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Oct 21, 2018 16:01:40   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
A person who I think is a troll for the right.
Made a statement.

That Liberals are threating the right to OBEY OR BE DESTROYED.

I contend that this is from some on the right that message is being delivered.

I would like to state that it is my hope & wish to find the means for us all to get along & live with harmony together.
I get the impression that many do not like to take the message I keep giving to heart.

That is okay by me.
My life is fine.
I live well with in my resources.
I have the time & inclination to offer what I feel is fitting answers to the problems we all face.

So to those that feel being divided as a nation is best for them.
Good luck because a divided nation is a dying nation.
It is only filling as I am just an old man that is close to the end also.

As are many on this site.
Together we will leave the mess we all were apart of in one way or another to those that follow.
My only real hope is that some of my words will reach some one that will make a change.
I am just confident enough to believe that I have.

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Oct 21, 2018 16:36:16   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
A person who I think is a troll for the right.
Made a statement.

That Liberals are threatening the right to OBEY OR BE DESTROYED.

I contend that this is from some on the right that message is being delivered.

I would like to state that it is my hope & wish to find the means for us all to get along & live with harmony together.
I get the impression that many do not like to take the message I keep giving to heart.

That is okay by me.
My life is fine.
I live well with in my resources.
I have the time & inclination to offer what I feel is fitting answers to the problems we all face.

So to those that feel being divided as a nation is best for them.
Good luck because a divided nation is a dying nation.
It is only filling as I am just an old man that is close to the end also.

As are many on this site.
Together we will leave the mess we all were a part of in one way or another to those that follow.
My only real hope is that some of my words will reach some one that will make a change.
I am just confident enough to believe that I have.
A person who I think is a troll for the right. br ... (show quote)

For what it's worth, Floyd: You do not stand alone, as I share many of your thoughts...and, apparently your values.

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Oct 21, 2018 17:22:42   #
Lonewolf
 
I share a lot of your thoughts but at times I get way overzealous and type faster than I can think I love your posts and have learned much! thanks






Floyd Brown wrote:
A person who I think is a troll for the right.
Made a statement.

That Liberals are threating the right to OBEY OR BE DESTROYED.

I contend that this is from some on the right that message is being delivered.

I would like to state that it is my hope & wish to find the means for us all to get along & live with harmony together.
I get the impression that many do not like to take the message I keep giving to heart.

That is okay by me.
My life is fine.
I live well with in my resources.
I have the time & inclination to offer what I feel is fitting answers to the problems we all face.

So to those that feel being divided as a nation is best for them.
Good luck because a divided nation is a dying nation.
It is only filling as I am just an old man that is close to the end also.

As are many on this site.
Together we will leave the mess we all were apart of in one way or another to those that follow.
My only real hope is that some of my words will reach some one that will make a change.
I am just confident enough to believe that I have.
A person who I think is a troll for the right. br ... (show quote)

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Oct 21, 2018 20:11:43   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
slatten49 wrote:
For what it's worth, Floyd: You do not stand alone, as I share many of your thoughts...and, apparently your values.


It has been your kind words to me from my first coming on this site that has been refreshing.
Now with all that I have said you find merit in some of what I say is comforting.

I guess I only wish I had more of your tactfulness.

As a person with a dwindling amount of time left I look at what I am doing is leaving a bit of my life for others to evaluate & help them to grasp what needs to be done.
Change will only really take place after most of us old White Males pass the baton on.

Or have it taken from us.

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Oct 21, 2018 20:15:48   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
A person who I think is a troll for the right.
Made a statement.

That Liberals are threating the right to OBEY OR BE DESTROYED.

I contend that this is from some on the right that message is being delivered.

I would like to state that it is my hope & wish to find the means for us all to get along & live with harmony together.
I get the impression that many do not like to take the message I keep giving to heart.

That is okay by me.
My life is fine.
I live well with in my resources.
I have the time & inclination to offer what I feel is fitting answers to the problems we all face.

So to those that feel being divided as a nation is best for them.
Good luck because a divided nation is a dying nation.
It is only filling as I am just an old man that is close to the end also.

As are many on this site.
Together we will leave the mess we all were apart of in one way or another to those that follow.
My only real hope is that some of my words will reach some one that will make a change.
I am just confident enough to believe that I have.
A person who I think is a troll for the right. br ... (show quote)



C'est Moi, pafret I made that statement as a rebuttal response to your paeans of praise for liberal Democrats and I backed it up with enough instances to carry my point. There was no trolling, my opinions are my own and your plonking glop about how noble and holy Democrats are makes my teeth ache.

You may be old and tired but I am merely old and I will continue to resist such pablum propaganda until my last breath. We are faced with too many serious problems to settle for consensus resolutions. We need correct and accurate fixes and if this means strife within Congress, this is why they get the big bucks. Slug it out verbally or otherwise but come up with what is best for the nation, not some half-assed patchwork that falls apart within five years.

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Oct 21, 2018 21:04:47   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
pafret wrote:
C'est Moi, pafret I made that statement as a rebuttal response to your paeans of praise for liberal Democrats and I backed it up with enough instances to carry my point. There was no trolling, my opinions are my own and your plonking glop about how noble and holy Democrats are makes my teeth ache.

You may be old and tired but I am merely old and I will continue to resist such pablum propaganda until my last breath. We are faced with too many serious problems to settle for consensus resolutions. We need correct and accurate fixes and if this means strife within Congress, this is why they get the big bucks. Slug it out verbally or otherwise but come up with what is best for the nation, not some half-assed patchwork that falls apart within five years.
b C'est Moi, pafret /b I made that statement as... (show quote)


If you are on the right page.
Why is it what I have to say bothers you so?
I don't need an answer to that .
But you need to ask your self that question.

I will say this:
This may be the last big push by big money buying v**es.

Congress is bought & paid for by big money

I see the hand writing on the wall.
The day of the white male being in charge is changing.
The privileges that were once in the soul domain of the white male are going to be shared with others.
There is going to be less wealth to share with underlings.

I am not defending the democrats.
I am defending liberal morals & empathy's.
I am not saying conservatives lack either.
But they do fall short of where they should be.

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Oct 21, 2018 21:27:22   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Lonewolf wrote:
I share a lot of your thoughts but at times I get way overzealous and type faster than I can think I love your posts and have learned much! thanks


We are looked at as being the bad guys by many on this site.
I think it is just a matter of speaking up & letting our voices heard.

All we need to do is just say what we truly believe.
Our voices are being heard & the day is getting closer to when our voices will be heard as clear & loud as any voices.
We do not have to shout or shrink from that task.

There is fear in the minds of many that they may lose their hold on what takes place in this country.

No matter what happens.
All of us on this site will experience much the same results.
For just how will they be able to tell us apart?
No matter what happens it those that differ from us on issues.
Will look at it as a loss.

We will all gain or lose much the same.
We will be looked as equals to those on the right.
Or those on the right will end up looking like us on the left.
All being treated much the same.
That is the fear.

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Oct 21, 2018 21:31:11   #
JoyV
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
A person who I think is a troll for the right.
Made a statement.

That Liberals are threating the right to OBEY OR BE DESTROYED.

I contend that this is from some on the right that message is being delivered.

I would like to state that it is my hope & wish to find the means for us all to get along & live with harmony together.
I get the impression that many do not like to take the message I keep giving to heart.

That is okay by me.
My life is fine.
I live well with in my resources.
I have the time & inclination to offer what I feel is fitting answers to the problems we all face.

So to those that feel being divided as a nation is best for them.
Good luck because a divided nation is a dying nation.
It is only filling as I am just an old man that is close to the end also.

As are many on this site.
Together we will leave the mess we all were apart of in one way or another to those that follow.
My only real hope is that some of my words will reach some one that will make a change.
I am just confident enough to believe that I have.
A person who I think is a troll for the right. br ... (show quote)


If you think the rhetoric and strife in Congress is bad now, go back in history and read about the Continental Congress. Anyone not understanding how little individualists are to being agreeable and cooperating, would assume ever getting a constitution passed would be a miracle!

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Oct 21, 2018 21:49:14   #
JoyV
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
If you are on the right page.
Why is it what I have to say bothers you so?
I don't need an answer to that .
But you need to ask your self that question.

I will say this:
This may be the last big push by big money buying v**es.

Congress is bought & paid for by big money

I see the hand writing on the wall.
The day of the white male being in charge is changing.
The privileges that were once in the soul domain of the white male are going to be shared with others.
There is going to be less wealth to share with underlings.

I am not defending the democrats.
I am defending liberal morals & empathy's.
I am not saying conservatives lack either.
But they do fall short of where they should be.
If you are on the right page. br Why is it what I ... (show quote)


So in other words you do not care about e******y or a good life for minorities, but about revenge for what t***spired in the past. And if that hammer of revenge harms the innocent--too bad. Have you yourself experienced minority discrimination? Are you yourself on a minority race? If not, as someone from a minority race who lived through the changes in race relations from not only being discriminated but not even being eligible for citizenship though I and my ancestors were all born here--to the civil rights movement--to the law mandating American Indians have full citizenship in 1978. Going from being the bad guys in films and books to being so romanticized that non Indians lie to claim they are one of us.

So what do I think about the progressive (NOT liberal) view that white men need to be brought low? I think gaining e******y took a lot of effort and sacrifice and should be cherished, utilized, and enjoyed. To waste the gift we who fought for it in trying to harm others is disappointing and even disgraceful. You want to show white men up? Be a success!!!! Just like what Jesse Owens did was far more effective than protests and r**ts. He made the N**is eat their words by succeeding and winning more medals than any up till that time than any in their precious master race.

There is an American Indian saying. Roughly t***slated. "You can't soar like an eagle while holding someone down."

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Oct 21, 2018 22:41:40   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
JoyV wrote:
So in other words you do not care about e******y or a good life for minorities, but about revenge for what t***spired in the past. And if that hammer of revenge harms the innocent--too bad. Have you yourself experienced minority discrimination? Are you yourself on a minority race? If not, as someone from a minority race who lived through the changes in race relations from not only being discriminated but not even being eligible for citizenship though I and my ancestors were all born here--to the civil rights movement--to the law mandating American Indians have full citizenship in 1978. Going from being the bad guys in films and books to being so romanticized that non Indians lie to claim they are one of us.

So what do I think about the progressive (NOT liberal) view that white men need to be brought low? I think gaining e******y took a lot of effort and sacrifice and should be cherished, utilized, and enjoyed. To waste the gift we who fought for it in trying to harm others is disappointing and even disgraceful. You want to show white men up? Be a success!!!! Just like what Jesse Owens did was far more effective than protests and r**ts. He made the N**is eat their words by succeeding and winning more medals than any up till that time than any in their precious master race.

There is an American Indian saying. Roughly t***slated. "You can't soar like an eagle while holding someone down."
So in other words you do not care about e******y o... (show quote)


Just what are you trying to defend here?
As for the Indian issue.
That was the white man at his worse.

No I have not received any mistreatment personally.
I am white & I personally have seen mistreatment of minorities.
We are at a time when the white race is becoming under attack for many of the wrongs they have done to others.
There is a fear of the furture being less protective of w****s in the changes taking place.
It is how we as w****s fight the changes or adapt to them that is in question.
I am for adaption.

For those of us here to day it was not of our personal wrong doing.
I am interested in what we do as we move forward.
In my own small way I am trying to lobby for the better treatment for the down trodden.

Have a nice day.
But do rethink you views as they apply to me & the current political issues.

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Oct 21, 2018 22:49:06   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
JoyV wrote:
So in other words you do not care about e******y or a good life for minorities, but about revenge for what t***spired in the past. And if that hammer of revenge harms the innocent--too bad. Have you yourself experienced minority discrimination? Are you yourself on a minority race? If not, as someone from a minority race who lived through the changes in race relations from not only being discriminated but not even being eligible for citizenship though I and my ancestors were all born here--to the civil rights movement--to the law mandating American Indians have full citizenship in 1978. Going from being the bad guys in films and books to being so romanticized that non Indians lie to claim they are one of us.

So what do I think about the progressive (NOT liberal) view that white men need to be brought low? I think gaining e******y took a lot of effort and sacrifice and should be cherished, utilized, and enjoyed. To waste the gift we who fought for it in trying to harm others is disappointing and even disgraceful. You want to show white men up? Be a success!!!! Just like what Jesse Owens did was far more effective than protests and r**ts. He made the N**is eat their words by succeeding and winning more medals than any up till that time than any in their precious master race.

There is an American Indian saying. Roughly t***slated. "You can't soar like an eagle while holding someone down."
So in other words you do not care about e******y o... (show quote)


Why do you persist in casting this as some sort of racial issue? The topic on the table is what is good for the nation and the nation is constituted by all of us. It is not good that our manufacturing is moved out of the country to other nations. It is not good that invaders who sponge off our sick economy overrun us. It is not good that our sons and daughters are sent to places we never knew existed to fight and die for what cause? It is not good that over fifty percent of our taxes go to support a military k*****g machine, which our politicians have used to destroy nation after nation. It is not good that we keep looking for ways to c***t our elderly out of their medical insurance and pensions. It is not good that our money is constantly devalued by the machinations of the Federal Reserve so that the miserable pittance we earn progressively buys less and less. It is not good that no one can speak his mind without the gnomes of hatred threatening his or her life

Show me which segment of our population other than the elite ½ % benefits from all of this. You need to stop complaining about what segment is doing better than another and grab a bucket to start bailing. We are all in this ship and it is sinking

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Oct 22, 2018 00:38:56   #
JoyV
 
pafret wrote:
Why do you persist in casting this as some sort of racial issue? The topic on the table is what is good for the nation and the nation is constituted by all of us. It is not good that our manufacturing is moved out of the country to other nations. It is not good that invaders who sponge off our sick economy overrun us. It is not good that our sons and daughters are sent to places we never knew existed to fight and die for what cause? It is not good that over fifty percent of our taxes go to support a military k*****g machine, which our politicians have used to destroy nation after nation. It is not good that we keep looking for ways to c***t our elderly out of their medical insurance and pensions. It is not good that our money is constantly devalued by the machinations of the Federal Reserve so that the miserable pittance we earn progressively buys less and less. It is not good that no one can speak his mind without the gnomes of hatred threatening his or her life

Show me which segment of our population other than the elite ½ % benefits from all of this. You need to stop complaining about what segment is doing better than another and grab a bucket to start bailing. We are all in this ship and it is sinking
Why do you persist in casting this as some sort of... (show quote)


Look back at the post I was responding to. It is not I who brought up race.

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Oct 22, 2018 06:54:23   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
pafret wrote:
Why do you persist in casting this as some sort of racial issue? The topic on the table is what is good for the nation and the nation is constituted by all of us. It is not good that our manufacturing is moved out of the country to other nations. It is not good that invaders who sponge off our sick economy overrun us. It is not good that our sons and daughters are sent to places we never knew existed to fight and die for what cause? It is not good that over fifty percent of our taxes go to support a military k*****g machine, which our politicians have used to destroy nation after nation. It is not good that we keep looking for ways to c***t our elderly out of their medical insurance and pensions. It is not good that our money is constantly devalued by the machinations of the Federal Reserve so that the miserable pittance we earn progressively buys less and less. It is not good that no one can speak his mind without the gnomes of hatred threatening his or her life

Show me which segment of our population other than the elite ½ % benefits from all of this. You need to stop complaining about what segment is doing better than another and grab a bucket to start bailing. We are all in this ship and it is sinking
Why do you persist in casting this as some sort of... (show quote)


I am in agreement with what you are saying.

Little by little the picture of what has & is happing is becoming clearer.
We all need to hear what others have to say.
More are saying we are in this together.
That is good.
The is hope for us all.

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