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Aug 17, 2018 12:39:33   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
As much as draft-dodger Trump wants to be associated with the military, recent developments show that the military isn't returning the enthusiasm. First, the Pentagon tells Trump that his extravagant military parade was too frivolous so they're going to postpone it for now. Aw, now T***p w*n't get to experience that dictator's wet-dream of having thousands of troops saluting him while on parade.

Then Ret. Admiral William McRaven sends a letter to Trump slamming him for revoking the security clearance of his opponents and requesting that Trump revoke his clearance too so he can have the honor of joining the others in their outspoken resistance to the reckless, half-wit. And now Ret. Lt. General Mark Hertling is standing by the Admiral and saying the same thing.

I know there are a number of veterans on this site that support Trump, but I bet none of them are generals or admirals. Unlike the business world that Trump comes, from where sufficient wealth from daddy can guarantee a certain level of success, the military is entirely merit-based. You can't "buy" your way up the ranks. Military personalities range from barely-literate to the highly-intelligent and in a merit-based system the barely-literate don't rise to levels of command like McRaven and Hertling did.

Of course, dissonance isn't tolerated in the rank and file either, which may explain why commanders remain muted until AFTER retiring; speaking of which... Stars and Stripes ran a story in September 2016 covering the fact that no less than 15 retired generals and admirals united to hold a press conference in which they endorsed Clinton as the smart choice for Commander-In-Chief and warned that Trump would be dangerous to military and country.
https://www.stripes.com/news/former-admirals-and-generals-warn-trump-is-dangerous-to-military-and-country-1.430242

After winning the e******n anyway, Trump issued a ban on t***s-g****red people serving in the military and he found himself confronted by no less than 56 retired generals and admirals that clearly drew a distinction between Trump's bigotry and the more objective rationale of top-brass command.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/56-generals-admirals-trump-t***s-military-ban_us_5980abb2e4b00bb8ff39fced

And there's more but you all get the point... Never before in our post-Civil War history has a U.S. President been so resoundingly opposed by top level commanders in the U.S. military. In all, it may be better for Trump if he were kicked out of the White House through politics because at least then, he can play up that victim role of the "unfairly treated president" that he likes so much. Otherwise, he is likely to push things too far and wind up getting b#tch-slapped by his own military command. That wouldn't be so good for him.

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Aug 17, 2018 12:57:35   #
woodguru
 
He is alienating the military from a few dozen little things that affect people's lack of respect. To the military they respect military service and an understanding of military culture and protocol. You don't have to be ex military to be respected by the military, but you do need to have and show a high degree of respect for their intelligence and advice, something Trump displays a constant lack of.

Trump came out the gate saying he knew more than any general, that he was smart, he could figure out any of this and didn't need their advice, and he shows that every time he makes an i***tic decision that his top military advisers know nothing about.

It used to be that patriots considered the relationship between the president and the military to be crucial

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Aug 17, 2018 13:02:13   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
As much as draft-dodger Trump wants to be associated with the military, recent developments show that the military isn't returning the enthusiasm. First, the Pentagon tells Trump that his extravagant military parade was too frivolous so they're going to postpone it for now. Aw, now T***p w*n't get to experience that dictator's wet-dream of having thousands of troops saluting him while on parade.

Then Ret. Admiral William McRaven sends a letter to Trump slamming him for revoking the security clearance of his opponents and requesting that Trump revoke his clearance too so he can join the others in their outspoken resistance to the reckless, half-wit. And now Ret. Lt. General Mark Hertling is standing by the Admiral and saying the same thing.

I know there are a number of veterans on this site that support Trump, but I bet none of them are generals or admirals. Unlike the business world that Trump comes, from where sufficient wealth from daddy can guarantee a certain level of success, the military is entirely merit-based. You can't "buy" your way up the ranks. Military personalities range from barely-literate to the highly-intelligent and in a merit-based system the barely-literate don't rise to levels of command like McRaven and Hertling did.

Of course, dissonance isn't tolerated in the rank and file either, which may explain why commanders remain muted until AFTER retiring; speaking of which... Stars and Stripes ran a story in September 2016 covering the fact that no less than 15 retired generals and admirals united to hold a press conference in which they endorsed Clinton as the smart choice for Commander-In-Chief and warned that Trump would be dangerous to military and country.

After winning the e******n anyway, Trump issued a ban on t***s-g****red people serving in the military and he found himself confronted by no less than 56 retired generals and admirals that clearly drew a distinction between Trump's bigotry and the more objective rationale of the top brass.

In all, it may be better for Trump if he were kicked out of the White House through politics because at least then, he can play up that victim role of the "unfairly treated president" that he likes so much. Otherwise, he is likely to push things too far and wind up getting b#tch-slapped by his own military command. That wouldn't be so good for him.
As much as draft-dodger Trump wants to be associat... (show quote)


There are 231 Generals in the Army.

There are 162 generals in the Navy.

There are 198 generals in the
Air Force

There are 61 generals in the
Marines.

Do you get where I'm going...........Goober ?

Two or three disgruntled officers are 'not' representative of the entire military command.

Next time you you open your mouth to speak on this subject, put your foot in it....... Goober !

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Aug 17, 2018 13:06:00   #
Richard Rowland
 
straightUp wrote:
As much as draft-dodger Trump wants to be associated with the military, recent developments show that the military isn't returning the enthusiasm. First, the Pentagon tells Trump that his extravagant military parade was too frivolous so they're going to postpone it for now. Aw, now T***p w*n't get to experience that dictator's wet-dream of having thousands of troops saluting him while on parade.

Then Ret. Admiral William McRaven sends a letter to Trump slamming him for revoking the security clearance of his opponents and requesting that Trump revoke his clearance too so he can have the honor of joining the others in their outspoken resistance to the reckless, half-wit. And now Ret. Lt. General Mark Hertling is standing by the Admiral and saying the same thing.

I know there are a number of veterans on this site that support Trump, but I bet none of them are generals or admirals. Unlike the business world that Trump comes, from where sufficient wealth from daddy can guarantee a certain level of success, the military is entirely merit-based. You can't "buy" your way up the ranks. Military personalities range from barely-literate to the highly-intelligent and in a merit-based system the barely-literate don't rise to levels of command like McRaven and Hertling did.

Of course, dissonance isn't tolerated in the rank and file either, which may explain why commanders remain muted until AFTER retiring; speaking of which... Stars and Stripes ran a story in September 2016 covering the fact that no less than 15 retired generals and admirals united to hold a press conference in which they endorsed Clinton as the smart choice for Commander-In-Chief and warned that Trump would be dangerous to military and country.
https://www.stripes.com/news/former-admirals-and-generals-warn-trump-is-dangerous-to-military-and-country-1.430242

After winning the e******n anyway, Trump issued a ban on t***s-g****red people serving in the military and he found himself confronted by no less than 56 retired generals and admirals that clearly drew a distinction between Trump's bigotry and the more objective rationale of the top brass.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/56-generals-admirals-trump-t***s-military-ban_us_5980abb2e4b00bb8ff39fced

In all, it may be better for Trump if he were kicked out of the White House through politics because at least then, he can play up that victim role of the "unfairly treated president" that he likes so much. Otherwise, he is likely to push things too far and wind up getting b#tch-slapped by his own military command. That wouldn't be so good for him.
As much as draft-dodger Trump wants to be associat... (show quote)


Not having served, I have no experience with the military, so I have to take your word, straightUp, that military promotions are based on merit. However, I suspect that that isn't always the case. Knowing someone, brown-nosing, and in John McCain's case nepotism, was definitely a plus. I expected someone of your intellect to be a bit more discerning were Brennen, Clapper, and others have been shown to be liars.

If you can give these creeps a pass, then this President deserves some consideration. I also take issue with your position that retired high ranking military personnel's comments are the gold standard. Are they immune from having politically biased thoughts?

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Aug 17, 2018 13:09:22   #
moldyoldy
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
There are 231 Generals in the Army.

There are 162 generals in the Navy.

There are 198 generals in the
Air Force

There are 61 generals in the
Marines.

Do you get where I'm going...........Goober ?

Two or three disgruntled officers are 'not' representative of the entire military command.

Next time you you open your mouth to speak on this subject, put your foot in it....... Goober !


We know that most in the military will avoid being political unless they see a national threat to the country like trump.

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Aug 17, 2018 13:15:23   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
I know there are a number of veterans on this site that support Trump, but I bet none of them are generals or admirals.
No great surprise since most of these senior officers were put in place by President Obama. It's only my opinion here, but the ability of our military to wage war has been disastrously curtailed by the previous administration.

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Aug 17, 2018 13:23:48   #
moldyoldy
 
Fit2BTied wrote:
No great surprise since most of these senior officers were put in place by President Obama. It's only my opinion here, but the ability of our military to wage war has been disastrously curtailed by the previous administration.


Each of the five services has a set number of f**g officers. Those with sufficient time in grade in a rank just below one-star (aka O-6)--colonels (Marine Corps, Army, Airforce) or captains (Navy, Coast Guard)--are ranked by an in-service promotion board.

The secretary of the service gets input as well as the Department Secretary (Department of Defense or Departmentof Homeland Security). That list is then sent to the President who nominates an O-6 to a f**g officer commission. That must then be v**ed on by the Senate under the normal confirmation process.

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Aug 17, 2018 13:24:36   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
There are 231 Generals in the Army.

There are 162 generals in the Navy.

There are 198 generals in the
Air Force

There are 61 generals in the
Marines.

Do you get where I'm going...........Goober ?

Yeah, I do, but you obviously missed my point about these commanders being retired, so you're numbers are pointless. You are counting the commanders who are still on active duty and therefore under Trump's command. They don't have the same liberty to publicize their opinions. Also, nothing you said changes my point about the historical significance as the fact remains that no other president in post-Civil War history has received (even close to) so much resistance from the military.

So... nice try wolf boy.

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Aug 17, 2018 13:30:27   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
woodguru wrote:
He is alienating the military from a few dozen little things that affect people's lack of respect. To the military they respect military service and an understanding of military culture and protocol. You don't have to be ex military to be respected by the military, but you do need to have and show a high degree of respect for their intelligence and advice, something Trump displays a constant lack of.

Trump came out the gate saying he knew more than any general, that he was smart, he could figure out any of this and didn't need their advice, and he shows that every time he makes an i***tic decision that his top military advisers know nothing about.

It used to be that patriots considered the relationship between the president and the military to be crucial
He is alienating the military from a few dozen lit... (show quote)

The REAL patriots still do.

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Aug 17, 2018 13:54:45   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
Not having served, I have no experience with the military, so I have to take your word, straightUp, that military promotions are based on merit. However, I suspect that that isn't always the case. Knowing someone, brown-nosing, and in John McCain's case nepotism, was definitely a plus. I expected someone of your intellect to be a bit more discerning were Brennen, Clapper, and others have been shown to be liars.

If you can give these creeps a pass, then this President deserves some consideration. I also take issue with your position that retired high ranking military personnel's comments are the gold standard. Are they immune from having politically biased thoughts?
Not having served, I have no experience with the m... (show quote)


It's all relative Richard. I was comparing the military to the business world. In the military commanders rise to their ranks through a process of being recommended for promotion. You don't need direct military experience to understand that. In contrast, the business world is wide open to self-promotion, even when based on false claims. Trump has a long and highly visible history of s**ms, lies, lawsuits and pay-offs that all started with an inherited fortune. Also, I'm not calling the consensus among retired commanders a "gold standard". I'm simply pointing out that top-level military commanders (however much you want to marginalize them) have never been so opposed to a president before. It's a significance that you obviously want to dilute... but you really can't.

So, take your position Richard. Insult these commanders all you want while defending a draft-dodging politician. It's your choice.

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Aug 17, 2018 13:55:39   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
Yeah, I do, but you obviously missed my point about these commanders being retired, so you're numbers are pointless. You are counting the commanders who are still on active duty and therefore under Trump's command. They don't have the same liberty to publicize their opinions. Also, nothing you said changes my point about the historical significance as the fact remains that no other president in post-Civil War history has received (even close to) so much resistance from the military.

So... nice try wolf boy.
Yeah, I do, but you obviously missed my point abou... (show quote)


Your title clearly announces the claim that " The Military (Command) Opposes Trump.

You then trot out a couple of retired officers as though they represent the entire military command.

So no Goober, I didn't miss your point.

I just shot it down for you.

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Aug 17, 2018 13:57:54   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Fit2BTied wrote:
No great surprise since most of these senior officers were put in place by President Obama. It's only my opinion here, but the ability of our military to wage war has been disastrously curtailed by the previous administration.
The degradation of our military officer corps is no mystery. Obama did one hell of a job of filling the f**g ranks with political ideologues, l*****t hacks and yes men. I have watched some of them responding to grillings by congressional committees. Disheartening to say the least to see a man with stars on his shoulders squirming under direct inquiries and criticisms.

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Aug 17, 2018 14:06:19   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Each of the five services has a set number of f**g officers. Those with sufficient time in grade in a rank just below one-star (aka O-6)--colonels (Marine Corps, Army, Airforce) or captains (Navy, Coast Guard)--are ranked by an in-service promotion board.

The secretary of the service gets input as well as the Department Secretary (Department of Defense or Departmentof Homeland Security). That list is then sent to the President who nominates an O-6 to a f**g officer commission. That must then be v**ed on by the Senate under the normal confirmation process.
Each of the five services has a set number of f**g... (show quote)
Unless you've been living under a rock the past 10 years you know exactly what I was referring to. President Obama "removed" senior officers who were loyal to America rather than to the President's agenda. And this list only covers the years through 2013!!

Commanding Generals fired:

General John R. Allen-U.S. Marines Commander International Security Assistance Force [ISAF] (Nov 2012)
Major General Ralph Baker (2 Star)-U.S. Army Commander of the Combined Joint Task Force Horn in Africa (April 2013)
Major General Michael Carey (2 Star)-U.S. Air Force Commander of the 20th US Air Force in charge of 9,600 people and 450 Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles (Oct 2013)
Colonel James Christmas-U.S. Marines Commander 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit & Commander Special-Purpose Marine Air-Ground Task Force Crisis Response Unit (July 2013)
Major General Peter Fuller-U.S. Army Commander in Afghanistan (May 2011)
Major General Charles M.M. Gurganus-U.S. Marine Corps Regional Commander of SW and I Marine Expeditionary Force in Afghanistan (Oct 2013)
General Carter F. Ham-U.S. Army African Command (Oct 2013)
Lieutenant General David H. Huntoon (3 Star), Jr.-U.S. Army 58th Superintendent of the US Military Academy at West Point, NY (2013)
Command Sergeant Major Don B Jordan-U.S. Army 143rd Expeditionary Sustainment Command (suspended Oct 2013)
General James Mattis-U.S. Marines Chief of CentCom (May 2013)
Colonel Daren Margolin-U.S. Marine in charge of Quantico’s Security Battalion (Oct 2013)
General Stanley McChrystal-U.S. Army Commander Afghanistan (June 2010)
General David D. McKiernan-U.S. Army Commander Afghanistan (2009)
General David Petraeus-Director of CIA from September 2011 to November 2012 & U.S. Army Commander International Security Assistance Force [ISAF] and Commander U.S. Forces Afghanistan [USFOR-A] (Nov 2012)
Brigadier General Bryan Roberts-U.S. Army Commander 2nd Brigade (May 2013)
Major General Gregg A. Sturdevant-U.S. Marine Corps Director of Strategic Planning and Policy for the U.S. Pacific Command & Commander of Aviation Wing at Camp Bastion, Afghanistan (Sept 2013)
Colonel Eric Tilley-U.S. Army Commander of Garrison Japan (Nov 2013)
Brigadier General Bryan Wampler-U.S. Army Commanding General of 143rd Expeditionary Sustainment Command of the 1st Theater Sustainment Command [TSC] (suspended Oct 2013)

Commanding Admirals fired:

Rear Admiral Charles Gaouette-U.S. Navy Commander John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Group Three (Oct 2012)
Vice Admiral Tim Giardina(3 Star, demoted to 2 Star)-U.S. Navy Deputy Commander of the US Strategic Command, Commander of the Submarine Group Trident, Submarine Group 9 and Submarine Group 10 (Oct 2013)

Naval Officers fired: (All in 2011)

Captain David Geisler-U.S. Navy Commander Task Force 53 in Bahrain (Oct 2011)
Commander Laredo Bell-U.S. Navy Commander Naval Support Activity Saratoga Springs, NY (Aug 2011)
Lieutenant Commander Kurt Boenisch-Executive Officer amphibious t***sport dock Ponce (Apr 2011)
Commander Nathan Borchers-U.S. Navy Commander destroyer Stout (Mar 2011)
Commander Robert Brown-U.S. Navy Commander Beachmaster Unit 2 Fort Story, VA (Aug 2011)
Commander Andrew Crowe-Executive Officer Navy Region Center Singapore (Apr 2011)
Captain Robert Gamberg-Executive Officer carrier Dwight D. Eisenhower (Jun 2011)
Captain Rex Guinn-U.S. Navy Commander Navy Legal Service office Japan (Feb 2011)
Commander Kevin Harms- U.S. Navy Commander Strike Fighter Squadron 137 aboard the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln (Mar 2011)
Lieutenant Commander Martin Holguin-U.S. Navy Commander mine countermeasures Fearless (Oct 2011)
Captain Owen Honors-U.S. Navy Commander aircraft carrier USS Enterprise (Jan 2011)
Captain Donald Hornbeck-U.S. Navy Commander Destroyer Squadron 1 San Diego (Apr 2011)
Rear Admiral Ron Horton-U.S. Navy Commander Logistics Group, Western Pacific (Mar 2011)
Commander Etta Jones-U.S. Navy Commander amphibious t***sport dock Ponce (Apr 2011)
Commander Ralph Jones-Executive Officer amphibious t***sport dock Green Bay (Jul 2011)
Commander Jonathan Jackson-U.S. Navy Commander Electronic Attack Squadron 134, deployed aboard carrier Carl Vinson (Dec 2011)
Captain Eric Merrill-U.S. Navy Commander submarine Emory S. Land (Jul 2011)
Captain William Mosk-U.S. Navy Commander Naval Station Rota, U.S. Navy Commander Naval Activities Spain (Apr 2011)
Commander Timothy Murphy-U.S. Navy Commander Electronic Attack Squadron 129 at Naval Air Station Whidbey Island, WA (Apr 2011)
Commander Joseph Nosse-U.S. Navy Commander ballistic-missile submarine Kentucky (Oct 2011)
Commander Mark Olson-U.S. Navy Commander destroyer The Sullivans FL (Sep 2011)
Commander John Pethel-Executive Officer amphibious t***sport dock New York (Dec 2011)
Commander Karl Pugh-U.S. Navy Commander Electronic Attack Squadron 141 Whidbey Island, WA (Jul 2011)
Commander Jason Strength-U.S. Navy Commander of Navy Recruiting District Nashville, TN (Jul 2011)
Captain Greg Thomas-U.S. Navy Commander Norfolk Naval Shipyard (May 2011)
Commander Mike Varney-U.S. Navy Commander attack submarine Connecticut (Jun 2011)
Commander Jay Wylie-U.S. Navy Commander destroyer Momsen (Apr 2011)

Naval Officers fired: (All in 2012):

Commander Alan C. Aber-Executive Officer Helicopter Maritime Strike Squadron 71 (July 2012)
Commander Derick Armstrong- U.S. Navy Commander missile destroyer USS The Sullivans (May 2012)
Commander Martin Arriola- U.S. Navy Commander destroyer USS Porter (Aug 2012)
Captain Antonio Cardoso- U.S. Navy Commander Training Support Center San Diego (Sep 2012)
Captain James CoBell- U.S. Navy Commander Oceana Naval Air Station’s Fleet Readiness Center Mid-Atlantic (Sep 2012)
Captain Joseph E. Darlak- U.S. Navy Commander frigate USS Vandegrift (Nov 2012)
Captain Daniel Dusek-U.S. Navy Commander USS Bonhomme
Commander David Faught-Executive Officer destroyer Chung-Hoon (Sep 2012)
Commander Franklin Fernandez- U.S. Navy Commander Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 24 (Aug 2012)
Commander Ray Hartman- U.S. Navy Commander Amphibious dock-landing ship Fort McHenry (Nov 2012)
Commander Shelly Hakspiel-Executive Officer Navy Drug Screening Lab San Diego (May 2012)
Commander Jon Haydel- U.S. Navy Commander USS San Diego (Mar 2012)
Commander Diego Hernandez- U.S. Navy Commander ballistic-missile submarine USS Wyoming (Feb 2012)
Commander Lee Hoey- U.S. Navy Commander Drug Screening Laboratory, San Diego (May 2012)
Commander Ivan Jimenez-Executive Officer frigate Vandegrift (Nov 2012)
Commander Dennis Klein- U.S. Navy Commander submarine USS Columbia (May 2012)
Captain Chuck Litchfield- U.S. Navy Commander assault ship USS Essex (Jun 2012)
Captain Marcia Kim Lyons- U.S. Navy Commander Naval Health Clinic New England (Apr 2012)
Captain Robert Marin- U.S. Navy Commander cruiser USS Cowpens (Feb 2012)
Captain Sean McDonell- U.S. Navy Commander Seabee reserve unit Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 14 FL (Nov 2012)
Commander Corrine Parker- U.S. Navy Commander Fleet Logistics Support Squadron 1 (Apr 2012)
Captain Liza Raimondo- U.S. Navy Commander Naval Health Clinic Patuxent River, MD (Jun 2012)
Captain Jeffrey Riedel- Program manager, Littoral Combat Ship program (Jan 2012)
Commander Sara Santoski- U.S. Navy Commander Helicopter Mine Countermeasures Squadron 15 (Sep 2012)
Commander Kyle G. Strudthoff-Executive Officer Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron 25 (Sep 2012)
Commander Sheryl Tannahill- U.S. Navy Commander Navy Operational Support Center [NOSC] Nashville, TN (Sep 2012)
Commander Michael Ward- U.S. Navy Commander submarine USS Pittsburgh (Aug 2012)
Captain Michael Wiegand- U.S. Navy Commander Southwest Regional Maintenance Center (Nov 2012)
Captain Ted Williams- U.S. Navy Commander amphibious command ship Mount Whitney (Nov 2012)
Commander Jeffrey Wissel- U.S. Navy Commander of Fleet Air Reconnaissance Squadron 1 (Feb 2012)

Naval Officers fired: (All in 2013):

Lieutenant Commander Lauren Allen-Executive Officer submarine Jacksonville (Feb 2013)
Reserve Captain Jay Bowman-U.S. Navy Commander Navy Operational Support Center [NOSC] Fort Dix, NJ (Mar 2013)
Captain William Cogar-U.S. Navy Commander hospital ship Mercy’s medical treatment facility (Sept 2013)
Commander Steve Fuller-Executive Officer frigate Kauffman (Mar 2013)
Captain Shawn Hendricks-Program Manager for naval enterprise IT networks (June 2013)
Captain David H****r-U.S. Navy Commander of Maritime Expeditionary Security Squadron 12 & Coastal Riverine Group 2 (Feb 2013)
Captain Eric Johnson-U.S. Navy Chief of Military Entrance Processing Command at Great Lakes Naval Training Center, IL (2013)
Captain Devon Jones-U.S. Navy Commander Naval Air Facility El Centro, CA (July 2013)
Captain Kevin Knoop-U.S. Navy Commander hospital ship Comfort’s medical treatment facility (Aug 2013)
Lieutenant Commander Jack O’Neill-U.S. Navy Commander Operational Support Center Rock Island, IL (Mar 2013)
Commander Allen Maestas-Executive Officer Beachmaster Unit 1 (May 2013)
Commander Luis Molina-U.S. Navy Commander submarine Pasadena (Jan 2013)
Commander James Pickens-Executive Officer frigate Gary (Feb 2013)
Lieutenant Commander Mark Rice-U.S. Navy Commander Mine Countermeasures ship Guardian (Apr 2013)
Commander Michael Runkle-U.S. Navy Commander of Mobile Diving and Salvage Unit 2 (May 2013)
Commander Jason Stapleton-Executive Office Patrol Squadron 4 in Hawaii (Mar 2013)
Commander Nathan Sukols-U.S. Navy Commander submarine Jacksonville (Feb 2013)
Lieutenant Daniel Tyler-Executive Officer Mine Countermeasures ship Guardian (Apr 2013)
Commander Edward White-U.S. Navy Commander Strike Fighter Squadron 106 (Aug 2013)
Captain Jeffrey Winter-U.S. Navy Commander of Carrier Air Wing 17 (Sept 2013)
Commander Thomas Winter-U.S. Navy Commander submarine Montpelier (Jan 2013)
Commander Corey Wofford- U.S. Navy Commander frigate Kauffman (Feb 2013)

Now one might surmise that, since President Obama expected that his certain successor, Hillary Clinton would continue to take the country in the same general direction (UN controlled/globalism) so he was doing the work needed to insure our military didn't rise up to save America from this travesty. You can form your own opinions, but I'd call this a purge - no different than when dissidents are purged in authoritarian countries like N. Korea, China, Turkey, etc.

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Aug 17, 2018 14:14:24   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Fit2BTied wrote:
No great surprise since most of these senior officers were put in place by President Obama.

Aside from being irrelevant, I suspect you really don't have any data to back that up. Besides, most of these retired commanders started rising up through the ranks long before Obama came to Washington D.C and if any of them were appointed to top positions by the president it wasn't without strong recommendations from inside the military.

Fit2BTied wrote:

It's only my opinion here, but the ability of our military to wage war has been disastrously curtailed by the previous administration.

Thank you for sharing your unexplained opinion. Don't be offended if I tell you there isn't much of a track record to compare with. Our military hasn't won a war without significant help from European powers since our fight for imperialism in Cuba and the Philippines... That was over a century ago.

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Aug 17, 2018 14:15:20   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
Your title clearly announces the claim that " The Military (Command) Opposes Trump.

You then trot out a couple of retired officers as though they represent the entire military command.

So no Goober, I didn't miss your point.

I just shot it down for you.


No, you totally missed my point... I was very clear (in my original post) about the significance of retirement and you totally missed it and now you're trying to use my topic title to disqualify the content of my post because it's the only recourse you have. I know it's common for some people to stop at the headlines because reading is hard, but headlines (and by the same token, topic titles) are primarily meant to attract attention, not explain details.

But wh**ever you gotta do... I know you're desperate to disprove my claim, so wh**ever excuses you can find. It's all good.

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