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Oct 9, 2018 17:56:43   #
JediKnight
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Good crumbs, like 500 thousand of them in my portfolio since he's been President of the United States.
I'm supposed to h**e that?


No one is asking you to 'h**e' anything. The point that you and many others seem to so casually overlook is "the majority of the country doesn't have portfolios, and millions don't have a 401k.....so then, yes, Trump is dishing out crumbs. We learned from Reagan and Bush that "trickle down economics" is a farce that simply doesn't work.....unless of course you're in the 1% elite class.

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Oct 9, 2018 18:10:55   #
Mikeyavelli
 
JediKnight wrote:
No one is asking you to 'h**e' anything. The point that you and many others seem to so casually overlook is "the majority of the country doesn't have portfolios, and millions don't have a 401k.....so then, yes, Trump is dishing out crumbs. We learned from Reagan and Bush that "trickle down economics" is a farce that simply doesn't work.....unless of course you're in the 1% elite class.


I'm not elite, but I am scorned by the envious lefties because I was prudent in my youth and realized that saving and investing money was a good idea.
You h**e the Trump tax cuts? No law prevents you and your lefties from paying higher taxes. Pay all the taxes you want to feel good. Just don't count on me for your living just because I was prudent.
You'll wait a long time with your mouth open before a roast chicken flies into it.
Or, a lefty government throws one in it.
You have at least until 2025 to feed yourself.

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Oct 9, 2018 18:30:49   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Good crumbs, like 500 thousand of them in my portfolio since he's been President of the United States.
I'm supposed to h**e that?




i have no idea what is in your portfolio.. lots of f****l f**ls, wall street banks, war industries, these should all be showing a good return, I have only "no risk" stocks left in my portfolio and do not bother to follow the market.

But all those corps who used the huge pile of money to buy back their own stock, sure as hell better be showing huge rise in value, otherwise why bother with the buy back?

That would be good reason for the removal of top management.. Minus the gold parachute if possible..

But the orange s*** for brains insisted his tax cut was not for guys like you to make a ton of money or his business and family to pile on the fortune.

he claimed it was a middle class tax cut... Do you , at this late date think that is true??

the middle class had write offs removed that had been the best deductions for decades.. In exchange they get deductions which will be gone in 8 to 10 years. that is called temporary..

No reason exists that some of the change given to the rich could not have been temporary... Why do you suppose that is??

What will the middle class/working class be using to compute taxes after that time??

write off for home mortgage interest gone, state local tax adjustment gone,

now, in the secret meeting of the McConnell led GOP, a new set of tax gifts for the rich are being hatched..

again, tiny tid bits for the middle/working class. huge windfall for the rich.. Are they truly so dumb that a dime for them, and 10 dollars for others will be OK??

In the same time, that national debt that was such a horrible issue with Obama has been boosted by trillions of dollars..



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Oct 9, 2018 18:35:06   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
permafrost wrote:
Nuclear,

Do not let yourself be roped in by these s**ms.. they come with an orange tinge... That should be a clue..

Lots of other reports if you do not like this one..

https://reason.com/volokh/2018/08/27/no-black-business-ownership-didnt-increa

No, Black Business Ownership Didn't Increase 400% in One Year
PolitiFact has the details -- but in any event, the purported statistic was suspect on its face.
Eugene Volokh|Aug. 27, 2018 11:11 am

Last week, I saw a report that seemed enheartening but left me suspicious -- to quote one account, "According to the Minority 2018 Small Business Trends survey, the number of black-owned small businesses in the U.S. increased by a staggering 400% in a year-over-year time period from 2017 to 2018." This statistic was picked up by a variety of sites, including conservative/libertarian sites, publications aimed at black readers, and general business sites. Last Monday, I e-mailed the publisher (Guidant Financial) to ask for details, but didn't hear back, and I was traveling with family so I put off further inquiries until today.

But PolitiFact (Kyra Haas) beat me to it; here's a quick excerpt:

In November 2017, small business financing company Guidant Financial and online credit marketplace LendingClub Corporation sent out an email survey to their clientele nationwide; they received responses from about 2,600 "current and aspiring entrepreneurs." The companies both posted general articles about the results of that survey on their websites in January without making any distinctions about race or ethnicity except that 47 percent of "aspiring entrepreneurs" surveyed were minorities.

The 400 percent increase in black-owned businesses claim, however, was not made until a subsequent graphic was published on Guidant's website on Aug. 8.

It was not clear from the released results how the companies came up with the 400 percent jump. The percentage of African-American respondents who owned businesses was not published, nor was that figure from last year.

The survey sample was not random, the response was voluntary, and the margin of error was not made public....

PolitiFact contacted Guidant about the claim in the graphic on Aug. 21. Two days later, a new version of the graphic was posted, this time without any mention of a 400 percent increase.

"We have found that the 400% statistic is being misrepresented in its context and therefore we have decided to pull that statistic from our info graph," public relations consultant for Guidant Stacia Kirby said in an email....

There's thus no real reason to think that the 400% increase claim is correct -- and ample reason, regardless of your politics, to doubt it, simply because 5-fold increases in this kind of number in one year are just so wildly improbable. Even if you think President Trump's economic plan is stupendous, or, if you prefer, President Obama's economic plan is stupendous and is just bearing fruit, a change like this doesn't happen in one year.

Recall that the claim wasn't even about a 5-fold increase in new business formation, or, if you prefer, a 4-fold increase in new business formation misleadingly reported as a 400% increase -- the claim was about such an increase in the total number of black-owned businesses. Even rates of change don't generally increase so sharply; but the total amount of pretty much anything almost never increases that way in a large economy (setting obvious exceptions such as the amount of newly developed technological goods, or the number of people in some subcategory of a group that itself sharply increased as a result of a sudden burst of immigration).

More specifically, the Census Bureau reported that "The number of black or African American-owned firms grew 34.5 percent between 2007 and 2012 — from 1.9 million to 2.6 million in 2012." That's a healthy growth, a 6% yearly increase. Is it really likely that the number grew 400% instead in one year? Or assuming that the number held more or less constant from 2012 to 2016, that it grew by 10 million in one year after that? (The total black population in the U.S. is about 43 million, and only a small percentage of any ethnic group owns businesses.)

So whenever you hear a claim such as that one, your Spidey sense should start tingling. It's not just that it's good to be true, it's too big to be true.

Eugene Volokh is the Gary T. Schwartz Professor of Law at the UCLA School of Law and co-founder of the Volokh Conspiracy blog, now hosted at Reason.
Nuclear, br br Do not let yourself be roped in b... (show quote)


PolitiFact wouldn't believe the t***h it hit them smack dab in the face. They seem to be biased in most of their facts.

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Oct 9, 2018 18:47:20   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
I'm not elite, but I am scorned by the envious lefties because I was prudent in my youth and realized that saving and investing money was a good idea.
You h**e the Trump tax cuts? No law prevents you and your lefties from paying higher taxes. Pay all the taxes you want to feel good. Just don't count on me for your living just because I was prudent.
You'll wait a long time with your mouth open before a roast chicken flies into it.
Or, a lefty government throws one in it.
You have at least until 2025 to feed yourself.
I'm not elite, but I am scorned by the envious lef... (show quote)




While you are so proud of the fact you gained more than many others from our government, it seems only rational that you would have no problem paying in line with good recieved..

You got more chicken, now pay for your chicken. Full price...

No one that I know pays taxes because they like it. we pay taxes as a patriotic duty..

The all talk, not walk right wing Republicans do not want to pay for anything. they want to change the rules so they control the game and git the most chicken..

Most predict the 9 plus years of growth will end in 2020 or so.

Leaving yet another democrat president to have to clean up the mess of economy made by the orange dummy..

while you and they ride along making good money off the efforts of the last democrat president, you simply watch as the orange fool turns trade into a my way or no way game of tariffs..

While Canada seems to have done quite well, they are far from happy with our country. think about that, our most stable Allie in history is PO at us.. thanks to the orange brain less fool..

if on the 16 year renewal a simler bid is made from any nation on any good or service, do you think Canada will remain with the trouble making US?

And in only a year and some months.. Actually weeks after the tariffs, Ford is now not only cutting production, they are laying off workers. set to be in the 10,000s of workers..

what if the trade war is not the easy Sunday stroll it was sold as.. what if it gits as bad as the 30S???

trump not only wants coal to be back, he also wants this back in our lives..
trump not only wants coal to be back, he also want...

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Oct 9, 2018 18:47:53   #
EmilyD
 
JediKnight wrote:
Please enlighten us EmilyD: how many of those corporations actually gave meaningful raises to their employees...instead of putting the cash back into their profit margins? While you're at it, please explain how helping these corporations with such a huge break helps those who don't work for large corporations? Do you realize that with all the money these corporations make (billions) the tax break Trump gave them could have funded the Wall (<totally stupid idea) and Medicare for all? Finally, if Trump is such a great genius of a businessman, why do our farmers need $12 billion in welfare to stay afloat during Trump's tariff war with the rest of the world? $12 billion could fix a whole boatload of problems we already faced BEFORE Trump came with his tariff war. IMO he's not so smart afterall.....should have called his sleazy book: "The Fart of a Deal"
Please enlighten us EmilyD: how many of those corp... (show quote)

So now you're going to tell me that it was Obama that caused the unemployment to the lowest since the 1960's now, right? Obama increased Medicaid, Welfare and food stamp programs. If anything, Trump is bringing us CLOSER to Medicare for all, not further away. And you want masses of illegal people to just flow into our country unabated...look how well that's working in Europe. Is that what you want our country to look like? Mosques all over the place (have you seen the largest mosque in Europe that was just built in Cologne???), and Sharia law taking over? Then maybe you should move to Germany or Sweden and see how you like your life there. I, for one, LIKE having a President that cares about our country, who is keeping the promises he made to the people who v**ed him in.

Most large corporations (C-Corp) are receiving the new 21% tax break. These corporations will need to have loyal, smart employees so they can maintain the new growth allowed by the tax cut. The way to keep those employees happy is with pay raises and bonuses, so yes, they are passing on the benefits of the break. Smaller businesses (S-Corp, Sole Proprietorships and LLC's) can now take a 20% business income deduction, so they are benefiting as well as the large corporations, but depending on the structure of the smaller businesses, that 20% can mean more for some structures than others depending on how well they do. The better they do, the larger the deduction.

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Oct 9, 2018 18:51:28   #
EmilyD
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Good crumbs, like 500 thousand of them in my portfolio since he's been President of the United States.
I'm supposed to h**e that?

No, you're supposed to divide it up and hand it out to all the people on welfare and food stamps. (sarc)

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Oct 9, 2018 18:51:54   #
EmilyD
 
oops double post

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Oct 9, 2018 18:52:24   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Louie27 wrote:
PolitiFact wouldn't believe the t***h it hit them smack dab in the face. They seem to be biased in most of their facts.




Get a life Louie,,, trump the skunk has ripped off our nation as never before.. nothing good to be seen in the future as far as the eye can see, or the mind project..


damn, internet is useless... darn republican owner wants even more money for the same useless service. the Ba*****, he is orange inside and out..



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Oct 9, 2018 18:58:06   #
Mikeyavelli
 
permafrost wrote:
While you are so proud of the fact you gained more than many others from our government, it seems only rational that you would have no problem paying in line with good recieved..

You got more chicken, now pay for your chicken. Full price...

No one that I know pays taxes because they like it. we pay taxes as a patriotic duty..

The all talk, not walk right wing Republicans do not want to pay for anything. they want to change the rules so they control the game and git the most chicken..

Most predict the 9 plus years of growth will end in 2020 or so.

Leaving yet another democrat president to have to clean up the mess of economy made by the orange dummy..

while you and they ride along making good money off the efforts of the last democrat president, you simply watch as the orange fool turns trade into a my way or no way game of tariffs..

While Canada seems to have done quite well, they are far from happy with our country. think about that, our most stable Allie in history is PO at us.. thanks to the orange brain less fool..

if on the 16 year renewal a simler bid is made from any nation on any good or service, do you think Canada will remain with the trouble making US?

And in only a year and some months.. Actually weeks after the tariffs, Ford is now not only cutting production, they are laying off workers. set to be in the 10,000s of workers..

what if the trade war is not the easy Sunday stroll it was sold as.. what if it gits as bad as the 30S???
While you are so proud of the fact you gained more... (show quote)


Sloth, Envy, and Greed, Creed of the left.
Nobody except a jealous lefty can say that this economy is bad.
Trade wars? Every one of the unfair to America trade deals are gone. Don't want to deal fairly with America? Fine. Canada and Mexico learned what is fair, and who gives a mueller what the lefties in Canada or Mexico think of America. And China? They trade toys for American food. See how long they stay tough.
I like America First? Don't you?

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Oct 9, 2018 18:59:04   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
EmilyD wrote:
So now you're going to tell me that it was Obama that caused the unemployment to the lowest since the 1960's now, right? Obama increased Medicaid, Welfare and food stamp programs. If anything, Trump is bringing us CLOSER to Medicare for all, not further away. And you want masses of illegal people to just flow into our country unabated...look how well that's working in Europe. Is that what you want our country to look like? Mosques all over the place (have you seen the largest mosque in Europe that was just built in Cologne???), and Sharia law taking over? Then maybe you should move to Germany or Sweden and see how you like your life there. I, for one, LIKE having a President that cares about our country, who is keeping the promises he made to the people who v**ed him in.

Most large corporations (C-Corp) are receiving the new 21% tax break. These corporations will need to have loyal, smart employees so they can maintain the new growth allowed by the tax cut. The way to keep those employees happy is with pay raises and bonuses, so yes, they are passing on the benefits of the break. Smaller businesses (S-Corp, Sole Proprietorships and LLC's) can now take a 20% business income deduction, so they are benefiting as well as the large corporations, but depending on the structure of the smaller businesses, that 20% can mean more for some structures than others depending on how well they do. The better they do, the larger the deduction.
So now you're going to tell me that it was Obama t... (show quote)




emily,

Did you ever find out why President Obama had to increase all those welfare programs??? Bet you never gave it a thought..

Sharia law is very much what the republicans are installing nation wide when they get the power..

Ford is laying off 10s of thousands now in addition to the forced cuts in production due to the tariffs..

trump the orange made millions via the tax gift pass through clause.. the new one will be even better for him..



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Oct 9, 2018 19:10:31   #
EmilyD
 
permafrost wrote:
emily,

Did you ever find out why President Obama had to increase all those welfare programs??? Bet you never gave it a thought..

Sharia law is very much what the republicans are installing nation wide when they get the power..

Ford is laying off 10s of thousands now in addition to the forced cuts in production due to the tariffs..

trump the orange made millions via the tax gift pass through clause.. the new one will be even better for him..


Does it ever occur to you why Obama forced US companies to move overseas, and more people to lose their jobs?

Sharia law is what Muslims, who are coming to the US in droves because of our non-existent border security, want-they will NOT assimilate. Muslims are not Republicans.

Ford has a long history of restructuring, which is what they're doing now with major focus on Europe and South American production - that's where most of the job cuts will take place.

Maybe some of Trump's smaller businesses made money via the pass through clause, but so did many, many other small businesses. Tough s**t if you don't like it that he benefited, too.

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Oct 9, 2018 19:12:54   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Sloth, Envy, and Greed, Creed of the left.
Nobody except a jealous lefty can say that this economy is bad.
Trade wars? Every one of the unfair to America trade deals are gone. Don't want to deal fairly with America? Fine. Canada and Mexico learned what is fair, and who gives a mueller what the lefties in Canada or Mexico think of America. And China? They trade toys for American food. See how long they stay tough.
I like America First? Don't you?




Where did i ever say the economy was bad??? Thanks to President Obama, it great... Best sense 90s at least..

Sloth, Envy and Greed.. 3 of the great sins of the idle rich.. are you saying you have gained entry into the idle rich?? do you wish you had??

Considering that American business were the primary writers of trade deals, why are you and the orange dunce so uncomfortable with them..

Keep away the Russian investigation?? what a clever thought..

Canada made some pretty good deals, several of them..

China will be a problem.. they are not a bunch of business wanting to be thinking only of the bottom line. they are all under control of the Government.. which has the prime concern of becoming the world leader.

they, china, will absorb much more then our businesses would want to do.. they will be a tough nut to crack..

have you, in your investment research, looked at how dependent American business is with products made overseas??

I think when you echo "America first" you are not talking about our nation, but about trumps wild bragging and lies..

I love this nation.. that is why I despise the orange con man that has made so many damaging acts upon it..



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Oct 9, 2018 19:25:10   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
EmilyD wrote:
Does it ever occur to you why Obama forced US companies to move overseas, and more people to lose their jobs?

Sharia law is what Muslims, who are coming to the US in droves because of our non-existent border security, want-they will NOT assimilate. Muslims are not Republicans.

Ford has a long history of restructuring, which is what they're doing now with major focus on Europe and South American production - that's where most of the job cuts will take place.

Maybe some of Trump's smaller businesses made money via the pass through clause, but so did many, many other small businesses. Tough s**t if you don't like it that he benefited, too.
Does it ever occur to you why Obama forced US comp... (show quote)




do you understand that business has been moving overseas for decades. the single biggest encouragement was congress making it attractive to do so.

How many Muslims do you think come into the country per year?? how many Muslim nations use Sharia law as the base for their law of the land??

About 3.45 million Muslims are in the United States... only 2 out of the 59 muslim nations use Sharia to base the laws of the land..

Pass-Through Deduction

The second piece of legislation that’s likely to have a significant impact on real estate investors is the new 20% deduction on pass-through income for business other than C-corporations. This includes sole proprietors, LLCs and S-corporations. With these entities, the company itself doesn’t pay taxes. Instead, it’s passed through to the owner. For landlords and property investors, who often structure their investments as LLCs, this provision could represent significant savings.


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ford-poised-for-layoffs-after-1-billion-trade-war-hit_us_5bbbce51e4b01470d05445e5
d Motor Company is reportedly preparing to initiate major layoffs after suffering a blow to profits of at least $1 billion due to tariffs enacted by President Donald Trump.

The nation’s largest automaker hasn’t yet revealed how many workers will be affected. But a report by Morgan Stanley estimated that as many as 12 percent of the company’s 202,000 workers worldwide could be cut, NBC reported.

Layoffs will center on Ford’s 70,000-strong white-collar workforce as part of what the company is calling a “redesign” of its staff in an ongoing $22.5 billion reorganization, according to NBC.

Trump’s tariffs and the retaliatory tariffs they triggered are taking a toll on the U.S. auto industry.

Ford CEO Jim Hackett told Bloomberg last month that tariffs on imported aluminum and steel alone dealt a blow to company profits.

“From Ford’s perspective the metals tariffs took about $1 billion in profit from us,” Hackett said. “The irony of which is we source most of that in the U.S. If it goes on any longer, it will do more damage.”

The ongoing trade war is expected to continue to hurt the company’s bottom line. Earlier this year, Trump said that “trade wars are good, and easy to win.”

Ford announced a shift earlier this year to produce almost exclusively SUVs and trucks. Those vehicles continue to grow in popularity and are more profitable.

Its only passenger car will remain the popular Mustang, but production of the iconic brand could also be hurt if profits continue to fall.

The automaker said last month that it was ditching plans to sell its new Focus crossover vehicle in the U.S. The Ford Focus Active is manufactured in China. Because of the U.S.’s new tariffs on imported cars, it’s no longer profitable for the company to sell it in America, officials said.

“This is the first of potentially many vehicles that will disappear from the U.S. market” due to the trade war, Kristin Dziczek of the Ann Arbor, Michigan-based Center for Automotive Research warned.

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Oct 9, 2018 22:17:51   #
Mikeyavelli
 
permafrost wrote:
Where did i ever say the economy was bad??? Thanks to President Obama, it great... Best sense 90s at least..

Sloth, Envy and Greed.. 3 of the great sins of the idle rich.. are you saying you have gained entry into the idle rich?? do you wish you had??

Considering that American business were the primary writers of trade deals, why are you and the orange dunce so uncomfortable with them..

Keep away the Russian investigation?? what a clever thought..

Canada made some pretty good deals, several of them..

China will be a problem.. they are not a bunch of business wanting to be thinking only of the bottom line. they are all under control of the Government.. which has the prime concern of becoming the world leader.

they, china, will absorb much more then our businesses would want to do.. they will be a tough nut to crack..

have you, in your investment research, looked at how dependent American business is with products made overseas??

I think when you echo "America first" you are not talking about our nation, but about trumps wild bragging and lies..

I love this nation.. that is why I despise the orange con man that has made so many damaging acts upon it..
Where did i ever say the economy was bad??? Thank... (show quote)


Thank you for your time.
You remain an obamite myrmidon.
An enemy of America.

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