Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

We are waiting for the fall out of Mueller's investigation.

We are seeing bits & pieces that the are things leading to convictions.

There is a strong interest from the right that things just go away.

So we are now looking to try the case with public opinion.

I don't care what your personal view is on the guilt or innocence of any individual.

We do need to have a system of justice that we all can trust.
An for any one only wishing for a personal favorable out come with out true justice.
Is only harming their personal chances for a fair outcome in any personal issue they may have.

A system must take in to consideration of how will I personal be treated if I am with out the power of the system I rely on?
The belief that might makes right is never going to be a part of a LASTING system.

If we wish to preserve our personal beliefs we need to preserve the personal beliefs of all individuals.
This will only come about when we can come to an agreement on what values are truly the most important to all of us.

We all have bits & pieces in varying degrees now.
We can not settle for the extremes of these views as the basis for our system.

Yes I feel that Trump has a soul & with in that soul there is a spark of good.
It is just that Trump calls on a different part of his brain for most of what he thinks & acts on.
Blind allegiance to Trump is not in the best interest of any one.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

We all want the t***h.... and an end to this soap opera. The problem, as I see it, Mueller is so invested in this that I do not think it will end any time soon, but it may start to disappear from the news. The reason, he has nothing of any value that he can ask for an indictment of President Trump. The thing is, Comey set a standard..... questioning of Clinton without her being under oath, allowing her lawyer to be present while all conversations took place and finally allowing that she broke the law with her email issue but they would not prosecute.

So, it would be a double standard if Mueller tried to indict the President without not only a smoking gun but a body, bullet, and gun with our President's fingerprints. Why will it start to fade from the news, well when it disappears then Mueller can quietly shut down the case without much fall out or folks dancing and saying....."I told you so." Plus it will allow the FBI to save face.

Lonewolf

But this isn't all about trump there are many involved in hacking money laundering in this case.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Very true.... I made a mistake, I thought that this thread was only discussing President Trump.
But, yes indeed President Putin did drop the big bomb on British Financier Bill Browder's contributions to K**lary. That should become part of the investigation.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

So much of what we find wrong with politics is the political parties & the money drawn to them.
we need to stop looking to political parties to solve the problems.
They are the problems.

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

I'm not sure why the Browder issue matters at all. In a kleptocracy like the Russian government, it is easy to accuse someone of ill-gotten gains. Are we now relying on Putin's say so? How would we know whether Browder paid all of his taxes (which would also raise the Trump tax returns issue)?

As for his political donations....who cares? As I understand the rules governing campaign finances, money is talks. He is exercising free speech and there are no limits on how much political free speech one buys.

Not sure why you brought this subject up.

bahmer

Spot on Pennlynn and the sooner the better.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

As I see the issue:
We as individual citizens do not receive a complete picture of the going on of actions by people within our government.
I say there is too much of personal actions by some with in our government .
Concerning individual actions acting in the interest of political parties.
With those actions hidden as materers of national interst.

The big issue before us is centered on an e******n.
Are we to believe that it is our national interest is being harmed if we wish to have t***sparency
T***sparency in how we our national e******ns are being conducted.

Are we as citizens to be denied the t***sparency of all information pertaining to our candidates.
To protect the political parties choices for governmental offices as being in the national interest.

Is it a cover up when the people involve now wish to have the information hidden from the public.
Is the reasoning of things having been done in the past a reasonable reason for it to happen again.

I think not.

When faced with the plea of unfairness to be penalized for actions that have been done by others in the past
Just how far do we go back to under take criminal actions of political individuals?

Or do we leave the past to be judged in the court of public opinion?
Is what is going on now to be judged now of left to the furture ?
To be judged in the court of public opnion.?

Are we left to always giving our politicians free range to use any means they chose to get elected ?