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Aug 18, 2018 15:08:48   #
danielb
 
When did the us navy get generals. When i was in the navy we had admirals.

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Aug 18, 2018 15:32:36   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
danielb wrote:
When did the us navy get generals. When i was in the navy we had admirals.

To whom or what are you specifically speaking Perhaps the U.S Navy Surgeon General

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Aug 18, 2018 17:13:43   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
danielb wrote:
When did the us navy get generals. When i was in the navy we had admirals.


Interchangeable terminology for the same ranks, i.e."F**g Officer, General Officer” with the Navy/Coast Guard Admiralty usually being referred to as F**g Officers and the Army/Marines/Air Force as General officers but not exclusively.

"A F**g officer is a commissioned officer in a nation's armed forces senior enough to be entitled ... F**g officer corresponds to the generic terms General officer (used by land and some air forces to describe all grades of ... vice-admiral, rear-admiral, or commodore, the naval equivalent of a general officer of the army or air force.

The generic title of f**g officer is used in several modern navies and coast guards to denote those who hold the rank of rear admiral (or its equivalent) and above, also called "f**g ranks"; in some navies, this also includes the rank of commodore. F**g officer corresponds to the generic terms general officer (used by land and some air forces to describe all grades of generals) and air officer (used by other air forces to describe all grades of air marshals and air commodores)."

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Aug 18, 2018 17:30:41   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
pafret wrote:
Interchangeable terminology for the same ranks, i.e."F**g Officer, General Officer” with the Navy/Coast Guard Admiralty usually being referred to as F**g Officers and the Army/Marines/Air Force as General officers but not exclusively.

"A F**g officer is a commissioned officer in a nation's armed forces senior enough to be entitled ... F**g officer corresponds to the generic terms General officer (used by land and some air forces to describe all grades of ... vice-admiral, rear-admiral, or commodore, the naval equivalent of a general officer of the army or air force.

The generic title of f**g officer is used in several modern navies and coast guards to denote those who hold the rank of rear admiral (or its equivalent) and above, also called "f**g ranks"; in some navies, this also includes the rank of commodore. F**g officer corresponds to the generic terms general officer (used by land and some air forces to describe all grades of generals) and air officer (used by other air forces to describe all grades of air marshals and air commodores)."
Interchangeable terminology for the same ranks, i.... (show quote)


LOL, pafret's response should settle the issue, f**g, general, or other!

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Aug 19, 2018 10:55:53   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
pafret wrote:
Interchangeable terminology for the same ranks, i.e."F**g Officer, General Officer” with the Navy/Coast Guard Admiralty usually being referred to as F**g Officers and the Army/Marines/Air Force as General officers but not exclusively.

"A F**g officer is a commissioned officer in a nation's armed forces senior enough to be entitled ... F**g officer corresponds to the generic terms General officer (used by land and some air forces to describe all grades of ... vice-admiral, rear-admiral, or commodore, the naval equivalent of a general officer of the army or air force.

The generic title of f**g officer is used in several modern navies and coast guards to denote those who hold the rank of rear admiral (or its equivalent) and above, also called "f**g ranks"; in some navies, this also includes the rank of commodore. F**g officer corresponds to the generic terms general officer (used by land and some air forces to describe all grades of generals) and air officer (used by other air forces to describe all grades of air marshals and air commodores)."
Interchangeable terminology for the same ranks, i.... (show quote)


That's why I like pay grade as an identifier. E-1 thru E-9, and 0-1 thru 0-10.

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Aug 19, 2018 14:30:58   #
rafterman Loc: South Florida
 
Peewee wrote:
That's why I like pay grade as an identifier. E-1 thru E-9, and 0-1 thru 0-10.


I'm a retired U.S. Navy Senior Chief Petty Officer (SCPO) and I DON'T like (bitterly) - and I presume every other active duty and retired Chief Petty Officer in the U.S. Navy and U.S. Coast Guard - DOES NOT LIKE to be identified as an E-7, E-8, or E-9 when addressing us directly or indirectly. Use the proper identifier - damn it. Chief (CPO), Senior Chief (SCPO) and Master Chief (MCPO). Additionally, I am confident that every other member of the military - officer and enlisted - would rather be identified or referred to by their EARNED RANK - not pay grade. For a complete list of Military Ranks and Insignia's - with the proper identifiers by paygrade - go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:United_States_uniformed_services_comparative_ranks. Additionally, I think I can speak for all military members: If I'm a General I wouldn't want to be referred to as an Admiral; or introduced as "O-8 John Paul Jones". I never heard a Marine Corp SGT Major referred to by anyone - officer or enlisted - as E-9. OOPs! Neither of those examples work. Civilians can be excused to a point; but even a civilian should know that - for the most part - Admirals belong at sea for the Navy and Coast Guard; Generals are ground pounders in the Marines, and Army; and Generals in the Air Forces are Air Jockey's. Yes, Admirals and Generals are also referred to as F**g Officer, however, in general when referencing or identifying them it is usually by their rank even when they command joint forces. Note: After retirement from the Navy, during my next 25 years working as a civilian I always found it amazing that civilians demanded they be called by their correct titles and became highly indignant when not addressed or referred to properly - AND others were not given the preference to use any identifier they preferred. Yet, still in this day and age, it is okay for civilians to refer to and insult military personnel in a hodgepodge manner as done by Peewee when addressing us. As I said, we can be forgiving for the most part, but I get insulted when a new article or blog refer to military people incorrectly - especially in view of the fact that you can find what is correct or incorrect with a simple google.com search.

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Aug 19, 2018 17:41:31   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
rafterman wrote:
I'm a retired U.S. Navy Senior Chief Petty Officer (SCPO) and I DON'T like (bitterly) - and I presume every other active duty and retired Chief Petty Officer in the U.S. Navy and U.S. Coast Guard - DOES NOT LIKE to be identified as an E-7, E-8, or E-9 when addressing us directly or indirectly. Use the proper identifier - damn it. Chief (CPO), Senior Chief (SCPO) and Master Chief (MCPO). Additionally, I am confident that every other member of the military - officer and enlisted - would rather be identified or referred to by their EARNED RANK - not pay grade. For a complete list of Military Ranks and Insignia's - with the proper identifiers by paygrade - go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:United_States_uniformed_services_comparative_ranks. Additionally, I think I can speak for all military members: If I'm a General I wouldn't want to be referred to as an Admiral; or introduced as "O-8 John Paul Jones". I never heard a Marine Corp SGT Major referred to by anyone - officer or enlisted - as E-9. OOPs! Neither of those examples work. Civilians can be excused to a point; but even a civilian should know that - for the most part - Admirals belong at sea for the Navy and Coast Guard; Generals are ground pounders in the Marines, and Army; and Generals in the Air Forces are Air Jockey's. Yes, Admirals and Generals are also referred to as F**g Officer, however, in general when referencing or identifying them it is usually by their rank even when they command joint forces. Note: After retirement from the Navy, during my next 25 years working as a civilian I always found it amazing that civilians demanded they be called by their correct titles and became highly indignant when not addressed or referred to properly - AND others were not given the preference to use any identifier they preferred. Yet, still in this day and age, it is okay for civilians to refer to and insult military personnel in a hodgepodge manner as done by Peewee when addressing us. As I said, we can be forgiving for the most part, but I get insulted when a new article or blog refer to military people incorrectly - especially in view of the fact that you can find what is correct or incorrect with a simple google.com search.
I'm a retired U.S. Navy Senior Chief Petty Officer... (show quote)


Only Civil servants are referred to by pay grade since the grade is synonymous with authority. I have met quite a few GS-15's in trivial positions, who thought they were Ghengis Kahn.

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Aug 19, 2018 17:42:14   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
rafterman wrote:
I'm a retired U.S. Navy Senior Chief Petty Officer (SCPO) and I DON'T like (bitterly) - and I presume every other active duty and retired Chief Petty Officer in the U.S. Navy and U.S. Coast Guard - DOES NOT LIKE to be identified as an E-7, E-8, or E-9 when addressing us directly or indirectly. Use the proper identifier - damn it. Chief (CPO), Senior Chief (SCPO) and Master Chief (MCPO). Additionally, I am confident that every other member of the military - officer and enlisted - would rather be identified or referred to by their EARNED RANK - not pay grade. For a complete list of Military Ranks and Insignia's - with the proper identifiers by paygrade - go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:United_States_uniformed_services_comparative_ranks. Additionally, I think I can speak for all military members: If I'm a General I wouldn't want to be referred to as an Admiral; or introduced as "O-8 John Paul Jones". I never heard a Marine Corp SGT Major referred to by anyone - officer or enlisted - as E-9. OOPs! Neither of those examples work. Civilians can be excused to a point; but even a civilian should know that - for the most part - Admirals belong at sea for the Navy and Coast Guard; Generals are ground pounders in the Marines, and Army; and Generals in the Air Forces are Air Jockey's. Yes, Admirals and Generals are also referred to as F**g Officer, however, in general when referencing or identifying them it is usually by their rank even when they command joint forces. Note: After retirement from the Navy, during my next 25 years working as a civilian I always found it amazing that civilians demanded they be called by their correct titles and became highly indignant when not addressed or referred to properly - AND others were not given the preference to use any identifier they preferred. Yet, still in this day and age, it is okay for civilians to refer to and insult military personnel in a hodgepodge manner as done by Peewee when addressing us. As I said, we can be forgiving for the most part, but I get insulted when a new article or blog refer to military people incorrectly - especially in view of the fact that you can find what is correct or incorrect with a simple google.com search.
I'm a retired U.S. Navy Senior Chief Petty Officer... (show quote)


Sorry if I touched a nerve there. Within a service branch, I agree with you. But a lot of us (Air Force) didn't get to work across the services very much, if at all. The only other service members I ever got to work with was going through K-9 school. That was just after basic and there was only one or two in our class. So the ranks of other services are just something we never needed to know unless we were assigned to the Pentagon or a joint mission. Which I was never fortunate enough to ever experience. I personally believe I would have made E-9 (CMSgt) if four career fields hadn't been civilianized just when I became promotion eligible. Even then I was the number one non-selectee AF wide twice for promotion. The odds of that happening twice are pretty rare. So when I did bump into a sister service member I just asked what their pay grade was and then I'd always give them their due respect. The AF is different and I only needed to give a direct order once in my entire career. We weren't big on RHIP even though we knew it was always there, we just focused on the mission. Worked pretty well for our branch, but I understand why it wouldn't work so well for the others. I didn't insult you, I just didn't explain myself to your satisfaction.

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Aug 19, 2018 22:25:10   #
EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast
 
Manning345 wrote:
LOL, pafret's response should settle the issue, f**g, general, or other!


Don't forget F**g officers rate those cute f**gs with the number of stars showing their rank on the ship they are riding and in the automobiles they are in. I'm sure some ignore it but it is there as a perk.. Also sideboys for coming and leaving ship, number also determined by rank.

I'm sure it can be Googled for anyone interested. As for me, I reached Engineman First Class qualified in submarines.(EN1(SS) and didn't rate a f**g or sideboys.

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