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Apr 15, 2018 11:48:43   #
Gatsby
 
You are absolutely correct eagleye! Thanks for the reminder.

I should have said "ask former Service Members", who served there under Obama's administration?

I guess that I didn't even consider that anyone Currently Serving there would be against the CIC's actions.

eagleye13 wrote:
Good point;
BUT; those active in the service, are not allowed to speak on the record against the Commander in Chief.
Especially the grunts.

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Apr 15, 2018 12:15:01   #
silvereagle
 
Hell yes he needed to bomb Syria.Our hnic we had for 8 years was the world's biggest pussy

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Apr 15, 2018 14:33:06   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
rumitoid wrote:
There is no easy divide on the responses from the Left and Right on this action by the president. I commend the action, though I feel in should have gone to Congress for approval, which it seems he would have gotten. Unilateral decisions by a president to bomb countries that have neither attacked our nation or appear to pose a plausible threat is a highly dangerous policy, especially in this instance with the warnings of retaliation from a major nuclear power, Russia. Yet I believe, still believe, that America stands as the watchdog for justice and freedom in the world, and the America first notion betrays our principles.

But the alt-right--Laura Ingram, Infowars, and others--attacked Trump for betraying what seemed to be his fundamental promise to the nation. MAGA was not to involve bleeding our country and our resources and our youth in squabbles around the globe which were not serving our best interests.

What do you think?
There is no easy divide on the responses from the ... (show quote)


US Bombs Syria To Cover Up Lack Of Evidence On Chem Attacks, Discredits Own Claims By Doing So
https://activistpost.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=3ac8bebe085f73ea3503bbda3&id=50fcde48eb&e=2d5b44f01d
By Brandon Turbeville
After yet another example of brazen Western aggression against Syria, the United States, UK, and France are once again demonstrating to the world who exactly is the biggest threat to world peace. The entire March 14 assault on Syria by the three powers has been justified by the West as a reaction to an alleged chemical weapons attack that allegedly took place in Douma weeks ago.
The word “allegedly” is incredibly important here because not only is it merely alleged that the Syrian military conducted a chemical weapons attack, it is also merely alleged that the attack even took place. More on that in a minute.
But during the debate about the chemical weapons attack – who conducted it and if it happened at all – the West has claimed to be one hundred percent sure with no doubt whatsoever that the Syrian military personally directed by Bashar al-Assad used chemical weapons against civilians in a battle it was fighting and winning against terrorists at precisely the worst possible opportunity to do so. This is despite virtually all of the evidence to the contrary...

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Apr 15, 2018 20:34:14   #
rumitoid
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Thanks for asking, rumitoid!
Trump has allowed the CFR "consultants" to get him to go against what he ran on. VERY disappointing; but he did save this Republic from total decimation.

I am a Conservative/Populist; but I am not a NeoCON
Trump bombed Syria for atrocities? 11 dead was the last count? (no photos yet)
What about these atrocities going on for years?
(BTW; many videos showing the victims have been removed from You Tube)
Phosphorous on Gaza by Israel
Israel creates hell on earth for Palestinians "White Phosphorus"
https://youtu.be/s0igorvoBFs
White phosphorus On Gaza Jan 13 2009
https://youtu.be/e0AZY7_b9UU
Gaza 12:00 - 1:00 am Jan 14th 09 part 2
https://youtu.be/WKPwYWwED2I
Israel accused of using phosphorus shells
https://youtu.be/ynY-My59iV0
Israeli army 'using white phosphorus' - 12 Jan 08
https://youtu.be/MKgph9PV3SA
US admit using white phosphorus munitions in Iraq (Warning: Disturbing images)
https://youtu.be/rO4C-i6RQ-0

BTW; The US has been aiding and abetting the ISIS terrorist mercenaries going against Assad in the Syrian conflict.
Thanks for asking, rumitoid! br Trump has allowed ... (show quote)


Ow. All very disturbing. I am not a person to blindly back Israel, not the contrary but close. Vital American interest in the Middle East, plus the Evangelical support that makes up most of Trump's base. Such egregious acts you showed will probably never be addressed. At great personal risk, I will mention this to my highly conservative, evangelical church. And post the "youtu" sites mentioned where needed. Thank you.

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Apr 15, 2018 22:11:56   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
rumitoid wrote:
Ow. All very disturbing. I am not a person to blindly back Israel, not the contrary but close. Vital American interest in the Middle East, plus the Evangelical support that makes up most of Trump's base. Such egregious acts you showed will probably never be addressed. At great personal risk, I will mention this to my highly conservative, evangelical church. And post the "youtu" sites mentioned where needed. Thank you.


To few Americans question what the MSM gives as news.
The lying is just so common.

Debunking 10 Lies About Syria and Assad
Posted on April 15, 2018 by Chris Kanthan
Researched by Pastor Gary K. Boyd

When I wrote the article about the “Most Dangerous Decade” two weeks ago, I didn’t realize that my time frame was too optimistic. What’s happening now in Syria has the potential to start WW III – numerous American, British and French aircraft carriers, submarines and fighter jets have converged just off the Syrian coast, while Russian warships and planes are scrambling to defend and retaliate.

Although Americans are starting to wake up, many people are still caught up in the mainstream narrative regarding the Syrian war. I have written a book and many articles on this topic, but perhaps what the average person needs is a really short article that highlights the t***h and debunks the common lies about Syria, Assad and the war.

Assad’s Terrible Regime Caused the Civil War
Nope. Fact is that, starting in 2011, tens of thousands of foreigners – Al Qaeda and other jihadists – were sent into Syria to o*******w Assad. The US and its allies – Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey and Jordan – assisted in buying and t***sporting weapons to the “insurgents.” Special forces from the US, UK, France and Israel also spent billions of dollars arming and training the terrorists, a.k.a “moderate rebels.” What’s happening in Syria is not a civil war – it’s a proxy war.
Assad K**ls his Own People
Assad has been fighting the Islamic terrorists for seven years. It’s cynical and Orwellian for the West to shed crocodile tears for the Syrians and blame Assad for this brutal war.

While the presstitutes make it look like Assad is fighting women and children, fact is that the rebels have highly sophisticated weapons – million-dollar tanks, US-made anti-tank missiles that cost $250,000, etc.

Assad Oppresses Minorities
Assad protects Christians and other minorities. There’s no Sharia Law in Syria, and religious minorities have full freedom. The only group that’s “oppressed” in Syria is the violent Muslim Brotherhood, which has been banned for many decades. The Syrian opposition consists of Sunni extremists who have been persecuting and k*****g Shiites and Christians for the last seven years.
Syrians H**e Assad
The mainstream media will never show how popular Assad is. War propaganda’s #1 rule is to completely demonize the enemy.

In the CNN and Zogby polls conducted in 2009 and 2010, Assad was ranked as the most popular Arab leader. In the first 10 years of Assad’s government (2000 – 2010), Syria’s GDP tripled and the country was safe and peaceful.
Syria is a Jihadist Country

Less than 5% of the country are violent extremists motivated by Salafist/Wahhabi sectarianism. Syria has always been a secular, moderate country.

USA Supports the Good Guys
As a Pentagon memo warned even back in 2012, the US has been supporting the bad and evil guys – Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda and ISIS. That’s the difficult t***h that most Americans cannot accept. Calling them “moderate rebels” is just Orwellian doublespeak to sell the disastrous policy to the American public. What we did in Syria was basically what we did with the Mujahideen in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

USA/UK Got Involved Only Because of Atrocities
G*******ts and colonialists have been trying to o*******w secular Syrian governments since the late 1940s. From the 1950s thru the 1980s, the US and the UK tried to use Muslim Brotherhood for their subversive plots. In the 1990s, the Neocons made it clear that Syria had to be defeated.
In 2007, the Bush administration started funding the Muslim Brotherhood again. In 2009, the UK started a satellite TV station to broadcast anti-Assad propaganda.

In 2011, the US and its allies funded and armed the opposition to start the f**e “revolution.” When it failed, they brought in Al Qaeda, created ISIS, and spent billions of dollars on this psychotic project.
White Helmets are Awesome
The US/UK governments have given more than $100 million to the White Helmets, who are conniving jihadists in uniforms. They are armed and only operate in rebel-controlled areas. They participate in extrajudicial executions and possibly in organ trafficking. The fact that they won an Oscar just goes to reveal the unfathomable levels of deception in the New World Order.

Monster Assad Used Chemical Weapons
Is it really hard to believe that jihadists would k**l people and children in order to frame Assad? Syrian rebels put children in cages and use them as human shields; the rebels have bombed buses full of children simply because the kids were Shiite Muslims; and the “moderate rebels” use even their own daughters and sons – some as young as nine years old – as suicide bombers. Yet, we are supposed to trust the pictures, videos and the false f**g narratives that these head-chopping barbarians feed us?
There has never been a single proven case of Assad using chemical weapons. No, you can’t determine anything from videos and pictures – we don’t know when and where they were taken; and you certainly can’t determine how the people died. Biological samples sent to the CIA by Al Qaeda should be ignored as well. Proper due process involves independent weapons experts going to the alleged sites, specialists performing autopsies and so on.

The UN has confirmed that ISIS and Al Qaeda in Syria have used chemical weapons more than 100 times. The most hypocritical aspect of this whole drama is that, after the fall of Gaddafi, the US t***sferred Libya’s chemical weapons (sarin, mustard gas and others) to the Syrian rebels.
If Assad Loses, There Will be Peace in Syria
If Assad goes away, the tiny country of Syria will be broken up into ethnic regions; millions of Christians and Shiites will be persecuted, k**led or driven from their homes; ISIS and Al Qaeda will rule the Sunni region; and the bigger, deadlier conflict – Iran War – will begin shortly. America will spend a few trillion dollars, millions of people will be k**led, and Europe will be flooded with more refugees. In other words, it will be a wet dream for Neocons, Israel, g*******ts and the military-industrial complex.

This is, of course, a quick summary. You can find more details in my book, ‘Deconstructing the Syrian War’ which also delves into history, geopolitics, Islamic terrorism, war propaganda and the bigger picture about the struggle for global hegemony. If Americans and Europeans don’t understand the true motives and facts about the Syrian war, they will be lead into calamitous military adventures and destructive global wars in the near future.

Conclusion
Historians in the future may view the Syrian war as the g*******ts’ Waterloo that heralded a multi-polar world. However, the significance of this war is not widely appreciated, because the mainstream narrative has been an embarrassing mix of propaganda, half-t***hs and lies.

The Syrian war is harrowing, fascinating and deceptive. The wanton destruction of a nation was heartbreaking. Millions of people lost their homes and became refugees; and a stable, secular nation got engulfed in violent, sectarian conflicts.

The war is also fascinating because it offers profound insights into history, geopolitics, competition over oil/gas pipelines, Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism. It is also undoubtedly the most consequential war in decades, and has resulted in tectonic shifts in global alliances.

Finally, the conflict was a ruthless and an illegal proxy war that was sold to the world as a civil war. The conspirators in the proxy war included Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, Israel, USA and more. America’s efforts also included the largest CIA operation since the Mujahideen project in the 1980's. Sadly, journalism failed miserably in the last six years, as corporate media morphed into an Orwellian tool for disinformation.

Syria’s civilization spans 10,000 years, which include triumphant empires and calamitous invasions. It’s likely that Syria will recover from this war, only to be stronger and more prosperous than before.

This book is backed by exhaustive research and analysis. Inside the book, you will find 200 photos, dozens of links to slideshows and videos, and 450 links to articles that will help you truly comprehend the war and the numerous related topics. By also connecting the dots to various events – historical and current – this book will help the reader see the bigger picture and discern the patterns in global events. For example, the crises in Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Philippines and even Myanmar all have the same underpinning geopolitical playbook. This book also has startling revelations and conclusions about geopolitics and ISIS that will help the reader understand world affairs through a unique prism.
To know the Syrian war, is to know how the world works!

Chris Kanthan is the author of a new book, Deconstructing the Syrian War. Chris lives in the San Francisco Bay Area, has traveled to 35 countries, and writes about world affairs, politics, economy and health. His other book is Deconstructing Monsanto. Follow him on Twitter: @GMOChannel

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Apr 15, 2018 23:41:47   #
robert wordell
 
I believe that standing together with
Great Britain and France, our NATO allies our Preident showed maturity and the ability to abandon his backers America is exceptional rhetoric and posturing for a righous stanch with our allies and not the me firstism that I loath

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Apr 16, 2018 10:41:43   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
robert wordell wrote:
I believe that standing together with
Great Britain and France, our NATO allies our Preident showed maturity and the ability to abandon his backers America is exceptional rhetoric and posturing for a righous stanch with our allies and not the me firstism that I loath


Welcome aboard Robert.

You may get some educating here on OPP. Please stick around.

Assad Destroys US Reporter In Interview Exposes Z*****t Propaganda
https://youtu.be/_HLjC53emUM
In a recent interview held in Damascus, a US news reporter grilled Syria's President Bashar al-Assad with a barrage of questions surrounding allegations of human rights abuses and war crimes against the Syrian government, in a tense interview that at times saw Assad seemingly catch the Yahoo News reporter off guard with his sharp responses. Source: Syrian Arab News Agency Date: 10 February, 2017 Transcript for video can be found here: https://youtu.be/_HLjC53emUM

ISIS in Libya | IN 60 SECONDS
https://youtu.be/2OGvq5-unxw

New ISIS video shows execution of 21 Christians Feb 15, 2015
https://youtu.be/eX172j6U_KI

Is ISIS in control of affiliates in Libya and Syria?
https://youtu.be/USjuS8tGNbA

Sharia Showdown
thtps://youtu.be/fOABjtNMYXQ

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Apr 16, 2018 10:47:12   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
bahmer wrote:
Since neither you nor I are on the ground over there I have to go with what I read and that is that they only bombed the chemical plants and destroyed them and this was not aimed at Russia nor was aimed at Syria as a whole but strickley the chemical weapons plants themselves. So in that sense he was correct to go ahead. Besides with the present congress and senate the can't even agree on what time it is let alone anything else.


Agreed, and it was measured taking into account our lack of evidence as to who did it. Bottom line is that it happened and Assad has facilities for manufacturing chemical weapons.

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Apr 16, 2018 11:10:00   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Agreed, and it was measured taking into account our lack of evidence as to who did it. Bottom line is that it happened and Assad has facilities for manufacturing chemical weapons.


Who here has followed what has gone on in Libya since The US took out Gadafi?
The MSM sure isn't.

ISIS in Libya | IN 60 SECONDS
https://youtu.be/2OGvq5-unxw

How can any informed person want these results in Syria also.
Our foreign policy is still run by those that had us go into Libya.
The definition of insanity;
Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results.
Out Foreign Policy has been insane, unless the results are what the perps have been after.
Not good for America though.
The hatred for us just keeps escalating.

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Apr 17, 2018 15:25:57   #
Marsinah
 
rumitoid wrote:
There is no easy divide on the responses from the Left and Right on this action by the president. I commend the action, though I feel in should have gone to Congress for approval, which it seems he would have gotten. Unilateral decisions by a president to bomb countries that have neither attacked our nation or appear to pose a plausible threat is a highly dangerous policy, especially in this instance with the warnings of retaliation from a major nuclear power, Russia. Yet I believe, still believe, that America stands as the watchdog for justice and freedom in the world, and the America first notion betrays our principles.

But the alt-right--Laura Ingram, Infowars, and others--attacked Trump for betraying what seemed to be his fundamental promise to the nation. MAGA was not to involve bleeding our country and our resources and our youth in squabbles around the globe which were not serving our best interests.

What do you think?
There is no easy divide on the responses from the ... (show quote)


I think you're sick.

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Apr 17, 2018 19:10:58   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
rumitoid wrote:
There is no easy divide on the responses from the Left and Right on this action by the president. I commend the action, though I feel in should have gone to Congress for approval, which it seems he would have gotten. Unilateral decisions by a president to bomb countries that have neither attacked our nation or appear to pose a plausible threat is a highly dangerous policy, especially in this instance with the warnings of retaliation from a major nuclear power, Russia. Yet I believe, still believe, that America stands as the watchdog for justice and freedom in the world, and the America first notion betrays our principles.

But the alt-right--Laura Ingram, Infowars, and others--attacked Trump for betraying what seemed to be his fundamental promise to the nation. MAGA was not to involve bleeding our country and our resources and our youth in squabbles around the globe which were not serving our best interests.

What do you think?
There is no easy divide on the responses from the ... (show quote)


False F**gs are just too succesful. Trump should gave gathered more evidence from neutral parties.

Wesley Clark Told The T***h
https://youtu.be/LAFHOHIiFZA
The Covert Origins of ISIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjXbuj7BPI&feature=player_detailpage

The Syrian War What You're Not Being Told
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkamZg68jpk

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Apr 17, 2018 19:47:46   #
maryla
 
https://www.heritage.org/middle-east/commentary/trumps-tomahawk-diplomacy-syria?utm_source=THF_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=TheAgenda&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTXpWbU5XWmhZbVE0WWpOaSIsInQiOiJVYXVjakszbmdPbDlGb0lpenhmdUd0Y244Z1hOMUJTeFlDaThidFVaT1VGM0RFS3NPV3RxcUlQSTlDM0Mzd2pOZ01lNUFDNVBvbjFlVlVkY01nMkplUm5acFpjQnlOaStpOTljR2p6NkFnXC80V3lKbUxwUjhLUEQwZTZvalZPNXUifQ%3D%3D This guy seems to disagree. He says:"The strike, of course, is not strategy, but it suggests the elements of one. As horrific and as unacceptable as the use of chemical weapons is, and as odious as Assad’s regime remains, the U.S. would not be using coercive force if there were not interests worthy to protect.

The ends of America’s strategy are clear. We can’t tolerate a return of the Caliph**e. We can’t watch while Iran presses a dagger at Israel’s heart, risking a regional war. We don’t want the problems of Syria to bleed over and destabilize Iraq and Jordan. We don’t masses of refugees on the road again.

Now the challenge for the Trump administration is to t***sition to a regional footprint that achieves those ends in a sustained manner over time. The strike should help give the U.S. the time and space to put that presence in place."

Although the move appeared ill-thought, maybe it was not!!










eagleye13 wrote:
False F**gs are just too succesful. Trump should gave gathered more evidence from neutral parties.

Wesley Clark Told The T***h
https://youtu.be/LAFHOHIiFZA
The Covert Origins of ISIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjXbuj7BPI&feature=player_detailpage

The Syrian War What You're Not Being Told
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkamZg68jpk

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Apr 18, 2018 09:05:26   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
maryla wrote:
https://www.heritage.org/middle-east/commentary/trumps-tomahawk-diplomacy-syria?utm_source=THF_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=TheAgenda&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTXpWbU5XWmhZbVE0WWpOaSIsInQiOiJVYXVjakszbmdPbDlGb0lpenhmdUd0Y244Z1hOMUJTeFlDaThidFVaT1VGM0RFS3NPV3RxcUlQSTlDM0Mzd2pOZ01lNUFDNVBvbjFlVlVkY01nMkplUm5acFpjQnlOaStpOTljR2p6NkFnXC80V3lKbUxwUjhLUEQwZTZvalZPNXUifQ%3D%3D This guy seems to disagree. He says:"The strike, of course, is not strategy, but it suggests the elements of one. As horrific and as unacceptable as the use of chemical weapons is, and as odious as Assad’s regime remains, the U.S. would not be using coercive force if there were not interests worthy to protect.

The ends of America’s strategy are clear. We can’t tolerate a return of the Caliph**e. We can’t watch while Iran presses a dagger at Israel’s heart, risking a regional war. We don’t want the problems of Syria to bleed over and destabilize Iraq and Jordan. We don’t masses of refugees on the road again.

Now the challenge for the Trump administration is to t***sition to a regional footprint that achieves those ends in a sustained manner over time. The strike should help give the U.S. the time and space to put that presence in place."

Although the move appeared ill-thought, maybe it was not!!
https://www.heritage.org/middle-east/commentary/tr... (show quote)


"Although the move appeared ill-thought, maybe it was not!!" - maryla
There are those that want the USA constantly embroiled in the Middle East and North Africa.
Who would that be?

Wesley Clark Told The T***h
https://youtu.be/LAFHOHIiFZA
The Covert Origins of ISIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjXbuj7BPI&feature=player_detailpage

The Syrian War What You're Not Being Told
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkamZg68jpk

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Apr 18, 2018 20:29:58   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
rumitoid wrote:
There is no easy divide on the responses from the Left and Right on this action by the president. I commend the action, though I feel in should have gone to Congress for approval, which it seems he would have gotten. Unilateral decisions by a president to bomb countries that have neither attacked our nation or appear to pose a plausible threat is a highly dangerous policy, especially in this instance with the warnings of retaliation from a major nuclear power, Russia. Yet I believe, still believe, that America stands as the watchdog for justice and freedom in the world, and the America first notion betrays our principles.

But the alt-right--Laura Ingram, Infowars, and others--attacked Trump for betraying what seemed to be his fundamental promise to the nation. MAGA was not to involve bleeding our country and our resources and our youth in squabbles around the globe which were not serving our best interests.

What do you think?
There is no easy divide on the responses from the ... (show quote)


Tucker: Why is Washington united behind a war in Syria?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-yba3R6IBY

Tucker: Why are questions avoided about US in Syria?
https://youtu.be/OpuHZLrQzRg

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Apr 18, 2018 22:22:57   #
rumitoid
 
BigMike wrote:
It takes time to sift through all the blather. Who knows who attacked who with what when where why how? All I know is I've told you WWIII starts there...looks like I'm going to be right.


It starts in Turkey. A minor thing. Russia over-reacts to the perceived threat and launches some missiles. American bombers mistakenly attack Russian positions. China steams into Taiwan with seven aircraft carriers and support vessels. Taiwan musters its navy in defense. North Korean border patrol shoots at a fleeing NK soldier and k**ls a SK. A wild firefight ensues and America attacks the North Korean capital.

That is as far as I can see.

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