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Apr 15, 2018 17:59:19   #
emarine
 
son of witless wrote:
I just want to know how much Putin pays. I am tired of working for that cheapskate Trump. He has never paid me.




How much does Putin pay???... Ask Trump???...

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Apr 15, 2018 18:01:30   #
acknowledgeurma
 
debeda wrote:
I agree 100% And just to add in a VERY unfashionable observation, I found it bizarre that 911 happened shortly after Prez Bush announced that we were going to begin withdrawing all troops from the middle East. I always found it strange that actions guaranteed to ramp up the U.S. military presence there would be taken after such an announcement. And things were a little on tilt with the Clinton presidency and the advent of the PC culture in the 1990s but things went to hell on a greased slide after 911....
I agree 100% And just to add in a VERY unfashionab... (show quote)

debeda wrote, "911 happened shortly after Prez Bush announced that we were going to begin withdrawing all troops from the middle East." I couldn,t find information to support this statement. Could you point me to your source? Thanks.

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Apr 15, 2018 18:12:03   #
acknowledgeurma
 
woodguru wrote:
I found it far more telling that 9/11 happened on the week that the report was to be announced that the Pentagon couldn't account for $2 Trillion dollars. It was over $6.5 Trillion toward the end of Obama's term. But it isn't very republican to hold the military accountable, so we won't.

That seems like a lot of zeroes. The Pentagon budget in 2001 was ~$310 Billion. $2 Trillion is over 6 times that years budget. How many budget years is that $2 Trillion over? Are you sure you got the numbers right?

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Apr 15, 2018 18:25:47   #
debeda
 
acknowledgeurma wrote:
debeda wrote, "911 happened shortly after Prez Bush announced that we were going to begin withdrawing all troops from the middle East." I couldn,t find information to support this statement. Could you point me to your source? Thanks.


I will try to find something. My source was actually my memory. I was very happy after the results of desert storm et al that we were going to get out of there and remember being shocked and baffled that a middle East terrorist group would pull these attacks right after we announced that we were leaving the middle East because it was stable. When I find it I'll private message it to you or if it's this evening I'll put it up on this thread.

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Apr 15, 2018 18:56:35   #
acknowledgeurma
 
maureenthannon wrote:
Anyone else here old enough to remember back in the 1980's, Ronald Reagan was able to end the cold war by working with the head of Russia, Gorbechev? In more recent times, Hillary and the DNC made deals with Russia, they gave Clintons millions of dollars and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton allowed Russians access to 20% of America's uranium supply? Not as impressive to the America hating Libs as Obama's deal with Iran.which was advertised to stop Iran from obtaining nukes, but actually did the opposite.We ended sanctions on Iran, and sold Iran nuclear reactors; the internationl community would stop examining Iran's nuclear program, in exchange, Iran "promised" not to use their nuclear capabilities for making nuclear weapons. Has Iran ever kept a promise?
Anyone else here old enough to remember back in th... (show quote)

Of course you will discount the following, but googling, "Hillary Clinton allowed Russians access to 20% of America's uranium supply", I found:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/06/561587174/the-alternative-russia-scandal
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration
https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/facts-uranium-one/
http://www.politifact.com/t***h-o-meter/article/2017/oct/24/what-you-need-know-about-hillary-clinton-and-urani/
https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2017/1114/What-s-the-real-story-behind-Hillary-Clinton-Russia-and-uranium

These don't support your allegations.

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Apr 15, 2018 19:00:55   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Vot trohl komrad.
Lagh outloudski.
I make jokes.
Ven plummer koming.
Nex July 6
Oh no, that day get see dokter
Funny Yes.

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Apr 15, 2018 20:04:28   #
ghostgotcha Loc: The Florida swamps
 
In this thread alone many have shown their hands. Re-Read the thread again and learn who our enemies are.


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Apr 15, 2018 20:48:06   #
woodguru
 
maureenthannon wrote:
Son, That "cheapskate Trump" has paid you, and EVERY American, by lowering unemployment, boosting the economy. And why would a "cheapskate" be willing to work without taking a salary? Trump wanted to not get a salary for his job as POUS, but his enemies, and the enemies of our country's well being said that it was illegal for him to work without getting paid a salary, so he agreed to a salary. Trump is getting paid $1.00 a year for his P**********l salary.


And millions for Mar A Lago memberships he boosted the price on, foreign dignitaries now use Trump hotels instead of the previously popular 4 seasons

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Apr 15, 2018 20:50:22   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
acknowledgeurma wrote:
So what sources do you trust and why?


There's no sources that I trust completely, but I do listen to True News and Q.

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Apr 15, 2018 20:55:26   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
acknowledgeurma wrote:
From what I've read and heard, there are (will be) Russian trolls who will appear to be supporters of all sorts of extreme positions. One line of thought is that the Russians want to sow confusion and foment distrust of our government and the democratic republican system it represents. Sad.


I'm sure there are a few Russian trolls, but I would say there are many more libs, thugs, lowlifes, druggers, and p*******es that are paid by Soros, obama, and clinton then Russian trolls..btw: I lived in Weatherford for a few years..Texans are.the nicest people I've ever met..Summers are a little brutal tho.

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Apr 15, 2018 21:04:46   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
woodguru wrote:
And millions for Mar A Lago memberships he boosted the price on, foreign dignitaries now use Trump hotels instead of the previously popular 4 seasons


So what!!

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Apr 15, 2018 21:05:50   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
old marine wrote:
Most of the trolls don't work for Putin or President Trump. Most trolls get their paychecks from the Clinton organization.



God bless America
Semper Fi


I am going to say that most of them get paid through the Soros paid for groups that seem so Russian although it is Soros and his people who hire the trolls here. Let me name a few of them. Media Matters, Think Progress, Daily Kos. So many of our lefties sound just like these three and a number of others. I am sure that some of our non-leaners need to read at those three places enough to realize that what I say may well be true. I might add that I think much of the crap some of them come up with sounds so much like CPUSA and other far left places.

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Apr 15, 2018 21:20:53   #
Mikeyavelli
 
oldroy wrote:
I am going to say that most of them get paid through the Soros paid for groups that seem so Russian although it is Soros and his people who hire the trolls here. Let me name a few of them. Media Matters, Think Progress, Daily Kos. So many of our lefties sound just like these three and a number of others. I am sure that some of our non-leaners need to read at those three places enough to realize that what I say may well be true. I might add that I think much of the crap some of them come up with sounds so much like CPUSA and other far left places.
I am going to say that most of them get paid throu... (show quote)



Move on dot org. They will pay you to protest Trump. They are behind every protest, t***sportation, signs, legal help, food, lodging, and 50 bucks an hour.
Mueller, I'll turn lefty forthat.

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Apr 15, 2018 23:15:10   #
samtheyank
 
ghostgotcha wrote:
Pentagon spokeswoman Dana White said in Saturday's Pentagon briefing that there has been a "2,000% increase in Russian trolls in the last 24 hours," following the coordinated strike against Syria on Friday night.

The bottom line: The problem of Russian actors generating division and conflict among Americans isn't going away. As Axios' Sara Fischer and David McCabe reported last year, they aim to sow confusion and capitalize on political divisions. Senator Ben Sasse said in a statement on Saturday that this illustrates what "the wars of the future will look like...The fog of war will not be limited to our situation rooms and battlefields."
Pentagon spokeswoman Dana White said in Saturday's... (show quote)


Show them the c*******t f**g with the hammer and sickle, they will show their colors.

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Apr 16, 2018 00:23:10   #
son of witless
 
permafrost wrote:
Decades of constant economic sanctions were what ended the USSR. Reagan simply was the president at the time of the collapse..

The rest of your post has been rebutted time and again.. not going to bother today..

Dream as you wish..


That is total Barak Manure. If the Soviet Union had been in a decrepit condition going into Reagan's Presidency in comparison to America maybe, perhaps, possibly you might be .01 % right, but of course that was not the case. Lets us return to those thrilling days of yesteryear, the Reagan Presidency rides again.

Coming out of the 1970s I would argue that the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was in a relatively better condition economically and most certainly militarily than the United States of America.

The United States militarily had not fully recovered from the strains of the Vietnam War. Our military had been worn down from those years. Take in also the fact that Jimmy Carter had starved the Military to deal with the budgetary strains and rampant inflation of his later years. Oil production in the US had not kept up with demand and you had the energy crisis. Economically and therefore militarily the US was in decline. Other countries could take advantage of our relative weaknesses, which of course Iran did with the hostage crisis.

So going into the 80s America was not very impressive. Culturally we had the 60s rot from the hippie generation who were just beginning to claw their way into the power structures of America. All of those anti war radicals like Hillary Clinton. Fresh from their intoxicating anti Nixon days these cultural parasites were a d**g on the morale of America. So we have established the pathetic condition of America that Ronald Reagan inherited from Mr. Peanut.

What of the USSR ? They had rot of their own that set in during the late 1960s. Their command and control economy which had worked so well during the great patriotic war with Hitler was sputtering. The military was consuming too much of GDP. Where in the West the spoils of the economy went to evil capitalists, in the Soviet Union it went strictly to party leaders. Unlike in the West there was no middle class, and unlike the Western capitalists who have incentives to invest in economically valuable assets, Soviet party leaders had no incentives and little knowledge of how to allocate resources efficiently. Political loyalty and not economic success was what they were paid for.

These problems in the Soviet economy were worrisome long term but not especially acute through the 1970s. The Soviet Union was able to deal with the strains without cutting military spending or it's foreign adventurism. In the mid 70s Brezhnev attempted to control the increase in military spending with arms treaties with the West. In the late 1970s things began to worsen. The Soviet adventure in Afghanistan started and began to strain the economy, not just because of the military commitment, but by Western trade retaliations for it.

I concede that the Reagan Presidency began during a shift in the fortunes of the Soviet Empire, but I do not agree that it was inevitable that the Empire would begin it's collapse during his term in office. Soviet leadership had the problem of cutting it's military spending in order to reform and incentivize it's economy just as Reagan came in. The problem was two fold. Their military was part of their political control so cutting back there jeopardized the C*******t hold on power. Also the military was entrenched and would resist any spending cutbacks.

I contend that the Soviets would have survived all of these strains on their system if not for the leadership of Reagan, Thatcher, and Pope John Paul II. They stood up to the Soviets. They opposed them in Afghanistan by giving aid to the Mujahedin. They encouraged dissidents in Russia and it's Warsaw Pact s***e states. Reagan's increase in military spending forced even more military spending by the Soviet Union at a time when their only long term hope for survival was to decrease it.

Part of the problem with the USSR was it's aged political leadership which was not up to the new challenges of dealing with the changing world and Reagan. They were old men who could not change and they kept dying. Gorbachev was a new young leader who tried to reform the system and actually he and Reagan trusted one another not to blow up the world. By the time Gorbachev came along it was too late for the half measures he tried to implement. After 70 or so years of oppression the Soviet citizens were not going to give him the time to reform his collapsing economic model and he was too much of a C*******t to totally scrap it.

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