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Oct 9, 2018 04:49:20   #
son of witless
 
rumitoid wrote:
I will just bring up this one point. You said, "It occurs to me that she could be telling the t***h, but with 4 witnesses that she named saying it did not happen that is enough doubt for me." That never happened. The two witnesses she used for the hearing said that they did not remember the event, which is entirely different than "saying it did not happen." Kavanaugh, either mistakenly or purposely, claimed the two said it did not happen. He was wrong or lied.

But the hearing was not about the allegations by Ford: it was a job interview. That it became almost solely about the allegation made it a circus. It should have been just a component of the hearings. The he/said she/said madness overshadowed Kavanaugh's disgraceful testimony. He chose personal prejudice and emotional angst over judicial temperament and sober deliberation: that was what should have been considered and disqualified him.
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What part of burden of proof is on the accuser didn't you get ? Anyone can make an allegation against anyone. If you cannot prove it, then it is only an allegation and it cannot be used to deny someone anything. This so called " disgraceful testimony " is your interpretation of Judge Kavanaugh's words. You cannot even admit your own bias. The fact that witnesses cannot remember the event is called corroborating evidence again't her testimony. Also the fact that her testimony changed over time and the fact she cannot give a time and place are all corroborating evidence against her.

I hope you never get picked for jury duty.
Again, you are totally unaware of your own bias.

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Oct 9, 2018 05:53:30   #
never out of the woods
 
rumitoid wrote:
Party polarization is tearing at the fabric of American society. The partisan reaction to sexual assault allegations against Brett Kavanaugh demonstrates how far the threads have frayed. An Economist/YouGov poll shows Democrats by about an eight to one margin believe that Kavanaugh committed assault, while Republicans by a similar margin believe he didn’t.

Republicans, for example, have demonstrated an incredible capacity to see, hear, and speak no evil even when it comes to President Trump’s most questionable actions and assertions. According to a Quinnipiac poll in January 2018, about three-quarters of Republicans think he’s a good role model for their children.

Democrats, for their part, don’t seem willing to acknowledge inarguably positive developments for the country. A Gallup poll from July 2018 found that Republicans were more than twice as likely as Democrats (78 to 36%) to rate the economy as “excellent” or “good,” realizing full well that Trump and the Republicans benefit from the strong economy.

Before the 2016 e******n, a survey asked Americans which came closest to their view – “our lives are threatened by terrorists, criminals and immigrants, and our priority should be to protect ourselves” or “it’s a big, beautiful world, mostly full of good people, and we must find a way to embrace each other and not allow ourselves to become isolated”. About 80% of Trump supporters chose the first. About 80% of Clinton supporters chose the second. Talk about worlds apart.

On the Republican side of the worldview divide sit those who prefer children who respect their elders, are obedient, have good manners, and are well-behaved. They have what we call fixed worldviews. Because the world is dangerous to them, traditions and conventions should be fixed in place to maintain order. This worldview sees male authority figures such as Judge Kavanaugh sympathetically because male authority has always stood at the top of the cultural hierarchy. As such, they are concerned about new immigrants and threatened by the prospect of unconventional groups such as t*********red people sharing their bathrooms.

On the Democratic side are those who prefer independent, self-reliant, curious, and considerate children. They have what we call fluid worldviews. Because the world is, to them, safe to explore, challenging old folkways is feasible. Sometimes-discriminatory traditions and hierarchies must be swept away. This worldview sees traditional male authority as an unfair privilege that has allowed men to get away with anything and everything, including sexually assaulting women, without punishment. Fluid types celebrate new approaches and champion those who challenge old norms.

Worldviews operate at the gut level, shaping opinions before conscious thought begins. When it comes to the Kavanaugh allegations, specifically, fixed-worldview Republicans reflexively want to believe the man and will search for evidence to support that first impulse. Fluid-worldview Democrats reflexively want to believe the woman and will perform the same biased search for information to buttress their first impulse.

The fluid tend to be city dwellers, secular in their approach to religion and prefer the vanguard in both their politics and consumer choices. Biryani and a pinot gris sounds nice. Their grandparents’ coffee is boring to them and light beer is swill. And they’re predominantly Democrats.

When feelings are this deeply negative, it is little wonder that partisans seem so blind to obvious t***sgressions of their own leaders and that one side roots for the other to fail when that side is in power. The dynamics should be familiar to any reader who has ever h**ed another person. You always see yourself as virtuous and your enemy as villainous. And, if the feelings are sufficiently strong, you may even root for bad things to happen to your nemesis.

When worldviews divide partisans, it is best not to expect much to change. All the hatred has caused partisans’ political identities to become central to how they see themselves. The cognitive dissonance associated with giving an inch to their opponents overwhelms Americans’ rational selves. Partisans will perform Olympic-caliber mental gymnastics to maintain their beliefs and will seek information sources not in order to discern the t***h, but to reinforce their existing beliefs, even – perhaps especially – when a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court is on the line.

Marc Hetherington and Jonathan Weiler are the co-authors of Prius or pickup: How the answers to four simple questions explain America’s great divide (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt), which is out on October 9 2018
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MAINSTREAM MEDIA, PERIOD!

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Oct 9, 2018 06:12:57   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Fact is, Mr. Judge's book was brought up in the cross examination of Judge K. Mr. Judge was interviewed by the FBI. In fact, several childhood friends were questioned by the FBI and NONE remembered the incident or the party that Ford described:

Who has been interviewed by the FBI?

Deborah Ramirez — The second woman to accuse Kavanaugh of misconduct, Ramirez has alleged that Kavanaugh exposed himself to her while both were in college at Yale University, which Kavanaugh denies. Ramirez was interviewed by the FBI for more than two hours on Sunday.

Mark Judge — Judge, a high school classmate of Kavanaugh, was interviewed this week. His interview was seen as crucial to the investigation because Ford says he was in the room for her alleged assault. Judge previously sent two letters to the Senate Judiciary Committee saying he did not remember the events Ford described that he “never saw Brett act in the manner Dr. Ford describes.”

Judge’s own memoir, however, seems to support one aspect of Ford’s story. She says that she saw Judge at a local Safeway shortly after the alleged incident and that he appeared very uncomfortable around her. In his memoir, Judge writes that he worked at the local grocery store during the summer before his senior year, which would have been the same year Ford is talking about.

Chris Garrett — Garrett, who was nicknamed “Squi” on Kavanaugh’s high school calendars, also participated in a FBI interview this week. He is the most frequently mentioned friend on Kavanaugh’s calendars and was listed as attending a July 1, 1982 party that includes several of the attendees Ford mentioned in her allegation.

P.J. Smyth — The FBI interviewed Smyth this week. He is another person that Ford alleges was at the party, and is mentioned as being at the July 1 party on Kavanaugh’s calendar. Smyth previously said through his lawyer that he had no knowledge of the party or the behavior that Ford alleged.

Leland Keyser — Keyser is a high school friend of Ford’s, who Ford says was at the gathering where the alleged assault occurred. The FBI interviewed her this week, according to the New York Times, but Keyser has previously said she does not remember the incident.

Timothy Gaudette — The FBI also interviewed Gaudette, who was noted as the host of the July 1 party on Kavanaugh’s calendar.

Unknown witnesses — The FBI interviewed at least three more unknown witnesses who have not been named publicly.

These were all of the "witnesses" that Ford said could vouch for her story, yet none did. Indeed, one person says that Ford and her retired CIA friend tried to convince her to swear to something she knew nothing about.

If just two of these people had vouched for Ford, I would be on board saying that perhaps another Judge should be nominated. But, NONE of these people vouched for her..... so, was the incident another year? A different party? Or is it possible that her "recovered" memories been wrong? Here is an excellent paper on recovered memories: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11228839 and this is a page of other articles on memory and "recovered" memory: http://www.fmsfonline.org/?qmemories=LaboratoryResearch:Recovered-Memories and this site is all about false memory http://www.fmsfonline.org/index.php. I am not saying that Ford is a bad person, I believe that she throughly believe what she claims.
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Oct 9, 2018 07:07:53   #
Idaho
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
So the lynch mob that acted in you personal approval was fine.

It was a personal opinion on the what Ford felt about the actions of Kavanaugh.
It was not sent to convict him.
It was in her personal view based on her true feeling that the public should be aware of he not be worthily of being in such a trust worthy position.
There was more than enough to raise the question of reasonable doubt.
In criminal cases reasonable reason to arrest people takes every day.
Then it becomes the judicial system that judges on the matter.
Engaging complete investigation of all information on people involved with actions mentioned at the time.
From the very start the right was saying the man was innocent of any wrong doing.
Ms Ford only want to raise the issue because of personal knowledge of action by Kavanaugh.
That he may not have the true qualifications & integrity to be appointed to the Supreme Court.
There was very little effort put in to seeking the real t***h.
The key Mr. Judge who she pointed out early in her statement was never investigated with any real in what involvement he had with Kavanaugh at the time in question.
Judge wrote a book out lining what well have be just as collaborating information.
Information that is to the book buying public. even year book entries were ignored.

It is all public knowledge.
Our elected officials choose to ignore it all.

If there ever was a treasons act that was it.
It never was about being a criminal case.
It was about over looking the true qualification of a person to sit in judge of others.
To satisfy filling a position that may very well be used in judication of criminal crimes by select individuals involved in actions taking place now.

So you feel that any means to hide the t***h from coming out.
Is fair even when actions are taken to cover the facts & keep the t***h from others.

Well we have much that happens & much of what happen is hidden from the public.
Aiding in keeping t***h hidden from the public is behind much of the problems we all see today.
But if I hide or you hide the t***h from each other we will never be able to live side by side.

When it comes to personal actions that are or may be harm full to others.
Care must be taken for all information be shown.
If we hide information that covers a possible criminal act we are only abetting a criminal act.
When we allow public representatives entrusted to preserve & protect the lifes & well being of all.
The is no room for partisan politics.

There is to much wrong that comes with the might makes right way of doing things in the publics best interest.
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So the lynch mob that acted in you personal approv... (show quote)


“Ms Ford only want to raise the issue because of personal knowledge of action by Kavanaugh.”

Now that is a shameful attempt at misdirection straight from the L*****t playbook. Go shill somewhere else - eyes are wide open here and the American people are waking up.











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Oct 9, 2018 07:39:11   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
rumitoid wrote:
Party polarization is tearing at the fabric of American society. The partisan reaction to sexual assault allegations against Brett Kavanaugh demonstrates how far the threads have frayed. An Economist/YouGov poll shows Democrats by about an eight to one margin believe that Kavanaugh committed assault, while Republicans by a similar margin believe he didn’t.

Republicans, for example, have demonstrated an incredible capacity to see, hear, and speak no evil even when it comes to President Trump’s most questionable actions and assertions. According to a Quinnipiac poll in January 2018, about three-quarters of Republicans think he’s a good role model for their children.

Democrats, for their part, don’t seem willing to acknowledge inarguably positive developments for the country. A Gallup poll from July 2018 found that Republicans were more than twice as likely as Democrats (78 to 36%) to rate the economy as “excellent” or “good,” realizing full well that Trump and the Republicans benefit from the strong economy.

Before the 2016 e******n, a survey asked Americans which came closest to their view – “our lives are threatened by terrorists, criminals and immigrants, and our priority should be to protect ourselves” or “it’s a big, beautiful world, mostly full of good people, and we must find a way to embrace each other and not allow ourselves to become isolated”. About 80% of Trump supporters chose the first. About 80% of Clinton supporters chose the second. Talk about worlds apart.

On the Republican side of the worldview divide sit those who prefer children who respect their elders, are obedient, have good manners, and are well-behaved. They have what we call fixed worldviews. Because the world is dangerous to them, traditions and conventions should be fixed in place to maintain order. This worldview sees male authority figures such as Judge Kavanaugh sympathetically because male authority has always stood at the top of the cultural hierarchy. As such, they are concerned about new immigrants and threatened by the prospect of unconventional groups such as t*********red people sharing their bathrooms.

On the Democratic side are those who prefer independent, self-reliant, curious, and considerate children. They have what we call fluid worldviews. Because the world is, to them, safe to explore, challenging old folkways is feasible. Sometimes-discriminatory traditions and hierarchies must be swept away. This worldview sees traditional male authority as an unfair privilege that has allowed men to get away with anything and everything, including sexually assaulting women, without punishment. Fluid types celebrate new approaches and champion those who challenge old norms.

Worldviews operate at the gut level, shaping opinions before conscious thought begins. When it comes to the Kavanaugh allegations, specifically, fixed-worldview Republicans reflexively want to believe the man and will search for evidence to support that first impulse. Fluid-worldview Democrats reflexively want to believe the woman and will perform the same biased search for information to buttress their first impulse.

The fluid tend to be city dwellers, secular in their approach to religion and prefer the vanguard in both their politics and consumer choices. Biryani and a pinot gris sounds nice. Their grandparents’ coffee is boring to them and light beer is swill. And they’re predominantly Democrats.

When feelings are this deeply negative, it is little wonder that partisans seem so blind to obvious t***sgressions of their own leaders and that one side roots for the other to fail when that side is in power. The dynamics should be familiar to any reader who has ever h**ed another person. You always see yourself as virtuous and your enemy as villainous. And, if the feelings are sufficiently strong, you may even root for bad things to happen to your nemesis.

When worldviews divide partisans, it is best not to expect much to change. All the hatred has caused partisans’ political identities to become central to how they see themselves. The cognitive dissonance associated with giving an inch to their opponents overwhelms Americans’ rational selves. Partisans will perform Olympic-caliber mental gymnastics to maintain their beliefs and will seek information sources not in order to discern the t***h, but to reinforce their existing beliefs, even – perhaps especially – when a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court is on the line.

Marc Hetherington and Jonathan Weiler are the co-authors of Prius or pickup: How the answers to four simple questions explain America’s great divide (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt), which is out on October 9 2018
Party polarization is tearing at the fabric of Ame... (show quote)


You can set aside how the two parties reacted to the sexual assault charges. Outrage on the part of the dems is f**e, f**e, f**e. Ambivalence on the part of the repugs is because they knew it was political and nothing more based upon the timing and the simple lack of anything corroborating.

As for Kavanaugh, the dems were against him simply because Trump picked him, period. That he might over turn Roe vs Wade was just a story to fire up their base agaisnt Kavanaugh. It was "Never Trump" in action, nothing more!

As for party polarization, it began with Obama. Obama was the great divider and race had a lot to do with it. Race still lies at the center of party polarization, even now. Obama brought that to heights not seen since the early 20th century.

And, I doubt it's fixable. The left wants to over turn the white man and promotes all sorts of immoral behaviors. The white man will fight that and instinctively, fight the browning of America. And the white man is still the stronger.

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Oct 9, 2018 09:34:21   #
Singularity
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Could it be that Republicans and Conservatives still believe that a person must be presumed innocent until proven guilty? And could it be that Republicans and Conservatives have seen what many of your "good people" have done once they were embraced? Could it be that the Republicans and conservatives teach children to be good listeners and respectful of adults because they are children and do not know everything? I do not know of one person who has learned anything while their mind is filling the mouth with one's own point of view.

True, most liberals prefer city dwelling. In this way they are like rats, they live by being stealthy, stealing, and by k*****g each other to survive to fight another day. When you have a mischief with their bucks, does, and kittens all grouped into their cells it is not long until they overpopulate and they begin k*****g off the weak and then when food and resources become scares they practice cannibalism. These colonies or mischiefs never stabilize, many of them simply go insane and continue in their habits even when normal resources are resumed, they continue to steal from each other and hoard it away, they continue to k**l the weak and consume them as food. Also curious in the study of rats, when you remove the rat that has gone insane into a less crowed environment, they do not adapt well, it takes two or more generations for the insanity to diminish in their blood line, although the insanity was brought on by overcrowding and not by diminished brain functions. Interesting those city dwellers, they do not recognize authority, they have no self limitations on their behavior, and many are as loony as Jaybirds.
Could it be that Republicans and Conservatives sti... (show quote)


Pennylyn, this is how you view HUMAN BEINGS? As unworthy as cruelly and abominably treated deranged rats.

Deplorably obscene ideas and opinions like these which I perceive you to express here do often lead others to react by increasingly obscene and polarized rhetoric.

CRUCIAL in this polarizing environment, those who wish to stabilize and progress as the family of mankind must realize that the center will not hold without some desire for rapprochement. Have you any?

Perhaps I have totally misread your intent and the message intended was not consistent with my drawn inference, but my initial reaction to your post actually makes ME wish for a real deity to whom one could successfully pray for your deliverance from such miserable notions and to secure the past due insertion of an obviously missing in action human heart.

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Oct 9, 2018 09:48:48   #
Singularity
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Sorry if my comment was over your head.


Actually,.. Beneath contempt.

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Oct 9, 2018 09:58:19   #
Singularity
 
Pennylynn wrote:
I do not know which hearing you watched but Ms. Ford named (1) Mrs. Leland Ingham Keyser, (2) Mr. Mark Judge, and (3) Mr. Patrick “PJ” Smyth as collaborating witnesses. None said they recalled the party and not the event she describes. Also, Ms.. Keyser has come out to say she was contacted by Ms Fords friend (the one who was instructed by Ford to fool a polygraph test) and told to provide a supporting statement. The other people were taken from Judge Kavanaugh's calendar or from expansion of the investigation. Now then, it was the Democrats that pushed for a "limited" FBI reinvestigation. It was the Democrats that said it could and should be completed in less than a week. It was the Democrats that insisted on questioning Keyser, Judge, and PJ Smyth. Ford and Judge Kavanaugh had already been questioned, under oath, by the committee.

Four of the people Ms. Ford claimed were present, including the accused Judge Brett Kavanaugh, publicly state they have no knowledge of anything related to the accusation; including no recollection of any attendance at any gathering at a high school party claimed by Ms. Ford. Indeed, it seems that this is also true for all the people questioned by the FBI.

As I said, I am not saying she is a bad person..... I am saying that her "recovered" memories are faulty.
I do not know which hearing you watched but Ms. Fo... (show quote)


Which memories testified to by Dr. Ford were described or suspected (by you!?!) of being psychologically "recovered" in the medical/technical sense of that term?

Or are are you just once again trying to blow smoke up our skirts with your (per)version of psychological principles?

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Oct 9, 2018 10:02:42   #
Singularity
 
Pennylynn wrote:
You have been taking lessons from Rumi on how to avoid conversations and questions by being completely rude. So, thank you for the effort and I guess I may see you on another thread... hopefully one that you and I can remain polite and find middle ground.


Thanks so much for stomping the s*** out of those Strawmen, Pennylynn. Those things scare the bejesus out of us logical thinkers. Just can't figure out why you guys persistently want to keep them around as pets....

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Oct 9, 2018 10:45:07   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Singularity wrote:
Which memories testified to by Dr. Ford were described or suspected (by you!?!) of being psychologically "recovered" in the medical/technical sense of that term?

Or are are you just once again trying to blow smoke up our skirts with your (per)version of psychological principles?


Maybe the part where she refers to Kavanaugh as Brett almost every single time, rather than "he" or "his" at least some. That's just my take on her testimony. I think she'd been coached to say Brett over and over again to paint some sort of a picture of them being very familiar with each other. But again, that was just my take on it. And, also her continued lack of memory about even recent events like not remembering if she'd given CNN her shrinks notes. Of course I got that third hand from the lady prosecuter and her assessment of the questioning.

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Oct 9, 2018 10:58:49   #
Singularity
 
Idaho wrote:
“Ms Ford only want to raise the issue because of personal knowledge of action by Kavanaugh.”

Now that is a shameful attempt at misdirection straight from the L*****t playbook. Go shill somewhere else - eyes are wide open here and the American people are waking up.


The look you and your friends share when injudiciously raging and spouting Alt-right paranoid conspiracy bulls**t at a Senate Confirmation Hearing.





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Oct 9, 2018 11:32:39   #
Idaho
 
Singularity wrote:
The look you and your friends share when injudiciously raging and spouting Alt-right paranoid conspiracy bulls**t at a Senate Confirmation Hearing.


OK - here are some happy faces for you!











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Oct 9, 2018 11:34:14   #
Carol Kelly
 
rumitoid wrote:
Party polarization is tearing at the fabric of American society. The partisan reaction to sexual assault allegations against Brett Kavanaugh demonstrates how far the threads have frayed. An Economist/YouGov poll shows Democrats by about an eight to one margin believe that Kavanaugh committed assault, while Republicans by a similar margin believe he didn’t.

Republicans, for example, have demonstrated an incredible capacity to see, hear, and speak no evil even when it comes to President Trump’s most questionable actions and assertions. According to a Quinnipiac poll in January 2018, about three-quarters of Republicans think he’s a good role model for their children.

Democrats, for their part, don’t seem willing to acknowledge inarguably positive developments for the country. A Gallup poll from July 2018 found that Republicans were more than twice as likely as Democrats (78 to 36%) to rate the economy as “excellent” or “good,” realizing full well that Trump and the Republicans benefit from the strong economy.

Before the 2016 e******n, a survey asked Americans which came closest to their view – “our lives are threatened by terrorists, criminals and immigrants, and our priority should be to protect ourselves” or “it’s a big, beautiful world, mostly full of good people, and we must find a way to embrace each other and not allow ourselves to become isolated”. About 80% of Trump supporters chose the first. About 80% of Clinton supporters chose the second. Talk about worlds apart.

On the Republican side of the worldview divide sit those who prefer children who respect their elders, are obedient, have good manners, and are well-behaved. They have what we call fixed worldviews. Because the world is dangerous to them, traditions and conventions should be fixed in place to maintain order. This worldview sees male authority figures such as Judge Kavanaugh sympathetically because male authority has always stood at the top of the cultural hierarchy. As such, they are concerned about new immigrants and threatened by the prospect of unconventional groups such as t*********red people sharing their bathrooms.

On the Democratic side are those who prefer independent, self-reliant, curious, and considerate children. They have what we call fluid worldviews. Because the world is, to them, safe to explore, challenging old folkways is feasible. Sometimes-discriminatory traditions and hierarchies must be swept away. This worldview sees traditional male authority as an unfair privilege that has allowed men to get away with anything and everything, including sexually assaulting women, without punishment. Fluid types celebrate new approaches and champion those who challenge old norms.

Worldviews operate at the gut level, shaping opinions before conscious thought begins. When it comes to the Kavanaugh allegations, specifically, fixed-worldview Republicans reflexively want to believe the man and will search for evidence to support that first impulse. Fluid-worldview Democrats reflexively want to believe the woman and will perform the same biased search for information to buttress their first impulse.

The fluid tend to be city dwellers, secular in their approach to religion and prefer the vanguard in both their politics and consumer choices. Biryani and a pinot gris sounds nice. Their grandparents’ coffee is boring to them and light beer is swill. And they’re predominantly Democrats.

When feelings are this deeply negative, it is little wonder that partisans seem so blind to obvious t***sgressions of their own leaders and that one side roots for the other to fail when that side is in power. The dynamics should be familiar to any reader who has ever h**ed another person. You always see yourself as virtuous and your enemy as villainous. And, if the feelings are sufficiently strong, you may even root for bad things to happen to your nemesis.

When worldviews divide partisans, it is best not to expect much to change. All the hatred has caused partisans’ political identities to become central to how they see themselves. The cognitive dissonance associated with giving an inch to their opponents overwhelms Americans’ rational selves. Partisans will perform Olympic-caliber mental gymnastics to maintain their beliefs and will seek information sources not in order to discern the t***h, but to reinforce their existing beliefs, even – perhaps especially – when a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court is on the line.

Marc Hetherington and Jonathan Weiler are the co-authors of Prius or pickup: How the answers to four simple questions explain America’s great divide (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt), which is out on October 9 2018
Party polarization is tearing at the fabric of Ame... (show quote)


They see Kavanagh differently because they have an agenda that precludes anyone to do with the Constitution. They are out to derail the nation.

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Oct 9, 2018 11:38:38   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
They see Kavanagh differently because they have an agenda that precludes anyone to do with the Constitution. They are out to derail the nation.


Pelosi described and named what they did to Kavanaugh about a year ago. It's even got a name.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LlHU53G2Z0

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Oct 9, 2018 12:11:33   #
son of witless
 
Idaho wrote:
“Ms Ford only want to raise the issue because of personal knowledge of action by Kavanaugh.”

Now that is a shameful attempt at misdirection straight from the L*****t playbook. Go shill somewhere else - eyes are wide open here and the American people are waking up.



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