oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I wonder if Democrats really know what they are digging for these days. Somehow they don't seem to understand that Democratic Socialists just isn't the name they should be using. I think they will see the Democratic word in that title disappearing and be left just with Socialists. It will pain most of them but it has to happen. Here are some words from one of my favorite people, Newt Gingrich, about the whole thing. Please notice that much of what they say goes out through Vox. That isn't Fox news, lefties.


The Democrats Have No Idea What Demons They Are Unleashing
Originally published at Fox News
The Democrats Have No Idea What Demons They Are Unleashing
A few weeks ago, a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) wrote an article for Vox explaining the movement’s goals – to end capitalism and radically change America.
In normal times, the declarations of a fringe party and ideology in America would not merit much attention. However, these are not normal times. A new Gallup pollshows that more Democrats have a favorable view of socialism than capitalism.
This pattern has been building for a while. Senator Bernie Sanders took socialism mainstream in the party during the 2016 Democratic p**********l primary. Since then, Democratic Party candidates have been increasingly attaching themselves to the ideology. Most notably, a telegenic young member of the Democratic Socialists of America named Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defeated a senior Democrat in New York’s 14th Congressional District and has since been on a whirlwind media tour, spreading the gospel of socialism.
So, the Vox article (or manifesto) is worth taking seriously.
Reading it, I was struck by two things.
First, it was remarkably honest.
The writer, Meagan Day, a member of the East Bay Chapter of DSA, explicitly debunks the apologists in the mainstream media trying to paper over the group’s radicalism. She quotes several prominent news “analysts” who argue that Democratic Socialism is just New Deal liberalism rebranded. She then dumps a bucket of cold water on them, writing, “[i]n the long run, Democratic Socialists want to end capitalism.”
In fact, she writes that the liberal, big government reforms which the movement has chosen to rally behind in partnership with the Democratic Party are simply stepping stones to this eventual goal.
“Social democratic reforms like Medicare-for-all are, in the eyes of DSA, part of the long, uneven process of building that support, and eventually o*******wing capitalism,” she writes.
This explicit goal of ending capitalism makes clear what Ocasio-Cortez meant when she said cryptically in a recent interview, that “[c]apitalism has not always existed in the world, and it will not always exist in the world.”
This is a clear threat to the system which has made us prosperous and the envy of the world, but I appreciate the honesty. Ultimately, the United States is a democratic republic. If Day, Ocasio-Cortez, and Senator Bernie Sanders want to try and convince most Americans to end capitalism and embrace a planned, totally redistributionist economy, they are welcome to use the democratic process to do so. It is up to those of us who know better to convince Americans of socialism’s folly (more on that in a later newsletter).
However, the second notable item in Day’s article suggests that Democratic Socialists don’t value democracy all that much. Day also identified herself as a staff writer at a New York-based, socialist magazine called Jacobin. In fact, several members of the Democratic Socialists of America are writers and editors at Jacobin magazine.
A magazine that would enthusiastically embrace this title is signaling that, like socialist movements of the past, the DSA is willing to drop the “democratic” part of their moniker and instead rely on the traditional method for socialist revolution – bloodshed, violence, and tyranny.
The Jacobins were the most violent and radical political group of the French Revolution. Led by Maximilien Robespierre, the group responded to a growing backlash against the revolution by executing anyone their so-called Committee of Public Safety deemed insufficiently loyal. The Jacobin clubs located throughout the country were used as a secret police force to root out dissent among politicians and the general populace alike. Historian Timothy Tackett estimates that almost 40,000 people were k**led under the Jacobin control of the French government. Many were beheaded by guillotine in a grotesque public spectacle after a show trial, and others were brutally executed with firearms. In the case of one period in the city of Lyon, people were executed en masse by cannon fire. This period of carnage was known as the Reign of Terror.
A few years ago, Callista and I saw Dialogues of the Carmelites at the Washington National Opera. It is a moving, true story of the Carmelite Nuns who refused to denounce Christ at the peak of the Reign of Terror. (The French Revolution was virulently anti-Catholic – many churches were closed and reopened as “Temples of Reason.”) The nuns were beheaded for their unwillingness to denounce their faith. Moments before the guillotine dropped, they displayed the power of God’s love by singing hymns and renewing their vows.
A few years later we visited the Picpus Cemetery in Paris. It holds the graves of the martyred nuns and more than 1,300 victims of the Terror in a six-week period of 1794. It is a very sober reminder of what the Jacobins did during the Reign of Terror. It is not a record for which any American should advocate.
Christopher Hibbert’s The French Revolution contains more vivid details of the horrors the Jacobins inflicted upon the people of France. In one instance, he writes, “a woman was charged with the heinous crime of having wept at the execution of her husband. She was condemned to sit several hours under the suspended blade which shed upon her, drop by drop, the blood of the deceased whose corpse was above her on the scaffold before she was released by death from her agony.”
Make no mistake: This is the history of violent revolution, religious oppression, and dictatorship that Jacobin magazine, the DSA, and opportunistic Democrats are embracing – whether they know it or not. Senator Sanders, and more have recently shared articles from Jacobin magazine on their social media accounts. Representative Keith Ellison once sent a Jacobin piece to everyone in Congress.
It is hard to imagine a modern-day Reign of Terror happening in America. But consider the recent phenomenon of outrage mobs on social media demanding people be fired and ostracized for expressing un-PC points of view. Think about the left-wing activists taking over classrooms to prevent conservative voices from speaking. Think about the rash of people being attacked for wearing MAGA hats. Think about the violence of A****a.
Perhaps it is not so difficult to imagine.
While I do not know Ocasio-Cortez, I have interacted with Senator Sanders numerous times in my career. He is an earnest guy, and I seriously doubt he would countenance violence in pursuit of his socialist goals.
He should keep in mind, however, that the Jacobins eventually turned on Robespierre (in fact they executed him). So perhaps Senator Sanders and the other Democrats rushing to embrace Democratic Socialism should be a little more careful about the demons they are unleashing to win e******ns.
Your Friend,
Newt

PeterS

What about Social Democrats? That makes it sound like we are friendly.

You people really do think the entire world is just one big slippery slope don't you. We have Social Security and Medicare both of which are programs based on Democratic Socialism. Why do you think it so terrible if we add healthcare? Set up the appropriate tax and apply it like we do with Social Security only have it apply to all income irrespective of level. We are the only developed country in the world not to offer single payer health care and the world didn't collapse for the rest of the developed world so why do you think it will with us?

old marine Loc: America home of the brave

Always trying to take credit for things that work. When Social Security was set up, there were NO SOCIALIST DEMOCRATS in the Government. It was a Democrat-Republican equally sponsored act.

Hillary Clinton's medical plan failure to pass was tried and rejected by Congress.

Medicare cost the U.S. Government nothing, it is paid by deductions from retired people's check each month.

Medicaid is a welfare medical plan for those on welfare and cost the taxpayers bundles of dollars.

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

Democratic Socialists Are The CPUSA
http://www.cpusa.org/

Even Lenin Knew Socialism Needs Pure Democracy
Our 'Right' To Other People's Money, Effort And Achievement

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

And you don't call THAT a slippery slope Pete!?

Ever hear of the story of boiling frogs Pete?

The c*******ts are VERY patient. They've been implementing their agenda for over 100 years.

And you're unknowingly and foolishly playing right into their hand.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

bggamers Loc: georgia

[quote=oldroy]I wonder if Democrats really know what they are digging for these days. Somehow they don't seem to understand that Democratic Socialists just isn't the name they should be using. I think they will see the Democratic word in that title disappearing and be left just with Socialists. It will pain most of them but it has to happen. Here are some words from one of my favorite people, Newt Gingrich, about the whole thing. Please notice that much of what they say goes out through Vox. That isn't Fox news, lefties.


The Democrats Have No Idea What Demons They Are Unleashing
Originally published at Fox News
The Democrats Have No Idea What Demons They Are Unleashing
A few weeks ago, a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) wrote an article for Vox explaining the movement’s goals – to end capitalism and radically change America.
In normal times, the declarations of a fringe party and ideology in America would not merit much attention. However, these are not normal times. A new Gallup pollshows that more Democrats have a favorable view of socialism than capitalism.
This pattern has been building for a while. Senator Bernie Sanders took socialism mainstream in the party during the 2016 Democratic p**********l primary. Since then, Democratic Party candidates have been increasingly attaching themselves to the ideology. Most notably, a telegenic young member of the Democratic Socialists of America named Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defeated a senior Democrat in New York’s 14th Congressional District and has since been on a whirlwind media tour, spreading the gospel of socialism.
So, the Vox article (or manifesto) is worth taking seriously.
Reading it, I was struck by two things.
First, it was remarkably honest.
The writer, Meagan Day, a member of the East Bay Chapter of DSA, explicitly debunks the apologists in the mainstream media trying to paper over the group’s radicalism. She quotes several prominent news “analysts” who argue that Democratic Socialism is just New Deal liberalism rebranded. She then dumps a bucket of cold water on them, writing, “[i]n the long run, Democratic Socialists want to end capitalism.”
In fact, she writes that the liberal, big government reforms which the movement has chosen to rally behind in partnership with the Democratic Party are simply stepping stones to this eventual goal.
“Social democratic reforms like Medicare-for-all are, in the eyes of DSA, part of the long, uneven process of building that support, and eventually o*******wing capitalism,” she writes.
This explicit goal of ending capitalism makes clear what Ocasio-Cortez meant when she said cryptically in a recent interview, that “[c]apitalism has not always existed in the world, and it will not always exist in the world.”
This is a clear threat to the system which has made us prosperous and the envy of the world, but I appreciate the honesty. Ultimately, the United States is a democratic republic. If Day, Ocasio-Cortez, and Senator Bernie Sanders want to try and convince most Americans to end capitalism and embrace a planned, totally redistributionist economy, they are welcome to use the democratic process to do so. It is up to those of us who know better to convince Americans of socialism’s folly (more on that in a later newsletter).
However, the second notable item in Day’s article suggests that Democratic Socialists don’t value democracy all that much. Day also identified herself as a staff writer at a New York-based, socialist magazine called Jacobin. In fact, several members of the Democratic Socialists of America are writers and editors at Jacobin magazine.
A magazine that would enthusiastically embrace this title is signaling that, like socialist movements of the past, the DSA is willing to drop the “democratic” part of their moniker and instead rely on the traditional method for socialist revolution – bloodshed, violence, and tyranny.
The Jacobins were the most violent and radical political group of the French Revolution. Led by Maximilien Robespierre, the group responded to a growing backlash against the revolution by executing anyone their so-called Committee of Public Safety deemed insufficiently loyal. The Jacobin clubs located throughout the country were used as a secret police force to root out dissent among politicians and the general populace alike. Historian Timothy Tackett estimates that almost 40,000 people were k**led under the Jacobin control of the French government. Many were beheaded by guillotine in a grotesque public spectacle after a show trial, and others were brutally executed with firearms. In the case of one period in the city of Lyon, people were executed en masse by cannon fire. This period of carnage was known as the Reign of Terror.
A few years ago, Callista and I saw Dialogues of the Carmelites at the Washington National Opera. It is a moving, true story of the Carmelite Nuns who refused to denounce Christ at the peak of the Reign of Terror. (The French Revolution was virulently anti-Catholic – many churches were closed and reopened as “Temples of Reason.”) The nuns were beheaded for their unwillingness to denounce their faith. Moments before the guillotine dropped, they displayed the power of God’s love by singing hymns and renewing their vows.
A few years later we visited the Picpus Cemetery in Paris. It holds the graves of the martyred nuns and more than 1,300 victims of the Terror in a six-week period of 1794. It is a very sober reminder of what the Jacobins did during the Reign of Terror. It is not a record for which any American should advocate.
Christopher Hibbert’s The French Revolution contains more vivid details of the horrors the Jacobins inflicted upon the people of France. In one instance, he writes, “a woman was charged with the heinous crime of having wept at the execution of her husband. She was condemned to sit several hours under the suspended blade which shed upon her, drop by drop, the blood of the deceased whose corpse was above her on the scaffold before she was released by death from her agony.”
Make no mistake: This is the history of violent revolution, religious oppression, and dictatorship that Jacobin magazine, the DSA, and opportunistic Democrats are embracing – whether they know it or not. Senator Sanders, and more have recently shared articles from Jacobin magazine on their social media accounts. Representative Keith Ellison once sent a Jacobin piece to everyone in Congress.
It is hard to imagine a modern-day Reign of Terror happening in America. But consider the recent phenomenon of outrage mobs on social media demanding people be fired and ostracized for expressing un-PC points of view. Think about the left-wing activists taking over classrooms to prevent conservative voices from speaking. Think about the rash of people being attacked for wearing MAGA hats. Think about the violence of A****a.
Perhaps it is not so difficult to imagine.
While I do not know Ocasio-Cortez, I have interacted with Senator Sanders numerous times in my career. He is an earnest guy, and I seriously doubt he would countenance violence in pursuit of his socialist goals.
He should keep in mind, however, that the Jacobins eventually turned on Robespierre (in fact they executed him). So perhaps Senator Sanders and the other Democrats rushing to embrace Democratic Socialism should be a little more careful about the demons they are unleashing to win e******ns.
Your Friend,
Newt[/quote]

Lord lets hope it never goes that far

moldyoldy

The GOP has a lot of fringe groups, tea party, N**is, w***e s*********ts, etc.


Now is the time for us to brand the Republican Party as a d******c t*******t group. You know we need to do this, for the good of the country and for our future.
https://thegrio.com/2017/06/02/republicans-party-of-terrorists/

pafret Loc: Northeast

The rest of the world makes economic decisions as to who should get that healthcare and hence who lives or dies. Further, in the interest of efficiency, they have limited facilities for each specialty, with long queues waiting for every needed medical resource (See VA Healthcare). Some of thes veterans have no patience, they die while waiting the years needed to get treatment.

This also leads to horror cases such as the recent death of a British infant who was deemed to be not cost effective to waste resources on. Indeed the parents of that infant were threatened with jail if they accepted offers of free treatment from other nations.

Our imperfect system has insurances, welfare, charity and a host of other gimmicks for paying for healthcare and yes, people do go bankrupt trying to pay for it. What we don't have is some bureaucrat telling us that we, or our families, are worthless to "society" so we cannot avail ourselves of medical attention no matter how, or by whom, it is paid for.

Obamacare was a major start to setting up such death Squad decisions for Americans.

Lonewolf

And now they have their own president Donald trump

Lonewolf

Insurance companies play god every day when they decide what care they will pay or not pay for!

moldyoldy

Why are those countries with universal healthcare so much happier than us?

buffalo Loc: Texas

Medicare is also paid for by taxing incomes (1.45% from wages and 1.45% paid by one's employer...self employed pay the whole 2.9%). By combining the budgets of Medicare and medicaid with a small raise in Medicare taxes the US could well afford Medicare for All and free working people from the horrendously expensive premiums, ridiculously high deductibles and co-pays of private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations thereby saving 95% of taxpayers money and cover everyone (that is already covered anyway) with health CARE and being tied to their employment for fear of losing health INSURANCE coverage.

BTW, my soon to be 89 year old Dad has had Medicare since he was 65 (no supplement). He has never been contacted by a government bureaucrat about anything to do with HIS health CARE and no doctor has EVER refused his Medicare or said anything about a bureaucrat interfering with the doctor's care of my Dad. Majorly, he has had stents in 2013 and a pacemaker in 2017. The small amount Medicare did not cover he paid out of his own pocket and THAT is all that any rip-off supplement would have paid.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

buffalo Loc: Texas

Not really a contradiction. Ikeda is an i***t.

Denmark has a wide range of welfare benefits that they offer their citizens. As a result, they also have the highest taxes in the world. E******y is considered the most important value in Denmark. Small businesses thrive, with over 70 percent of companies having 50 employees or less.

Finland has one of the world’s best education systems, with no tuition fees and also giving free meals to their students. The literacy rate in Finland is 100 percent. Finland has one of the highest standards of living in the world. Like Denmark and other European countries, e******y is considered one of the most important values in society. Whereas in the Netherlands, government control over the economy remains at a minimum, but a socialist welfare system remains. The lifestyle in the Netherlands is very egalitarian and organized, where even bosses do not discipline or treat their subordinates rudely.

Sweden has a large welfare system, but due to a high national debt, required much government intervention in the economy. In Norway, the government controls certain key aspects of the national economy, and they also have one of the best welfare systems in the world, with Norway having one of the highest standards of living in all of Europe. Norway is not a member of the European Union.

Ireland has arguably one of the best welfare systems in the world, with unemployment checks higher on average than Denmark or Switzerland’s average. Around 25 percent of Ireland’s GDP goes towards paying for the welfare system, as compared to 15 percent of America’ GDP towards America’s social support programs.

There is one difference between these countries and the US, even taking into difference their size. THEY DO NOT SPEND NEAR THE PERCENTAGE OF THEIR GDP ON CONTINUAL, ILLEGAL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, IMMORAL WARMONGERING FOR THE BENEFIT OF THEIR CORPORATIONS TO EXPLOIT AND PRIVATELY PROFIT FROM THE RESOURCES OF OTHER SOVEREIGN NATIONS!