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Oct 9, 2018 14:31:30   #
TrueAmerican
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Could it be that Republicans and Conservatives still believe that a person must be presumed innocent until proven guilty? And could it be that Republicans and Conservatives have seen what many of your "good people" have done once they were embraced? Could it be that the Republicans and conservatives teach children to be good listeners and respectful of adults because they are children and do not know everything? I do not know of one person who has learned anything while their mind is filling the mouth with one's own point of view.

True, most liberals prefer city dwelling. In this way they are like rats, they live by being stealthy, stealing, and by k*****g each other to survive to fight another day. When you have a mischief with their bucks, does, and kittens all grouped into their cells it is not long until they overpopulate and they begin k*****g off the weak and then when food and resources become scares they practice cannibalism. These colonies or mischiefs never stabilize, many of them simply go insane and continue in their habits even when normal resources are resumed, they continue to steal from each other and hoard it away, they continue to k**l the weak and consume them as food. Also curious in the study of rats, when you remove the rat that has gone insane into a less crowed environment, they do not adapt well, it takes two or more generations for the insanity to diminish in their blood line, although the insanity was brought on by overcrowding and not by diminished brain functions. Interesting those city dwellers, they do not recognize authority, they have no self limitations on their behavior, and many are as loony as Jaybirds.
Could it be that Republicans and Conservatives sti... (show quote)



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Oct 9, 2018 14:36:08   #
TrueAmerican
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
So the lynch mob that acted in you personal approval was fine.

It was a personal opinion on the what Ford felt about the actions of Kavanaugh.
It was not sent to convict him.
It was in her personal view based on her true feeling that the public should be aware of he not be worthily of being in such a trust worthy position.
There was more than enough to raise the question of reasonable doubt.
In criminal cases reasonable reason to arrest people takes every day.
Then it becomes the judicial system that judges on the matter.
Engaging complete investigation of all information on people involved with actions mentioned at the time.
From the very start the right was saying the man was innocent of any wrong doing.
Ms Ford only want to raise the issue because of personal knowledge of action by Kavanaugh.
That he may not have the true qualifications & integrity to be appointed to the Supreme Court.
There was very little effort put in to seeking the real t***h.
The key Mr. Judge who she pointed out early in her statement was never investigated with any real in what involvement he had with Kavanaugh at the time in question.
Judge wrote a book out lining what well have be just as collaborating information.
Information that is to the book buying public. even year book entries were ignored.

It is all public knowledge.
Our elected officials choose to ignore it all.

If there ever was a treasons act that was it.
It never was about being a criminal case.
It was about over looking the true qualification of a person to sit in judge of others.
To satisfy filling a position that may very well be used in judication of criminal crimes by select individuals involved in actions taking place now.

So you feel that any means to hide the t***h from coming out.
Is fair even when actions are taken to cover the facts & keep the t***h from others.

Well we have much that happens & much of what happen is hidden from the public.
Aiding in keeping t***h hidden from the public is behind much of the problems we all see today.
But if I hide or you hide the t***h from each other we will never be able to live side by side.

When it comes to personal actions that are or may be harm full to others.
Care must be taken for all information be shown.
If we hide information that covers a possible criminal act we are only abetting a criminal act.
When we allow public representatives entrusted to preserve & protect the lifes & well being of all.
The is no room for partisan politics.

There is to much wrong that comes with the might makes right way of doing things in the publics best interest.
.
So the lynch mob that acted in you personal approv... (show quote)


Then you need to tell your buddies in the dimm-wit party about the partisan politics, they use it more than the republicans ever thought about using it !!!!!!

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Oct 9, 2018 14:37:26   #
TrueAmerican
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
I did not say any thing about any of Fords witnesses.
If you were truly paying attention you would have see the name Mr Judge.
A person who Ms ford said was present at the same time.
Mr judge has written a book about his connection to Mr Kavanaugh.
What Mr Judge had to say was not covered or if covered was not released.

This is all really apart of common knowledge ignored by the Committee advancing the appointment.
TOO USE YOUR WORDS YOU REPUBLICAN LOONIES DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT.
I GUESS IT IS JUST TO EASY TO SAY & DO WHAT YOU WANT TO GET WHAT YOU WANT..
I did not say any thing about any of Fords witnes... (show quote)



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Oct 9, 2018 14:42:11   #
TrueAmerican
 
rumitoid wrote:
HOLY MACKEREL! Seriously? Wow! Can't reply. Nothing really to reply to. This has to be perhaps the wildest post I have seen here--and that approaches or passes the Nth Degree.


Granny always told me the t***h hurts !!!!!!

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Oct 9, 2018 18:33:49   #
JoyV
 
rumitoid wrote:
Party polarization is tearing at the fabric of American society. The partisan reaction to sexual assault allegations against Brett Kavanaugh demonstrates how far the threads have frayed. An Economist/YouGov poll shows Democrats by about an eight to one margin believe that Kavanaugh committed assault, while Republicans by a similar margin believe he didn’t.

Republicans, for example, have demonstrated an incredible capacity to see, hear, and speak no evil even when it comes to President Trump’s most questionable actions and assertions. According to a Quinnipiac poll in January 2018, about three-quarters of Republicans think he’s a good role model for their children.

Democrats, for their part, don’t seem willing to acknowledge inarguably positive developments for the country. A Gallup poll from July 2018 found that Republicans were more than twice as likely as Democrats (78 to 36%) to rate the economy as “excellent” or “good,” realizing full well that Trump and the Republicans benefit from the strong economy.

Before the 2016 e******n, a survey asked Americans which came closest to their view – “our lives are threatened by terrorists, criminals and immigrants, and our priority should be to protect ourselves” or “it’s a big, beautiful world, mostly full of good people, and we must find a way to embrace each other and not allow ourselves to become isolated”. About 80% of Trump supporters chose the first. About 80% of Clinton supporters chose the second. Talk about worlds apart.

On the Republican side of the worldview divide sit those who prefer children who respect their elders, are obedient, have good manners, and are well-behaved. They have what we call fixed worldviews. Because the world is dangerous to them, traditions and conventions should be fixed in place to maintain order. This worldview sees male authority figures such as Judge Kavanaugh sympathetically because male authority has always stood at the top of the cultural hierarchy. As such, they are concerned about new immigrants and threatened by the prospect of unconventional groups such as t*********red people sharing their bathrooms.

On the Democratic side are those who prefer independent, self-reliant, curious, and considerate children. They have what we call fluid worldviews. Because the world is, to them, safe to explore, challenging old folkways is feasible. Sometimes-discriminatory traditions and hierarchies must be swept away. This worldview sees traditional male authority as an unfair privilege that has allowed men to get away with anything and everything, including sexually assaulting women, without punishment. Fluid types celebrate new approaches and champion those who challenge old norms.

Worldviews operate at the gut level, shaping opinions before conscious thought begins. When it comes to the Kavanaugh allegations, specifically, fixed-worldview Republicans reflexively want to believe the man and will search for evidence to support that first impulse. Fluid-worldview Democrats reflexively want to believe the woman and will perform the same biased search for information to buttress their first impulse.

The fluid tend to be city dwellers, secular in their approach to religion and prefer the vanguard in both their politics and consumer choices. Biryani and a pinot gris sounds nice. Their grandparents’ coffee is boring to them and light beer is swill. And they’re predominantly Democrats.

When feelings are this deeply negative, it is little wonder that partisans seem so blind to obvious t***sgressions of their own leaders and that one side roots for the other to fail when that side is in power. The dynamics should be familiar to any reader who has ever h**ed another person. You always see yourself as virtuous and your enemy as villainous. And, if the feelings are sufficiently strong, you may even root for bad things to happen to your nemesis.

When worldviews divide partisans, it is best not to expect much to change. All the hatred has caused partisans’ political identities to become central to how they see themselves. The cognitive dissonance associated with giving an inch to their opponents overwhelms Americans’ rational selves. Partisans will perform Olympic-caliber mental gymnastics to maintain their beliefs and will seek information sources not in order to discern the t***h, but to reinforce their existing beliefs, even – perhaps especially – when a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court is on the line.

Marc Hetherington and Jonathan Weiler are the co-authors of Prius or pickup: How the answers to four simple questions explain America’s great divide (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt), which is out on October 9 2018
Party polarization is tearing at the fabric of Ame... (show quote)


When you make this about "who do you believe" you open the door to vigilantism. And begin the regression to the days of lynchings. Instead in our country we have certain guarantees in our constitution. The only one emphasized twice in two separate places is the due process clause. Who you or I believe is telling the t***h is not a basis for deciding who is guilty or innocent. EVERYONE is presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty beyond a reasonable doubt!!!!

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Oct 9, 2018 18:49:02   #
JoyV
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
So the lynch mob that acted in you personal approval was fine.

It was a personal opinion on the what Ford felt about the actions of Kavanaugh.
It was not sent to convict him.
It was in her personal view based on her true feeling that the public should be aware of he not be worthily of being in such a trust worthy position.
There was more than enough to raise the question of reasonable doubt.
In criminal cases reasonable reason to arrest people takes every day.
Then it becomes the judicial system that judges on the matter.
Engaging complete investigation of all information on people involved with actions mentioned at the time.
From the very start the right was saying the man was innocent of any wrong doing.
Ms Ford only want to raise the issue because of personal knowledge of action by Kavanaugh.
That he may not have the true qualifications & integrity to be appointed to the Supreme Court.
There was very little effort put in to seeking the real t***h.
The key Mr. Judge who she pointed out early in her statement was never investigated with any real in what involvement he had with Kavanaugh at the time in question.
Judge wrote a book out lining what well have be just as collaborating information.
Information that is to the book buying public. even year book entries were ignored.

It is all public knowledge.
Our elected officials choose to ignore it all.

If there ever was a treasons act that was it.
It never was about being a criminal case.
It was about over looking the true qualification of a person to sit in judge of others.
To satisfy filling a position that may very well be used in judication of criminal crimes by select individuals involved in actions taking place now.

So you feel that any means to hide the t***h from coming out.
Is fair even when actions are taken to cover the facts & keep the t***h from others.

Well we have much that happens & much of what happen is hidden from the public.
Aiding in keeping t***h hidden from the public is behind much of the problems we all see today.
But if I hide or you hide the t***h from each other we will never be able to live side by side.

When it comes to personal actions that are or may be harm full to others.
Care must be taken for all information be shown.
If we hide information that covers a possible criminal act we are only abetting a criminal act.
When we allow public representatives entrusted to preserve & protect the lifes & well being of all.
The is no room for partisan politics.

There is to much wrong that comes with the might makes right way of doing things in the publics best interest.
.
So the lynch mob that acted in you personal approv... (show quote)


No people do NOT get arrested every day on someones unsubstantiated say so. And how would you go about investigating the t***h or falsehood on an accusation with no time (even the year was a guess), place (not even the neighborhood), or witnesses (all named witnesses say they do not recall any such event).
You wrote;
"From the very start the right was saying the man was innocent of any wrong doing."

I don't know what your source is, but that is NOT what most on the right, including here on OPP, have been saying. We have been saying a person is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. And a reasonable doubt is not based on how compelling their story is if not backed by any evidence. Not even circumstantial evidence.

Not to mention, it is actors and liars who are best at telling compelling stories.

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Oct 9, 2018 19:03:37   #
JoyV
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Fact is, Mr. Judge's book was brought up in the cross examination of Judge K. Mr. Judge was interviewed by the FBI. In fact, several childhood friends were questioned by the FBI and NONE remembered the incident or the party that Ford described:

Who has been interviewed by the FBI?

Deborah Ramirez — The second woman to accuse Kavanaugh of misconduct, Ramirez has alleged that Kavanaugh exposed himself to her while both were in college at Yale University, which Kavanaugh denies. Ramirez was interviewed by the FBI for more than two hours on Sunday.

Mark Judge — Judge, a high school classmate of Kavanaugh, was interviewed this week. His interview was seen as crucial to the investigation because Ford says he was in the room for her alleged assault. Judge previously sent two letters to the Senate Judiciary Committee saying he did not remember the events Ford described that he “never saw Brett act in the manner Dr. Ford describes.”

Judge’s own memoir, however, seems to support one aspect of Ford’s story. She says that she saw Judge at a local Safeway shortly after the alleged incident and that he appeared very uncomfortable around her. In his memoir, Judge writes that he worked at the local grocery store during the summer before his senior year, which would have been the same year Ford is talking about.

Chris Garrett — Garrett, who was nicknamed “Squi” on Kavanaugh’s high school calendars, also participated in a FBI interview this week. He is the most frequently mentioned friend on Kavanaugh’s calendars and was listed as attending a July 1, 1982 party that includes several of the attendees Ford mentioned in her allegation.

P.J. Smyth — The FBI interviewed Smyth this week. He is another person that Ford alleges was at the party, and is mentioned as being at the July 1 party on Kavanaugh’s calendar. Smyth previously said through his lawyer that he had no knowledge of the party or the behavior that Ford alleged.

Leland Keyser — Keyser is a high school friend of Ford’s, who Ford says was at the gathering where the alleged assault occurred. The FBI interviewed her this week, according to the New York Times, but Keyser has previously said she does not remember the incident.

Timothy Gaudette — The FBI also interviewed Gaudette, who was noted as the host of the July 1 party on Kavanaugh’s calendar.

Unknown witnesses — The FBI interviewed at least three more unknown witnesses who have not been named publicly.

These were all of the "witnesses" that Ford said could vouch for her story, yet none did. Indeed, one person says that Ford and her retired CIA friend tried to convince her to swear to something she knew nothing about.

If just two of these people had vouched for Ford, I would be on board saying that perhaps another Judge should be nominated. But, NONE of these people vouched for her..... so, was the incident another year? A different party? Or is it possible that her "recovered" memories been wrong? Here is an excellent paper on recovered memories: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11228839 and this is a page of other articles on memory and "recovered" memory: http://www.fmsfonline.org/?qmemories=LaboratoryResearch:Recovered-Memories and this site is all about false memory http://www.fmsfonline.org/index.php. I am not saying that Ford is a bad person, I believe that she throughly believe what she claims.
Fact is, Mr. Judge's book was brought up in the c... (show quote)


Thanks for the links. In one of the studies, this paragraph stands out.
"Subsequently, Geraerts et al. (2007) distinguished two groups
who report recovered memories of CSA. One group comprises
adults who report spontaneously recalling their CSA after encountering
reminders in everyday life. The other group reports gradually
recalling their memories, usually during psychotherapy featuring
hypnosis, guided imagery, and other methods designed to
help patients recover presumably repressed memories of CSA.
Geraerts et al. (2007) found that the CSA memories of the first
group were corroborated at a rate (37%) statistically indistinguishable
from that of people who report never having forgotten their
abuse (45%), whereas none of the recovered memories in the second group could be corroborated."

Ford was a proponent of using hypnosis to recall repressed memories.

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Oct 9, 2018 19:12:26   #
JoyV
 
rumitoid wrote:
I will just bring up this one point. You said, "It occurs to me that she could be telling the t***h, but with 4 witnesses that she named saying it did not happen that is enough doubt for me." That never happened. The two witnesses she used for the hearing said that they did not remember the event, which is entirely different than "saying it did not happen." Kavanaugh, either mistakenly or purposely, claimed the two said it did not happen. He was wrong or lied.

But the hearing was not about the allegations by Ford: it was a job interview. That it became almost solely about the allegation made it a circus. It should have been just a component of the hearings. The he/said she/said madness overshadowed Kavanaugh's disgraceful testimony. He chose personal prejudice and emotional angst over judicial temperament and sober deliberation: that was what should have been considered and disqualified him.
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This cop out that it was a job interview so falsely accusing someone is okay is despicable. In the first place, have you ever had to undergo a grilling by a panel out to find fault in a job interview? In the second, have you ever gone to a job interview where you hiring depended on you having to refute a malicious rumor about yourself to be hired? Third, this affects the children and spouse of the accused to the point of death threats. And finally, it sets precedent that due process can be set aside for political reasons.

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Oct 9, 2018 19:14:46   #
JoyV
 
rumitoid wrote:
This simple unt***h by you is enough to undermine your point. You said, "These were all of the "witnesses" that Ford said could vouch for her story, yet none did." Ford offered two witnesses, Keyser and Judge, to vouch for her story: that's it! Both said they did not remember (not like Kavanaugh's lie claiming they said it did not happen). Not the horde of witnesses you named in an attempt to make her statement look fatally flawed. A very cheap shot. The dastardly limit of the FBI probe by Republicans ignored numerous witnesses that would testify he was a sloppy and sometimes belligerent drunk, countering his choir boy descriptions of himself.
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She mentioned 4 when I watched her testimony.

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Oct 9, 2018 19:45:03   #
JoyV
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
I am sorry if I sounded rude. but I will stand by the words I used.

What you ask for.
May never happen while the manner of keeping privileges for the few remains a part of the conversation.
That is an issue that is at the center of most of the problems we face in America.

I do look forward to exchanging views on issues with you.
I feel very strongly that is what is need in bring understanding of what is really going on around us & how best for us to deal with it.

Have a good nights rest & wake on the sunrise with the energy & rested mind to meet the demands of the day.
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Except due process is not a privilege, let alone a privilege for the few. Due process is for the rich and poor, the majority and minority. For all races, g****rs, for the religious of any religion or none, for those of any political party, or any other group you might identify with. DUE PROCESS! It is a RIGHT! Not a privilege!

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Oct 9, 2018 20:06:38   #
maryjane
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Could it be that Republicans and Conservatives still believe that a person must be presumed innocent until proven guilty? And could it be that Republicans and Conservatives have seen what many of your "good people" have done once they were embraced? Could it be that the Republicans and conservatives teach children to be good listeners and respectful of adults because they are children and do not know everything? I do not know of one person who has learned anything while their mind is filling the mouth with one's own point of view.

True, most liberals prefer city dwelling. In this way they are like rats, they live by being stealthy, stealing, and by k*****g each other to survive to fight another day. When you have a mischief with their bucks, does, and kittens all grouped into their cells it is not long until they overpopulate and they begin k*****g off the weak and then when food and resources become scares they practice cannibalism. These colonies or mischiefs never stabilize, many of them simply go insane and continue in their habits even when normal resources are resumed, they continue to steal from each other and hoard it away, they continue to k**l the weak and consume them as food. Also curious in the study of rats, when you remove the rat that has gone insane into a less crowed environment, they do not adapt well, it takes two or more generations for the insanity to diminish in their blood line, although the insanity was brought on by overcrowding and not by diminished brain functions. Interesting those city dwellers, they do not recognize authority, they have no self limitations on their behavior, and many are as loony as Jaybirds.
Could it be that Republicans and Conservatives sti... (show quote)


Being well behaved with respect for their elders does NOT exclude children also being independent, curious, etc. Being disciplined in turn teaches self discipline. Being well behaved and having good manners in turn teaches children to treat others with respect and compassion. Such children are more likely to grow into independent and curious adults than not. Today we clearly see the adult results of no discipline, no self restraint, no manners, no compassion, no respect for others as we watch the words and actions of our radical ultra liberal citizens of all ages including many of the so-called adult professional men and women in our congress. You speak of well behaved, well mannered children as a bad thing but with such characteristics, we have chaos and bedlam.

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Oct 9, 2018 20:07:05   #
Idaho
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
I did not say any thing about any of Fords witnesses.
If you were truly paying attention you would have see the name Mr Judge.
A person who Ms ford said was present at the same time.
Mr judge has written a book about his connection to Mr Kavanaugh.
What Mr Judge had to say was not covered or if covered was not released.

This is all really apart of common knowledge ignored by the Committee advancing the appointment.
TOO USE YOUR WORDS YOU REPUBLICAN LOONIES DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT.
I GUESS IT IS JUST TO EASY TO SAY & DO WHAT YOU WANT TO GET WHAT YOU WANT..
I did not say any thing about any of Fords witnes... (show quote)


Judge did not write a book about his connection with Kavanaugh. He wrote a work of fiction. Many people who write works of fiction base the characters in their books on personalities from their past. That’s why authors have professional editors and why most works of fiction carry a disclaimer that any relationship between their characters and real people is pure coincidence. A competent editor will edit out stuff that might get their client sued for libel when fictional characters are thought to be a cover for someone real and the public thinking the real person did the fictional acts.

How stupid is it, to read a work of fiction and condemn an innocent man on that basis! That’s even more perverse than what that Ford woman did.

“I GUESS IT IS JUST TO EASY TO SAY & DO WHAT YOU WANT TO GET WHAT YOU WANT.”

Your statement in quotes is what is called ‘projection’€™, when you accuse the other side of exactly what you are doing.





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Oct 9, 2018 20:27:10   #
Singularity
 
JoyV wrote:
When you make this about "who do you believe" you open the door to vigilantism. And begin the regression to the days of lynchings. Instead in our country we have certain guarantees in our constitution. The only one emphasized twice in two separate places is the due process clause. Who you or I believe is telling the t***h is not a basis for deciding who is guilty or innocent. EVERYONE is presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty beyond a reasonable doubt!!!!

This was not about guilt or innocence. It was about advising and confirming suitability for the President's nominee to be confirmed to a SCOTUS appointment.

One wishing him to be innocent is not proof the charges are false. And absence of of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I've been curious. Is it usual to bring ones spouse and take ones children to a confirmation hearing? I truly dont know the precedent for this.

But it seems the Justice should have had an forshadowing it would not be suitable for children in his case. Complaints about the effect of his own decision on his children are on him.

There is a credible death threat to every public school child in the USA from gun violence.

His are not more special.

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Oct 9, 2018 20:49:10   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
You are preaching to the choir. I believe in children having discipline and a structured home-life. Children from loving, and part of loving is to ensure children are raised in a disciplined home, are far less likely to become dependent on drugs, commit serious crimes and are more likely to select stable mates which makes for lasting marriages.

Perhaps you intended this for Rumi or his loyal follower. But, I thank you for your comments..... they are spot on with the exception of thinking I do not approve of dicipline!

maryjane wrote:
Being well behaved with respect for their elders does NOT exclude children also being independent, curious, etc. Being disciplined in turn teaches self discipline. Being well behaved and having good manners in turn teaches children to treat others with respect and compassion. Such children are more likely to grow into independent and curious adults than not. Today we clearly see the adult results of no discipline, no self restraint, no manners, no compassion, no respect for others as we watch the words and actions of our radical ultra liberal citizens of all ages including many of the so-called adult professional men and women in our congress. You speak of well behaved, well mannered children as a bad thing but with such characteristics, we have chaos and bedlam.
Being well behaved with respect for their elders d... (show quote)

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Oct 9, 2018 20:52:12   #
Singularity
 
JoyV wrote:
Thanks for the links. In one of the studies, this paragraph stands out.
"Subsequently, Geraerts et al. (2007) distinguished two groups
who report recovered memories of CSA. One group comprises
adults who report spontaneously recalling their CSA after encountering
reminders in everyday life. The other group reports gradually
recalling their memories, usually during psychotherapy featuring
hypnosis, guided imagery, and other methods designed to
help patients recover presumably repressed memories of CSA.
Geraerts et al. (2007) found that the CSA memories of the first
group were corroborated at a rate (37%) statistically indistinguishable
from that of people who report never having forgotten their
abuse (45%), whereas none of the recovered memories in the second group could be corroborated."

Ford was a proponent of using hypnosis to recall repressed memories.
Thanks for the links. In one of the studies, this... (show quote)

JoyV? Forgive me if I've forgotten, but I don't believe I've encountered you before. Belated welcome. Please, jump right in, the water is fine!

So Pennylyn is giving away Strawmen, now? Cute.

But you deflected from the topical question, erected your Strawman and are perhaps out standing in your field, but your argument here is bogus.

Anyone with any training in Psychology and it's recent history should know that everyone was taught hypnotic techniques to recover repressed memories in the 1970's, and all had egg on our collective face when it was discovered that hypnosis is just as useful in implanting false memories in the hands of inexperienced or unethical practitioners. It has fallen out of fashion for that purpose but has many other uses. Regardless, I digress.

The actual question posed was what specific memories reported by this subject, Dr Ford, were in the "recovered by hypnosis" category.

Are your sk**ls adequate to respond to the actual question at hand or are you only interested in poppets?

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