 
Morgan wrote:
It is so sad that you use this poem to try and ignite a fight against other Americans, who are you really?
Or do you just not know the true meaning behind this poem. It certainly is not about fighting and killing.


How in hell did you get to igniting a fire against other Americans from this poem?? fighting and killing, reeeaaallllyyyy??? Wow, your morbid twist exposes YOUR mind set certainly not mine...

Do you know anything about what it means, why it was written and for whom??
Thomas’ father was dying and this poem came to him while witnessing the finality of life....

How about seeing it for what it is, a strong supplication for us to live boldly and never give up the fight. It implores us to not just "go gentle into that good night," but to rage against it. Even at the end of life, when "grave men" are near death, the poem instructs us to burn with life. Thomas’ meaning is life affirming, it certainly isn’t about fighting against other Americans as you conjure from this beautiful poem..

You a fighter for the things you wish to take place just as everyone else is a fighter to protect what they Believe as well...

You don’t happen to believe that socialism/communism is the agenda for the Democratic Party...I believe that absolutely is and I’ll fight it every opportunity there is...

I made no such statement of fighting and killing other Americans, that is simply absurd on your part and highly inappropriate...

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Dec 7, 2018 00:57:09   #
lindajoy (a regular here)
 
debeda wrote:
No it's about standing for your beliefs. Its about not feeling you're irrelevant, no matter your age. Its about bravery and standing strong even against the tide. Its about not being afraid to speak your truth. How did you get killing out of that, Morgan?


I wish I had read your post before replying to Morgan!!! I’m glad to see you understand the intent of the poem..standing for your beliefs and standing strong~~Especially when its for our country..... Amen, debeda~~

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Dec 7, 2018 08:24:52   #
Morgan (a regular here)
 
debeda wrote:
No it's about standing for your beliefs. Its about not feeling you're irrelevant, no matter your age. Its about bravery and standing strong even against the tide. Its about not being afraid to speak your truth. How did you get killing out of that, Morgan?


"It" then is not the poem, it is about standing and fighting against others, who, from the false propaganda is against other Americans so clearly stated here in the previous posts from others, I don't see the conversation talking about foreign enemies, it once again is domestic. The other Americans, being Democrats or Liberals, or possibly any other group you don't agree with.

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Dec 7, 2018 08:29:04   #
Morgan (a regular here)
 
lindajoy wrote:
I wish I had read your post before replying to Morgan!!! I’m glad to see you understand the intent of the poem..standing for your beliefs and standing strong~~Especially when its for our country..... Amen, debeda~~


Then cleary for anyone who understands the true intention and meaning of the poem would not have chosen this poem, which is about the fight against the dying of the light, being your life, as the poet wrote towards his dying father.

Standing for one's beliefs is fine as long as you don't have to squash what others believe. That is by virtue our freedom of choice.

Since you want war maybe this poem is better suited


The Charge of the Light Brigade
By Alfred, Lord Tennyson

I
Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

II
“Forward, the Light Brigade!”
Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered.
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

III
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of hell
Rode the six hundred.

IV
Flashed all their sabres bare,
Flashed as they turned in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wondered.
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right through the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reeled from the sabre stroke
Shattered and sundered.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

V
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell.
They that had fought so well
Came through the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.

VI
When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wondered.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred!

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Dec 7, 2018 09:02:45   #
Jakebrake (a regular here)
 
[quote=Morgan]

Standing for one's beliefs is fine as long as you don't have to squash what others believe. That is by virtue our freedom of choice.

So Morg, assuming from your statement you would be in favor of denouncing Antifa, BLM, OWS, left wing protesters disrupting Senate Hearings, SEIU thugs beating a black conservative man at a Trump rally, progressives verbally attacking Administration officials enjoying a meal at a restaurant, businesses refusing service to those of differing political beliefs, the plethora of FAKE NEWS articles conjured up by liberal journalists and the never ending onslaught of demeaning, repugnant personal insults toward a man who is only trying to do what he feels is best for the country, much like the halfrican did during his term?

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