BoJester

Yep, the so-called "pro-life" anti-legal-a******n crowd, will soon be happy to have the fools at fnc report on the increasing number of young women who are self-inducing a******ns. Some will likely die if they are unable to seek medical treatment if necessary.

Wonder if all of the silly people will change their tune if their daughter or grand-daughter becomes one of the victims of stupidly self-righteous.


http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/fault-lines/2014/4/one-woman-self-inducesana******nasnewtexasa******nlawstakeeffect.html

Brian Devon

Bo, usually I agree with you but not this time. Back Alley a******ns are a straw man. Young women do indeed have other options. They can commit an act of love and surrender their baby to adoption. This prevents many of them from being swallowed up by guilt in later life. It also gives infertile couples the chance to know the joys of parenthood.

As a genuine liberal, I feel that all of us should be committed to the betterment of the least blessed members of our society. This includes the homeless, the frail, the addicted, the elderly, and the unborn. In that sense I am kind of like an old-fashioned liberal Catholic, even though I am not a bible-believer.

BoJester

Adoption would be preferable to a******n, but like many other options, the cost of legal adoption is unreachable for many middle and low income couples. There is too much "profit" in the adoption business.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Hello Bo,

I am sure that there will still, as there have always been even with the legalization and support that a******n clinics enjoy, a number of home style a******ns. In particular in areas such as where this girl lives. I am for education on pregnancy prevention and that takes dedicated and loving parents. I am sure you were also taught, a ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure.

Thank you for the link. I found it insightful.

Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE

The laws in Texas did not change the circumstances of this young woman, as there never was an a******n provider in Rio Grande Valley. And closest one was still in 130 miles away.

If she had gone to the nearest legal a******n clinic and similar complications had ensued, she would have been in the exact same situation.

Which is why such a law requiring higher standards for a******n providers is good.

Brian Devon

Bo, I am confused by your response. Private adoption agencies, funded by various religious communities, provide the opportunity for infertile adults to adopt on a sliding fee scale. Not everyone need to go the very expensive route of lawyer sponsored adoptions. I used to work for a Catholic adoption agency.

There are many things that make me uncomfortable about the Catholic Church. However, I must give credit where credit is due. The agency I worked for was scrupulously honest and never favored wealthier couples over those who struggled financially. They truly followed the golden rule and treated others as they would wish to be treated. This included the birth-mothers as well as the couples.

BoJester

Ginny, I agree about the "ounce of prevention", and am puzzled why the religiousconservatives are so opposed to contraception. One has to be preferable to the other by almost all rational and sane people who are capable of thinking.

Self-induced a******n, while not new, may become much more problematic is more states follow Texas

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Thank you Bo, I can not speak for everyone but only for myself, I do not see an a******n as a means of contraceptive. My mother, a very strict and straight laced woman that viewed sex outside of marriage as wrong, also had practical sense. When I was 11 she sat me down and had the sex talk. Then at 15 she once again had the talk with me, this time she went into detail on how to prevent pregnancy. The next year I went off to college, she promptly took me to our family doctor and he gave me a prescription for birth control pills. Being a book worm and rather shy, I did not have a need for the prescription....needless to say, I was "unspoiled" when I married. But, my point is that mothers must discuss sex with their daughters and fathers must talk with their sons. If this is not comfortable for them, then they do not have an open relationship with their child; of course I could say more on that. However, a doctor would be a great substitute.

Self induced a******ns are very risky. Many times they are not complete, the girl/woman run the risk of infections and so on. I share your concern for those that resort to such measures. I would rather see a child placed for adoption if pregnancy occurs, but you and I know that society is so conditioned to believe that a******n is contraceptive measure that some will attempt to abort babies with drugs, sharp objects, and so on.

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

I wish I could remember the name of the doctor that testified in row vs wade. Who later admitted to lying to the court about how many back alley a******ns really were occurring. Then many many years later after making a film of one of his a******ns and watching the fetus desperately trying to get away from the instrument of its death finally realized what a horrible thing it was he was doing and never did another one again the rest of his life.

I'm sorry Bo, but murder is murder no mater how young the victim my be.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I do not know the name of the doctor, however the "spin doctor" that sold the idea that a******n was the sophisticated and intellectual alternative was Nathanson who has admitted that he and others made up a significant portion of the data used by new producers. Nathanson today admits he and his a******n colleagues lied left and right. What’s the most powerful a******n marketing slogan of all? “Women are dying.” It just seems to trump all other points. In the years before Roe v. Wade, we always heard that 5,000 to 10,000 women were dying every year in the U.S. from illegal, botched a******ns. This is what Nathanson and his a******n marketer cohorts were claiming. But it wasn’t true – not even close – and they knew it.

Do you know how many women actually died from illegal, botched a******ns in 1972, the last full year before Roe v. Wade? According to the Centers for Disease Control, it wasn’t 5,000 or 10,000, it wasn’t even 1,000 – it was 39. Thirty-nine!

Quoted from CDC: "Deaths of women associated with complications from a******ns for 2009 are being investigated under CDC's Pregnancy Mortality Surveillance System. In 2008, the most recent year for which data were available, 12 women were reported to have died as a result of complications from known legal induced a******ns. No reported deaths were associated with known illegal induced a******ns."

Indeed, if you look at the ruling, it is based on the right of privacy not on what is or is not medically sound.

Alicia Loc: NYC

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The difficulty and "cost" of adption is prohibitive for many. And the wealthy don't seem to be taking in others' children. Why do you think that many adopt foreign children?

Brian Devon

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Alicia,
Social Service agencies like Catholic Family Services and Jewish Family Services offer adoption on a sliding fee scale. You don't have to be wealthy to adopt.

Many people of wealth, in fact do adopt. I know a woman, a millionaire, who adopted 4 drug addicted infants and raised them to adulthood.

Alicia Loc: NYC

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I'm so glad to hear of that. Thanks for the information. I must be out of date because I recall the difficulty many prospective parents had with Social Services. One of the big things with these services was looking into income. It is much easier for those with large incomes to adopt.

Brian Devon

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Alicia,
It's always easier for folks, with large incomes to do anything. It should not, however, stop folks with lesser means from adopting children and starting their families.

DotsMan

Bo: I don't think "most" religious conservatives are opposed to contraceptives. True some, especially the Catholic Church are opposed. What most of are opposed to is having the government require that we pay other peoples bills for it. My wife and I had some employer paid insurance most of our lives but we always managed to pay for prevention out of our pockets. People who are willing to pay $200 a month for a cell phone should not complain about the cost of birth control pills.