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Nov 27, 2018 10:56:56   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
So it's assumed by seemingly all that rising CO2 levels, secondary to man and his burning of f****l f**ls, is the cause of the warming of the globe.

Ok, fine. Then why, in ice core samples and other areas of data acquisition, does the rise in CO2 levels FOLLOW the warming? Why and HOW was the CO2 levels much HIGHER than now during the last ice age? Why are CO2 levels virtually the same now as in 1850 and yet the most warming has supposedly occurred in the past 15 to 20 years??

This assumption that CO2 is the offending gas in g****l w*****g is absurd, based upon what we find in evidence.

In this new report there are a lot of examples of evidence for warming. No doubt. But, within the report, there is zero evidence that rising CO2 levels is the cause.

Is this point just over the top of our heads??? Why is it assumed when there is nothing to support it?? For all we know it could be radio and EM emissions from all of our electronic flotsam!!! Remember, before this current warming, there was zero EM emissions beyond background emissions from the universe! Hmmm! And sosn't forget the effect of the concrete jungles!!!!!!!!!!

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Nov 27, 2018 11:24:29   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
So it's assumed by seemingly all that rising CO2 levels, secondary to man and his burning of f****l f**ls, is the cause of the warming of the globe.

Ok, fine. Then why, in ice core samples and other areas of data acquisition, does the rise in CO2 levels FOLLOW the warming? Why and HOW was the CO2 levels much HIGHER than now during the last ice age? Why are CO2 levels virtually the same now as in 1850 and yet the most warming has supposedly occurred in the past 15 to 20 years??

This assumption that CO2 is the offending gas in g****l w*****g is absurd, based upon what we find in evidence.

In this new report there are a lot of examples of evidence for warming. No doubt. But, within the report, there is zero evidence that rising CO2 levels is the cause.

Is this point just over the top of our heads??? Why is it assumed when there is nothing to support it?? For all we know it could be radio and EM emissions from all of our electronic flotsam!!! Remember, before this current warming, there was zero EM emissions beyond background emissions from the universe! Hmmm! And sosn't forget the effect of the concrete jungles!!!!!!!!!!
So it's assumed by seemingly all that rising CO2 l... (show quote)


Al Gore just wrote you out of his will.

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Nov 27, 2018 12:03:58   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
padremike wrote:
Al Gore just wrote you out of his will.


Rats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There goes all my AGW monies!!!!!!

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Nov 27, 2018 12:15:34   #
MatthewlovesAyn Loc: Ohio
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
So it's assumed by seemingly all that rising CO2 levels, secondary to man and his burning of f****l f**ls, is the cause of the warming of the globe.

Ok, fine. Then why, in ice core samples and other areas of data acquisition, does the rise in CO2 levels FOLLOW the warming? Why and HOW was the CO2 levels much HIGHER than now during the last ice age? Why are CO2 levels virtually the same now as in 1850 and yet the most warming has supposedly occurred in the past 15 to 20 years??

This assumption that CO2 is the offending gas in g****l w*****g is absurd, based upon what we find in evidence.

In this new report there are a lot of examples of evidence for warming. No doubt. But, within the report, there is zero evidence that rising CO2 levels is the cause.

Is this point just over the top of our heads??? Why is it assumed when there is nothing to support it?? For all we know it could be radio and EM emissions from all of our electronic flotsam!!! Remember, before this current warming, there was zero EM emissions beyond background emissions from the universe! Hmmm! And sosn't forget the effect of the concrete jungles!!!!!!!!!!
So it's assumed by seemingly all that rising CO2 l... (show quote)


Evidence doesn't count. Only the narrative.

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Nov 27, 2018 12:20:04   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
MatthewlovesAyn wrote:
Evidence doesn't count. Only the narrative.


Very true! But we need to hound them for evidence, especially something as very basic ass the actual cause of warming, before we commit tons of cash on trying to reduce CO2 emissions. I actually think that most who are big on g****l w*****g would be much less big on it if they actually knew that we don't know it's caused by man made CO2 emissions. They accept it because they are inundated with it by the alarmists.

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Nov 27, 2018 12:24:59   #
MatthewlovesAyn Loc: Ohio
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Very true! But we need to hound them for evidence, especially something as very basic ass the actual cause of warming, before we commit tons of cash on trying to reduce CO2 emissions. I actually think that most who are big on g****l w*****g would be much less big on it if they actually knew that we don't know it's caused by man made CO2 emissions. They accept it because they are inundated with it by the alarmists.


I'm afraid I have a much more cynical view of g****l w*****g alarmists than you. I think they are a bunch of wealth redistributing son of a b***hes.

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Nov 27, 2018 12:36:37   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
MatthewlovesAyn wrote:
I'm afraid I have a much more cynical view of g****l w*****g alarmists than you. I think they are a bunch of wealth redistributing son of a b***hes.


You're too vague. Try to be more specific.

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Nov 27, 2018 13:06:07   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
padremike wrote:
You're too vague. Try to be more specific.


Ya'll are funny!

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Nov 27, 2018 13:32:25   #
Elmer Werth
 
Marketing terror has always been a favorite activity of the class of people that want power and income without having to do productive work. It has made Al Gore wealthy beyond his wildest dreams and provided guaranteed income to a lot of self appointed scientists that manufacture false data or lie about temp. measurements. Storms and temp. fluctuations we have always had. Some evidence exists that indicates the earth went through a period of high co2 levels in early times when plant growth flourished and animals grew large and healthy. Change can occur that is beyond our feeble power to alter it.
Elmer Werth

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Nov 27, 2018 14:15:35   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Elmer Werth wrote:
Marketing terror has always been a favorite activity of the class of people that want power and income without having to do productive work. It has made Al Gore wealthy beyond his wildest dreams and provided guaranteed income to a lot of self appointed scientists that manufacture false data or lie about temp. measurements. Storms and temp. fluctuations we have always had. Some evidence exists that indicates the earth went through a period of high co2 levels in early times when plant growth flourished and animals grew large and healthy. Change can occur that is beyond our feeble power to alter it.
Elmer Werth
Marketing terror has always been a favorite activi... (show quote)


I also can't help but think that so many in the cable TV world like to hype up the storms to try to increase ratings.

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Nov 27, 2018 14:54:02   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
So it's assumed by seemingly all that rising CO2 levels, secondary to man and his burning of f****l f**ls, is the cause of the warming of the globe.

Ok, fine. Then why, in ice core samples and other areas of data acquisition, does the rise in CO2 levels FOLLOW the warming? Why and HOW was the CO2 levels much HIGHER than now during the last ice age? Why are CO2 levels virtually the same now as in 1850 and yet the most warming has supposedly occurred in the past 15 to 20 years??

This assumption that CO2 is the offending gas in g****l w*****g is absurd, based upon what we find in evidence.

In this new report there are a lot of examples of evidence for warming. No doubt. But, within the report, there is zero evidence that rising CO2 levels is the cause.

Is this point just over the top of our heads??? Why is it assumed when there is nothing to support it?? For all we know it could be radio and EM emissions from all of our electronic flotsam!!! Remember, before this current warming, there was zero EM emissions beyond background emissions from the universe! Hmmm! And sosn't forget the effect of the concrete jungles!!!!!!!!!!
So it's assumed by seemingly all that rising CO2 l... (show quote)


It is not that man kind is the biggest part of the warming .
It that the planet is warming & evfer6y little bit that man kind has a part in plays a role.
I am sorry but any respect I once had for what you have said has caused me to revaluate your credibility.
This perhaps is as big a problem as any other that man kind faces.
The only thing as big or bigger would be a nuclear war.

I am siting here in Wisconsin seeing those to the south & east of us getting the harsh weather we have normally faced at this time of year.
The thing is we can live with what ever winter throws at us better than those facing these storms else where now.
It is thought that it is the warming in the artic that is the reason for that.

It is the warming of surface oceans that is making more strong storms causing more damage than ever before.
Farther north than before.

I live inland near a large body of water that helps have a better balance to the weather.
As storm centers near the cool air from over the lake is sucked inland & weakens summer storms.

Where I live is more chance than personal choice I do chose to stay here.

Life goes on & I hope things are well with you.

Close you mind & form you own conclusion.

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Nov 27, 2018 16:13:27   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
It is not that man kind is the biggest part of the warming .
It that the planet is warming & evfer6y little bit that man kind has a part in plays a role.
I am sorry but any respect I once had for what you have said has caused me to revaluate your credibility.
This perhaps is as big a problem as any other that man kind faces.
The only thing as big or bigger would be a nuclear war.

I am siting here in Wisconsin seeing those to the south & east of us getting the harsh weather we have normally faced at this time of year.
The thing is we can live with what ever winter throws at us better than those facing these storms else where now.
It is thought that it is the warming in the artic that is the reason for that.

It is the warming of surface oceans that is making more strong storms causing more damage than ever before.
Farther north than before.

I live inland near a large body of water that helps have a better balance to the weather.
As storm centers near the cool air from over the lake is sucked inland & weakens summer storms.

Where I live is more chance than personal choice I do chose to stay here.

Life goes on & I hope things are well with you.

Close you mind & form you own conclusion.
It is not that man kind is the biggest part of the... (show quote)


My mind is open to any and all evidence that made made cO2 is the culprit causing g****l w*****g. I see no true evidence that it is and, in fact, I see just the opposite; CO2 increases lag behind warming and thus, are NOT the cause of it. I see the warming but not that CO2 is the cause. At the risk of my credibility, explain to me why, in the ice cores, CO2 levels increase AFTER warming and how could CO2 levels have been much, much higher during the ice ages.

As for storms, well, there is some evidence that hurricanes are becoming more frequent and somewhat stronger, but it's a mild trend and we cannot know if it will persist over the next hundred years or not. I haven't really looked at other w*****r p*****ns such as winter storms. We never even called them storms or named them. Our technology now lets us see them in the big picture and they are easily seen and predicted. But I'm sure they have always been like that, we just never knew. Given our short time here being able to measure them, what makes you think these types of things have never been??

What is the ultimate danger here Floyd??

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Nov 27, 2018 23:06:10   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
My mind is open to any and all evidence that made made cO2 is the culprit causing g****l w*****g. I see no true evidence that it is and, in fact, I see just the opposite; CO2 increases lag behind warming and thus, are NOT the cause of it. I see the warming but not that CO2 is the cause. At the risk of my credibility, explain to me why, in the ice cores, CO2 levels increase AFTER warming and how could CO2 levels have been much, much higher during the ice ages.

As for storms, well, there is some evidence that hurricanes are becoming more frequent and somewhat stronger, but it's a mild trend and we cannot know if it will persist over the next hundred years or not. I haven't really looked at other w*****r p*****ns such as winter storms. We never even called them storms or named them. Our technology now lets us see them in the big picture and they are easily seen and predicted. But I'm sure they have always been like that, we just never knew. Given our short time here being able to measure them, what makes you think these types of things have never been??

What is the ultimate danger here Floyd??
My mind is open to any and all evidence that made ... (show quote)


Well for me living inland at over 800 feet above sea level & near a large lake that dampers tornados that get close.
No very much.

For those living less that 50 feet above see level very much.
Things will get a lot worse for many before there would be a need for me to be personally concerned.

The word seems to be t that over 40% of the people live at 50 feet or less above sea level.
One way or another almost every pays some thing towards that problem.

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Nov 28, 2018 08:16:35   #
Bcon
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
So it's assumed by seemingly all that rising CO2 levels, secondary to man and his burning of f****l f**ls, is the cause of the warming of the globe.

Ok, fine. Then why, in ice core samples and other areas of data acquisition, does the rise in CO2 levels FOLLOW the warming? Why and HOW was the CO2 levels much HIGHER than now during the last ice age? Why are CO2 levels virtually the same now as in 1850 and yet the most warming has supposedly occurred in the past 15 to 20 years??

This assumption that CO2 is the offending gas in g****l w*****g is absurd, based upon what we find in evidence.

In this new report there are a lot of examples of evidence for warming. No doubt. But, within the report, there is zero evidence that rising CO2 levels is the cause.

Is this point just over the top of our heads??? Why is it assumed when there is nothing to support it?? For all we know it could be radio and EM emissions from all of our electronic flotsam!!! Remember, before this current warming, there was zero EM emissions beyond background emissions from the universe! Hmmm! And sosn't forget the effect of the concrete jungles!!!!!!!!!!
So it's assumed by seemingly all that rising CO2 l... (show quote)


There has been g****l w*****g and cooling ,for millenia. There is no discernible proof that it is man made. Look to who is pushing this theory, and why. Follow the money for the answer.

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Nov 28, 2018 09:57:41   #
MatthewlovesAyn Loc: Ohio
 
Bcon wrote:
There has been g****l w*****g and cooling ,for millenia. There is no discernible proof that it is man made. Look to who is pushing this theory, and why. Follow the money for the answer.


Amazing how many people (like Floyd) mistake anecdotal for evidential. People like Algore who claim to be doing something by "raising awareness" remind me of the snake oil salesmen of the nineteenth and early twentieth century. Their ingredients just don't work. And his 'carbon footprint' is the size of some small towns.

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