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Why do Democrats and Republicans see Kavanaugh in such different ways?
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Oct 10, 2018 00:14:06   #
rumitoid
 
Idaho wrote:
Judge did not write a book about his connection with Kavanaugh. He wrote a work of fiction. Many people who write works of fiction base the characters in their books on personalities from their past. That’s why authors have professional editors and why most works of fiction carry a disclaimer that any relationship between their characters and real people is pure coincidence. A competent editor will edit out stuff that might get their client sued for libel when fictional characters are thought to be a cover for someone real and the public thinking the real person did the fictional acts.

How stupid is it, to read a work of fiction and condemn an innocent man on that basis! That’s even more perverse than what that Ford woman did.

“I GUESS IT IS JUST TO EASY TO SAY & DO WHAT YOU WANT TO GET WHAT YOU WANT.”

Your statement in quotes is what is called ‘projection’€™, when you accuse the other side of exactly what you are doing.
Judge did not write a book about his connection wi... (show quote)


Did Judge's book have such a disclaimer? Please show it. He weirdly boasted that he was knock down, black-out drinker for many years. Not remembering the scene with Kavanaugh fits his drinking pattern. Judge said his book was fact. His life.

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Oct 10, 2018 00:18:40   #
rumitoid
 
Singularity wrote:
This was not about guilt or innocence. It was about advising and confirming suitability for the President's nominee to be confirmed to a SCOTUS appointment.

One wishing him to be innocent is not proof the charges are false. And absence of of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I've been curious. Is it usual to bring ones spouse and take ones children to a confirmation hearing? I truly dont know the precedent for this.

But it seems the Justice should have had an forshadowing it would not be suitable for children in his case. Complaints about the effect of his own decision on his children are on him.

There is a credible death threat to every public school child in the USA from gun violence.

His are not more special.
This was not about guilt or innocence. It was abou... (show quote)


This is what staggers me. I am still naive in a way about politics. That his gross and unseemly testimony before the Committee should have been more than enough to find a new nominee but did not, had great shock value for my belief in the system.

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Oct 10, 2018 00:23:08   #
rumitoid
 
Pennylynn wrote:
You are preaching to the choir. I believe in children having discipline and a structured home-life. Children from loving, and part of loving is to ensure children are raised in a disciplined home, are far less likely to become dependent on drugs, commit serious crimes and are more likely to select stable mates which makes for lasting marriages.

Perhaps you intended this for Rumi or his loyal follower. But, I thank you for your comments..... they are spot on with the exception of thinking I do not approve of dicipline!
You are preaching to the choir. I believe in chil... (show quote)


The terms "discipline" and "well-structured" can have a myriad of meanings. Loving, as you stated, is central, but the way of discipline and well-structured is about love, not behavior.

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Oct 10, 2018 00:29:57   #
rumitoid
 
Idaho wrote:
Actually it is totally the convention for public appointees to have their spouse and children involved in the appointment ceremony. Why on earth you would think this appointment should be any different just because your party wishes the smear campaign against him had been successful, is outrageous.

If you want to know exactly what was going down during the two week confirmation circus, here is a video of Nancy Pelosi giving a course on how to craft a “wrap up smear”. That is what the Democrats were doing for those two weeks.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3j0MXE2DDic

I’ve also posted for you a meme of Dianne Feinstein intimidating the only Republican dissenter to the nomination. Is this really the party you want to associate with?

Or is it possible you are just another paid Soros shill?
Actually it is totally the convention for public a... (show quote)


Tell me what you would do, after complaining how devastating were the charges to your family and you subject your family to open hearings on those charges? For what purpose? To spare them more embarrassment and possible harm, in plain view of the cameras, it seems they should have stayed at home, even if they wanted to show their support for him.

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Oct 10, 2018 00:37:40   #
rumitoid
 
Idaho wrote:
Good grief - another another troll in love with victimhood?

Who are you to make assumptions about the richness or poorness of any of the other posters on these boards?

Been there, done that ‘poor’ thing, and climbed my way out of that hole.

In America, if you don’t like the lifestyle of being poor and a victim, the grand thing is you have plenty of opportunities to do something about it. Try living in a lot of other countries and you’ll soon miss what you had in the US.


The poor are often real victims in our system, dependent on over-burdened Public Defenders. They will make deals for the innocent to plead guilty because a proper defense was not possible. "Hey, instead of 20 years you do five with time off for good behavior. Just two and a half years. It's your best choice."

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Oct 10, 2018 00:39:21   #
rumitoid
 
padremike wrote:
I didn't read your post but the answer is surprisingly easy....we're better and smarter than you and do not have nose rings to be led around like swine to the slaughter.


Funny, that was my same conclusion.

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Oct 10, 2018 00:40:49   #
rumitoid
 
Pennylynn wrote:
She has over $1 million (donated) dollars to pay for security. Let her do her share in putting unemployed security guards to work..


Why does she have "$1 million (donated) dollars to pay for security"?

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Oct 10, 2018 00:50:42   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
JoyV wrote:
No people do NOT get arrested every day on someones unsubstantiated say so. And how would you go about investigating the t***h or falsehood on an accusation with no time (even the year was a guess), place (not even the neighborhood), or witnesses (all named witnesses say they do not recall any such event).
You wrote;
"From the very start the right was saying the man was innocent of any wrong doing."

I don't know what your source is, but that is NOT what most on the right, including here on OPP, have been saying. We have been saying a person is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. And a reasonable doubt is not based on how compelling their story is if not backed by any evidence. Not even circumstantial evidence.

Not to mention, it is actors and liars who are best at telling compelling stories.
No people do NOT get arrested every day on someone... (show quote)


In our judicial system the police always arrest on the perception of guilt.
It is then up to the system to see if there enough evidence to charge the person of a crime.
It is the between a prosecutor the defendant an a judge with a jury if demanded.

When it comes to appointing some one to a position of trust.
The only real difference is it is brought about on the presumption of the morals involved.

The term used most often is vetting.

I would advise you to take care in how you raise attention on this issue.
Messing with the Judical system can have undesired results long term.

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Oct 10, 2018 01:02:02   #
Idaho
 
rumitoid wrote:
Why does she have "$1 million (donated) dollars to pay for security"?


Because there is a gofundme crowdfunding was started to pay for her security and had already accumulated over $1 million by the day of her testimony.

Of course, it would be interesting to track the source of all those funds.

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Oct 10, 2018 01:06:50   #
Singularity
 
Idaho wrote:
Because there is a gofundme crowdfunding was started to pay for her security and had already accumulated over $1 million by the day of her testimony.

Of course, it would be interesting to track the source of all those funds.


Mine! Find mine! I wanna see!

But first the tax returns for Trump, Trump Family and Businesses.

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Oct 10, 2018 01:08:54   #
Idaho
 
rumitoid wrote:
Tell me what you would do, after complaining how devastating were the charges to your family and you subject your family to open hearings on those charges? For what purpose? To spare them more embarrassment and possible harm, in plain view of the cameras, it seems they should have stayed at home, even if they wanted to show their support for him.


The children were not there for the senate hearings, the wife was. If my man were essentially 'on trial' for a crime he did not commit, as part of a partisan smear campaign, wild horses would not have kept me from being anywhere but at his side.

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Oct 10, 2018 01:15:46   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Perhaps you would like to donate to her.... follow this link, it has links to her go fund me accounts. http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/stevens/ct-life-stevens-tuesday-christine-blasey-ford-gofundme-1002-story.html I suppose she thought that she would need extra security....

rumitoid wrote:
Why does she have "$1 million (donated) dollars to pay for security"?

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Oct 10, 2018 01:17:08   #
Idaho
 
rumitoid wrote:
This is what staggers me. I am still naive in a way about politics. That his gross and unseemly testimony before the Committee should have been more than enough to find a new nominee but did not, had great shock value for my belief in the system.


It would not have mattered which name from Trump's shortlist was selected. The CIA/Deep State/Dems had an operative lined up for each of them. The details might have differed but the playbook was the same.

The playbook in this case is about smearing the thing the victim holds most dear - as a means of making them give up. In K's case, he respects women and is highly respected by them - so that formed the basis of the smear. For another candidate, it might have been something different. But the fundamental for the play is to try to devastate the victim by attacking a hard held principle.

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Oct 10, 2018 07:05:16   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Idaho wrote:
Because there is a gofundme crowdfunding was started to pay for her security and had already accumulated over $1 million by the day of her testimony.

Of course, it would be interesting to track the source of all those funds.


A huge historical event just happened. America achieved the first conservative dominated Supreme Court in 50 years.

Republicans better figure out how important this was, and v**e in the November e******ns to block Democrat impeachment attempts.

This article by Pat Buchanan hits on many important points and should be shared by all conservatives.

Casualty Lists From the Kavanaugh Battle
By Patrick J. Buchanan
https://lewrockwell.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=6ad24f4cd1574f1f7b8a0a03a&id=d1a77574cc&e=ac767b1a94

After a 50-year siege, the great strategic fortress of liberalism has fallen. With the elevation of Judge Brett Kavanaugh, the Supreme Court seems secure for constitutionalism — perhaps for decades.

The shrieks from the gallery of the Senate chamber as the v**e came in on Saturday, and the sight of that bawling mob clawing at the doors of the Supreme Court as the new justice took his oath, confirm it.

The Democratic Party has sustained a historic defeat.

And the triumph is President Trump’s.

To unite the party whose nomination he had won, Donald Trump pledged to select his high court nominees from lists prepared by such judicial conservatives as the Federalist Society. He kept his word and, in the battle for Kavanaugh, he led from the front, even mocking the credibility of the primary accuser, Christine Blasey Ford.


Trump has achieved what every GOP president has hoped to do since the summer of ’68, when a small group of GOP senators, led by Bob Griffin of Michigan, frustrated and then foiled a LBJ-Earl Warren plot to elevate LBJ crony Abe Fortas to chief justice in order to keep a future President Nixon from naming Warren’s successor.

Sharing the honors with Trump is Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.

Throughout 2016, McConnell took heat for refusing to hold a hearing on Barack Obama’s nominee, Judge Merrick Garland, to fill the chair of Justice Antonin Scalia, who had died earlier that year.

In 2017, McConnell used Harry Reid’s “nuclear option” to end filibusters for Supreme Court nominations, and then got Judge Neil Gorsuch confirmed 54-45.

Last week, in one of the closest and most brutal court battles in Senate history, McConnell kept his troops united, losing only Sen. Lisa Murkowski, to put Kavanaugh on the court by 50-48. McConnell will enter the history books as the Senate architect of the recapture of the Supreme Court for constitutionalism.

This was a huge victory for conservatism and for the Republican Party. And the presence on the court of octogenarian liberals Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer, both appointed by Bill Clinton, suggests that McConnell may have an opportunity to ensure the endurance of his great achievement.


The ferocity and ugliness of the attacks on Kavanaugh united Republicans to stand as one against what a savage Senate minority was trying to do to k**l the nomination. And at battle’s end, the GOP is more energized than it has been all year for this fall’s e******n.

How united is the GOP? Conservatives are hailing the contributions of Sens. Jeff Flake, Lindsey Graham and Susan Collins, who delivered a masterful summation of the Kavanaugh case Saturday afternoon.

For the Democratic Party, the Kavanaugh battle was the Little Bighorn, as seen from General Custer’s point of view.

Unable to derail the judge during the regular confirmation process, they lay in the weeds until it was over, and then sandbagged the judge by leaking to The Washington Post a confidential letter Dr. Ford did not want released.

They thus forced a public hearing of charges of attempted rape against a nominee, demanded the FBI investigate all charges of sexual misconduct when Kavanaugh was a teenager, and ended up losing anyway.

Then the Dems watched protesters dishonor the Senate in which they serve by screaming from the gallery. It was among the lowest moments in the modern history of the Senate, and it was the Democratic minority that took it down to that depth.

Understandably, they are a bitter lot today.


And the #MeToo movement has been set back. For many of its champions were, in Kavanaugh’s case, demanding a suspension of the principle of “innocent until proven guilty,” and calling for the judge’s rejection in disgrace, based solely on their belief in a wholly uncorroborated 36-year-old story.

So where are we going now?

While Republicans are united and celebrating a great victory, the left and its media auxiliary are seething with rage and doubly determined to deliver payback in the e******ns four weeks away, where Democrats could pick up the two dozen seats needed to recapture the House.

Should they do so, however, they will face two years of frustration and failure. For the enactment of any major element of their liberal agenda — a $15 minimum wage, “Medicare-for-all” — would die in a Republican Senate, or in the Oval Office where it would face an inevitable veto by Trump.

So, what does 2019 look like, if Democrats capture the House?

Speaker Nancy Pelosi. A House Judiciary Committee headed by New York’s Jerrold Nadler who is already howling for impeachment hearings on both Kavanaugh and Trump.

And, by spring, a host of p**********l candidates, none of whom looks terribly formidable, led by Cory (“I am Spartacus”) Booker, trooping through Iowa and New Hampshire, trashing President Trump (and each other), and offering themselves as the answer to America’s problems.

Bring it on!

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Oct 10, 2018 13:16:16   #
Singularity
 
Idaho wrote:
The children were not there for the senate hearings, the wife was. If my man were essentially 'on trial' for a crime he did not commit, as part of a partisan smear campaign, wild horses would not have kept me from being anywhere but at his side.

I saw the two little daughters there, at the hearings, first day.

I understand the ceremonies at the swearing in. I am and have been asking about the HEARING meetings that went on for days.

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