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Aug 9, 2018 13:19:36   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
JoyV wrote:
The name of the league is NATIONAL Football League.


So, not International.

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Aug 9, 2018 13:21:53   #
moldyoldy
 
maureenthannon wrote:
Those Kneeling aren't respecting the f**g. They are proudly disrespecting it by refusing to stand with their hand over their heart. They're saying "F You" to the country they foolishly h**e. They seem to not know or care that in this country they are free to do what they want. In the Socialist Utopias that the Left seem to think are so wonderful, they'd be k**led for disagreeing with or disrespecting the rulers or government; Just take a look at what happened t the people in N**i Germany, the USSR, Venezuela, etc. Socialism isn't really all that great!
Those Kneeling aren't respecting the f**g. They a... (show quote)


So, you want to take away that freedom? Even though some are much freer than others.

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Aug 9, 2018 13:30:55   #
moldyoldy
 
JoyV wrote:
You ask if it in unAmerican to knell [kneel] for our anthem. No. Not to kneel FOR our anthem. But Kaepernick did NOT kneel FOR the anthem. He knelt AGAINST the anthem. To kneel in protest AGAINST our anthem IS unAmerican, yet not illegal. To do it while you are in uniform in view of the people who have paid to watch you represent your team in a sports game which you get paid a lot for; is cutting your own throat. Unless you don't care about getting paid. Not because the owners might refuse to pay you, but because the fans will refuse to watch you. Eventually the financial loss to the owners will become too much to continue to allow you to disrespect their country's anthem. But in Kaepernick's case, he had gone even further in cutting his own throat. He walked away from his contract, then couldn't understand why none of the other teams would risk giving him a contract. He of course blamed it on r****m.

But if these sports stars really cared about the cause they profess to find so important; they would spend their own time to support it. Many people who feel strongly about a cause not only spend their own time, but their own money. Nor do most people who do so make a fraction of what these sports starts do.

As for the objective, Kaepeernick admitted to the protest being against the anthem and f**g itself. He said they were symbols of s***ery because our founders were s***e owners.
You ask if it in unAmerican to knell kneel for o... (show quote)





According to Pro Football Talk:
“…Kaepernick pointed to police brutality against people of color and said people are “not being held accountable” for their actions. He also criticized both of the major party candidates for president — “You have Hillary [Clinton] who’s called black kids, black teens ‘super predators.’ You have [Donald] Trump who’s openly r****t” — while speaking for about 20 minutes on Sunday.
“Ultimately it’s to bring awareness and make people realize what’s really going on in this country,” Kaepernick said, via Cam Inman of the San Jose Mercury News. “There are a lot of things that are going on that are unjust, people aren’t being held accountable for, that’s something that needs to change. That’s something, that, this country stands for liberty, freedom, justice for all. And it’s not happening for all right now. … I’ll continue to sit. I’m continue to stand with the people that are being oppressed. To me this is something that has to change, and when there’s significant change and I feel that that f**g represents what it’s supposed to represent and this country is representing people in the way that it’s supposed to, I’ll stand.”
Kaepernick also addressed one of the frequent criticisms of his stand by saying that his decision to sit during the anthem is not a sign of disrespect for those that have served the United States in the military.
“I have great respect for our men and women that fought for this country,” Kaepernick said. “I have family, I have friends that have fought for this country. And they fight for freedom. They fight for liberty and justice, for everyone. And that’s not happening. I mean, people are dying in vain because this country is not holding its end of the bargain up as far as giving freedom and justice and liberty to everybody. It’s something that’s not happening. I’ve seen videos, I’ve seen circumstances, where men and women that have been in the military have come back and been treated unjustly by the country they fought for, and have been murdered by the country they fought for. On our land. That’s not right.”
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/dylan-gwinn/2016/08/28/kaepernick-elaborates-reason-behind-his-protest-and-its-still

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/veteran-kaepernick-take-a-knee-anthem/

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Aug 9, 2018 13:33:51   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
moldyoldy wrote:
According to Pro Football Talk:
“…Kaepernick pointed to police brutality against people of color and said people are “not being held accountable” for their actions. He also criticized both of the major party candidates for president — “You have Hillary [Clinton] who’s called black kids, black teens ‘super predators.’ You have [Donald] Trump who’s openly r****t” — while speaking for about 20 minutes on Sunday.
“Ultimately it’s to bring awareness and make people realize what’s really going on in this country,” Kaepernick said, via Cam Inman of the San Jose Mercury News. “There are a lot of things that are going on that are unjust, people aren’t being held accountable for, that’s something that needs to change. That’s something, that, this country stands for liberty, freedom, justice for all. And it’s not happening for all right now. … I’ll continue to sit. I’m continue to stand with the people that are being oppressed. To me this is something that has to change, and when there’s significant change and I feel that that f**g represents what it’s supposed to represent and this country is representing people in the way that it’s supposed to, I’ll stand.”
Kaepernick also addressed one of the frequent criticisms of his stand by saying that his decision to sit during the anthem is not a sign of disrespect for those that have served the United States in the military.
“I have great respect for our men and women that fought for this country,” Kaepernick said. “I have family, I have friends that have fought for this country. And they fight for freedom. They fight for liberty and justice, for everyone. And that’s not happening. I mean, people are dying in vain because this country is not holding its end of the bargain up as far as giving freedom and justice and liberty to everybody. It’s something that’s not happening. I’ve seen videos, I’ve seen circumstances, where men and women that have been in the military have come back and been treated unjustly by the country they fought for, and have been murdered by the country they fought for. On our land. That’s not right.”
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/dylan-gwinn/2016/08/28/kaepernick-elaborates-reason-behind-his-protest-and-its-still

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/veteran-kaepernick-take-a-knee-anthem/
According to Pro Football Talk: br “…Kaepernick po... (show quote)

No one cares about these multi million dollar slackers

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Aug 9, 2018 13:55:16   #
moldyoldy
 
Crayons wrote:
No one cares about these multi million dollar slackers


JEALOUS?

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Aug 9, 2018 14:00:05   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
moldyoldy wrote:
JEALOUS?

of doped up wannabe gangsta slackers? git lost sunshine

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Aug 9, 2018 15:19:02   #
SilentGeneration Loc: Michigan
 
maureenthannon wrote:
Those Kneeling aren't respecting the f**g. They are proudly disrespecting it by refusing to stand with their hand over their heart. They're saying "F You" to the country they foolishly h**e. They seem to not know or care that in this country they are free to do what they want. In the Socialist Utopias that the Left seem to think are so wonderful, they'd be k**led for disagreeing with or disrespecting the rulers or government; Just take a look at what happened t the people in N**i Germany, the USSR, Venezuela, etc. Socialism isn't really all that great!
Those Kneeling aren't respecting the f**g. They a... (show quote)


I think the choice of protesting against injustice by involving our f**g and national anthem may have distracted national attention away from the injustice inflicted on targeted groups. That's not the same as asking for socialism. Many professional athletes do work to improve their communities and help with disaster relief on their own time and dime.

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Aug 9, 2018 16:50:36   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
SilentGeneration wrote:
I think the choice of protesting against injustice by involving our f**g and national anthem may have distracted national attention away from the injustice inflicted on targeted groups. That's not the same as asking for socialism. Many professional athletes do work to improve their communities and help with disaster relief on their own time and dime.



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Aug 9, 2018 16:51:04   #
EmilyD
 
JoyV wrote:
You ask if it in unAmerican to knell [kneel] for our anthem. No. Not to kneel FOR our anthem. But Kaepernick did NOT kneel FOR the anthem. He knelt AGAINST the anthem. To kneel in protest AGAINST our anthem IS unAmerican, yet not illegal. To do it while you are in uniform in view of the people who have paid to watch you represent your team in a sports game which you get paid a lot for; is cutting your own throat. Unless you don't care about getting paid. Not because the owners might refuse to pay you, but because the fans will refuse to watch you. Eventually the financial loss to the owners will become too much to continue to allow you to disrespect their country's anthem. But in Kaepernick's case, he had gone even further in cutting his own throat. He walked away from his contract, then couldn't understand why none of the other teams would risk giving him a contract. He of course blamed it on r****m.

But if these sports stars really cared about the cause they profess to find so important; they would spend their own time to support it. Many people who feel strongly about a cause not only spend their own time, but their own money. Nor do most people who do so make a fraction of what these sports starts do.

As for the objective, Kaepeernick admitted to the protest being against the anthem and f**g itself. He said they were symbols of s***ery because our founders were s***e owners.
You ask if it in unAmerican to knell kneel for o... (show quote)


And look where it got him - a free agent that no NFL team wants to sign.

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Aug 9, 2018 16:53:48   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
EmilyD wrote:
And look where it got him - a free agent that no NFL team wants to sign.


Still waiting for your answer.

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Aug 9, 2018 17:15:43   #
EmilyD
 
Bad Bob wrote:
Still waiting for your answer.

I did answer you.

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Aug 9, 2018 17:22:03   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
EmilyD wrote:
I did answer you.


No go back to your silly list.

Bad Bob (a regular here) (online) Joined: Aug 30, 2014 Posts: 23720 Loc: Virginia

Bad Bob wrote:
Of course you are knowledgeable on the material you posted. You wouldn't cut and paste something from www.wackorus.com. So please answer my question on healthcare and we can continue.


"Ordered the Environmental Protection Agency to k**l Obama’s Clean Power Plan. (Saving the US millions)"

You think more air pollution is an accomplishment?

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Aug 9, 2018 17:31:48   #
EmilyD
 
Bad Bob wrote:
No go back to your silly list.

Bad Bob (a regular here) (online) Joined: Aug 30, 2014 Posts: 23720 Loc: Virginia

Bad Bob wrote:
Of course you are knowledgeable on the material you posted. You wouldn't cut and paste something from www.wackorus.com. So please answer my question on healthcare and we can continue.


"Ordered the Environmental Protection Agency to k**l Obama’s Clean Power Plan. (Saving the US millions)"

You think more air pollution is an accomplishment?
No go back to your silly list. br br Bad Bob (a r... (show quote)


You did not ask me that question. You asked yourself that question. (You replied to yourself.) I answered one question - about Obamacare. I'm not going to answer every question you have.

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Aug 9, 2018 17:54:24   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
EmilyD wrote:
You did not ask me that question. You asked yourself that question. (You replied to yourself.) I answered one question - about Obamacare. I'm not going to answer every question you have.


My questions are what you posted. You are knowledgeable on what you posted aren't you?


I asked you. "You think more air pollution is an accomplishment?"

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Aug 9, 2018 19:43:54   #
EmilyD
 
Bad Bob wrote:
My questions are what you posted. You are knowledgeable on what you posted aren't you?


I asked you. "You think more air pollution is an accomplishment?"

No, it wouldn't be if there were such a thing. Pulling out of an accord agreement that is based on falsehood and cost the US billions that only other countries benefitted from IS an accomplishment, though.

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