rumitoid

Be a problem to your party; think independently!

rumitoid

Too funny: no comments. Be absorbed, go gently into clouds of foggy by being utterly convinced doctrine wh**ever my party headquarters tell you. And pass it on by unsubstantiated email and conspiracy theories you know.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Since most OPPers are not exactly committed to traditional party politics...and in fact those with TP and RWE tendencies already a problem for the Republican Party...I would like to modify the statement to urge RWE tendency thinkers to think outside their group and become a problem for the group...and perhaps bring them back toward realities from the swampy idiocies presently d**gging down the whole right side of our politics. We need two balanced and truly diverse parties, not two parties in danger of takeover by extremist groups and factionalisms that leave the middle disrepresented and warp self-government.

I'm not disagreeing with your idea, Rumi, just making sure everyone understands that thinking independentlly means independent, not side group-think. I imagine most TPs and RWEs think of themselves as thinking outside the box. Yes, very outside the mainstream box but very much inside a group-think box that is the opposite of independent thinking. They need to understand what independent thinking is...that is, if it's possible for them to think outside the peculiar box they've gotten themselves into. :roll:

Regarding the non-RWEs on OPP, there seems to be no group-think involved and they appear to be a diverse and independent-thinking bunch of individuals. Or at least so far I haven't spotted an OPP club of Gov.Dean's Americans for Democracy with that group's tendency to demand conformity to their further left brand. Thus, I addressed my point to OPP RWEs, but in the larger world your point and my refocus on it applies to both left and right group-think. I'll go further and state that group operations on political forums like OPP is basicly dishonest, and state that there appears to be a RWE group operation on OPP that clearly isn't honest independent thinking and debate--deliberately and despicably dishonest in group operation. Their Alinsky playbook tactics define the group operation. There's also an even more dishonest Putin New Russia OPP operation infiltrating and twisting the RWE group-think points toward Putin
advantage thought...not obvious until the operation went into high gear in Feb. when the Ukraine situation developed and into higher gear the past three weeks. Anyone interested in Russian geopolitical points on Ukraine, Syria and Middle East, American aggression history since WWII, role of 'petrodollar,' fiat currency, and Fed Reserve and dollar as world reserve currency need only check the Pana/Capitalist/Patty Feb-March sequence of posted subjects...quite the education in New Russia neo-f*****t geopolitics and propaganda twists if anyone is interested--an OPP operation characterized by quotes from RT and other Russian internet propaganda sites and Paul Craig Roberts--also notable for Alinskisms. :-P

JPBIII

Speak English please. Do not initialeeze or at least define what the the initials stand for. As for the topic itself, political decisions -if you decide to make them-should be based on principles and with making an analysis of how to achieve out-comes that best insure those principled out-comes. Party cannot be ignored for it is through Party and by gaining control of that Party that like-minded people influence events. Enemies of the principles one stands for must be purged from that party. In other words Tea Party needs to take-over the Republican Party and neutralize opponents if it wants to influence events. Alas I despair of a solution to the rot that has become of country. It is decadent and the right is fragmented into libertarians and social conservatives who are deeply divided by ideology themselves This nation is too decadent I fear. I do not like the idea but I am more and more convinced of that every day and have lost hope.

Slingblade68 Loc: Charleston SC

It's been far too long since I have posted a word regarding the political landscape of this once great nation. However, I must weigh in on your opinion.

The dichotomy of "right and "Left" is dictated by conventional wisdom. Without one the other is non existing. In short, this is an absolute, or rather, a perfect discretionary methodology. While unfortunately, a sinister one. If both sides are fighting the spoils go to the victory party. Or in this case the leading one.

Americans must stand back and recognize their own individuality. A political party is not their friend. As Ronald Reagan once said " Maybe it's time to reinvent the republican Party. Or have another representative one for the people."

We are not a Democracy. We are a Republic! Too many have lost the true definition of a " representative" Republic. More Americans need to read the Constitution and recognize that "limited Government" is the best government. Simply put, enforce the borders . IE protect American citizens . Secondly enforce the laws that protect American citizens from fraud and theft etc.

Most have become a complacent bunch of government following Teat sucking wimps. Stand on your own two feet and make it on your own. Or you will fail. Sink or swim.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

You seem to have swallowed the whole tea bag group-think. Didn't you understand the point of independent thinking as opposed to group-think? Yeah, your idea is to kidnap the GOP and purge (neutralize) the disagreeing Republicans, make everyone conform. You i***t, that's decadant thinking...that's neo-f*****t thinking. America is NOT decadent...to be blunt, you and your kind are. Sorry to have to be so rude, but you need to know the t***h about your thinking.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Has it occurred to you that you may be a group-think teat sucking wimp yourself?

JPBIII

The Tea Party partly articulates my long experience with the left and what muddle-headed liberals like you think,useful i***t. I have more respect for committed Marxists like Angela Davis than for you. Have you even heard of her? Compare the West with its vigorous enemies. Al Qaeda is laughing at your types and would put you in line quickly under Sharia law and all your like-minded why can't we all just get along mush-minds. Putin welcomes the lot of useful i***ts like you in his campaign to regain his empire.By the way spell decadent correctly if you even understand what it means. Are you so stupid that you can't even use spell check by the way? Neo-f*****t? Did I ever suggest non-democratic means against you? You are spewing terms Marxists use to denigrate their enemies in such an Orwellian fashion. You fling these epithets hoping to characterize the opposition without really listening to what has been said.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Use plain English, please, yourself, PFTIII. Talk about Orwellian gibberish...read your own post. Yes, you are plain and simple neo-f*****t in thinking as well as a ranting i***t. I should know, since I have a tendency to rant i***tically myself. :mrgreen:

bobgssc

excellent post! I would have responded earlier but have been enjoying the sun (okay, I was doing some yardwork, but the sun was shining!)
I have been trying to think of a simple title to show how disgusted I am with the behavior on the forum from both sides (and those who don't have a side and are simply here to annoy others), and you nailed it! Simplicity at its best!
Thank you.

bobgssc

So much for removing the right/left absurdity... good job at showing exactly how accurate his thread title is.

JPBIII

I was just annoyed you accused me of group think. I apologize for going over the top. I am not a group thinker. Don't you want your candidates to win and eliminate so-called neo-f*****ts like me from political power. That's not neo-f*****t by the way and the term is offensive and I just shot back. It is a term of art for far left and amounts to name-calling. The Tea Party is is not monolithic by the way.They are basically opposed to the prevailing group think in Washington now. Concretely I am opposed to gay marriage, big government a******n affirmative action.and over-regulation and want people who support that out of office. Completely. Their ideas are dangerous and have weakened the country, I don't believe you should compromise with those well-meaning or not who are destroying the country in which I grew up. Look at how Ted Cruz was treated by his own party. I do not really think they will prevail anyway but it feels good to hear Reaganesque ideas again.