redpill Loc: Oregon - not PDX

John Lennon asked us if we could Imagine a world without ... many things, a world of peace, etc... Well, I could imagine a Nation without California. Their strong far left-wing world is not the world I would want to live in. The "environmentalists" prevent sound land use management to the point that horrific wildfires burn nearly constantly. Their weird logic against f****l f**l usage baffles most minds as we watch them in grid lock guzzling millions of gallons of gasoline everyday on their more and more complex environment destroying highway and parking lot systems (a' la Joni Mitchell).

So let's just secede from them. They can keep Hollywood, Disney Land, and all the immigrants they want. We'll negotiate trade deals with them and build our wall around them.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

You know,not all Californians are i***ts...Some of us still have brains and v**e GOP!!!

kankune Loc: Iowa

Proud...you're not close to those fires are ya?

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

No, thank God!!!!...Its so sad though...People burned alive in their vehicles because they didnt have enough time to get out...

redpill Loc: Oregon - not PDX

I know but just wanted to address the lefties. I would hope that the secession will include the Blue portions of Oregon and Washington. If they became a new nation, we will have to be sure to have access to the Pacific. Maybe the Dems will all fall into the ocean when the Big One hits.

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

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So, you want the west coast to secede, but only under your conditions. That’s like Trumpet saying he’ll work with the Dems, but only if they agree not investigate all of his illegal activities. What a joke!

With all of the federal tax dollars California SENDS to D.C., you’d better be praying California doesn’t secede. Otherwise, YOUR state and local taxes would go up a LOT, just to make-up the differences. Oddly, it’s the RED STATES who require the most federal assistance.

Go to this website: https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/#red-vs-blue

There you’ll see for yourself, listed from 1st (most dependent upon federal dollars) to 50th (least dependent upon federal dollars) how your state compares to those states of the west coast.

FYI: California ranks 39th, which puts it in the pot with those states that DO NOT use a lot of federal dollars. How does you state rank, redpill?

Me thinks doth protest too much.

cund

Proud Republican, you are so right!

cund

We would love to split up California and let the welfare receipients be support by the Hollywood elite, the mainstream news media and the rest of the coastal elites; too bad we have to contend with "progressive" judges who legislate instead of upholding the constitution, here in, what once was a beautiful state!

Richard94611

If you are baffled by the logic against f****l f**l usage, it is only because you are ignorant and uninformed concerning the science of the subject.

Seth

It's always the same, "Trump's crimes." What crimes?

Why isn't it ever B******i, Uranium One, Hillary's pay-to-play as SecState, Fast & Furious, the IRS scandal -- oh, wait, I forgot... Obama had a scandal free eight years, what am I saying?

BTW -- President Trump has approved California for the emergency relief they requested, due to another of the major forest fires it could have avoided, along with all its 40+ human lives taken and megamillions in property destruction, by the simple process of thinning out the forests and clearing dead trees and underbrush.

But no, the environmentalists forbid it, so there'll be more fires and more destruction, more deaths and, as now... More declarations of disaster and more disaster relief from the taxpayers in all those states California doesn't need any help from.

Did I leave anything out?

Richard94611

Did you leave anything out? Yes. Accurate facts.

Seth

Please enlighten me.

Seth

Okay, since you won't.

The fire presently blazing has reached Malibu. I've hiked some of the canyons in that area, including Tuna Canyon, which is IN Malibu.

You know what I saw? Lots of different varieties of pine and other types of trees, many dried out, some obviously dead and a thick carpet of dead foliage, dead, dried foliage everywhere.

A narrow stream runs down the canyon, I traced it's source, it seems to come from an underground lake. The stream is so narrow as to provide little relief from any trees that might fall across it if they're on fire.

A dropped cigarette butt not entirely extinguished could turn the entire canyon into a blazing inferno very quickly, and the way it is situated, no one would notice until the fire had spilled over the top into Topanga Canyon, another dry, fire ready hazard and no different from any of the other neighboring canyons.

As I understand it, and I could be wrong, those aren't federal lands, they belong to either L.A. County or the State of California. A friend from the area tells me they are not federally owned.

I've hiked forests further north, including the section of the Sierras that are within the State of California and there is no difference.

I've hiked Mt. Tamalpais in the Bay Area, again, no difference.

Mendocino, no difference.

No wonder you don't have an explanation as to why I am "wrong."

redpill Loc: Oregon - not PDX

proud republican ... I watch the news every chance I get about the fires. I pray for those people. What a horrendous situation. Stay safe.

Interesting article by Mike Adams...
https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-11-12-iq-test-californias-fires-are-caused-by-c*****e-c****e.html

Lonewolf

Because Hillary comited no crimes just Alex Jones bs