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Apr 19, 2018 09:43:54   #
Morgan
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
HI Morgan, hope all is well with you.

I do believe we become to different degrees bias and short term memory for our party. We could go back and forth all day on which politicians lie the most, let's not and say we did.
I'm really growing tired of all politicians. I believe in a platform, unfortunately politicians don't anymore.
Just for curiosity I did a quick search on Hillary lying. She did have some whoppers.
To hear Hillary Clinton tell it, she was named for Sir Edmund Hillary, the conqueror of Mount Everest — even though she was already 6 years old when he made his famous ascent.

On a visit to war-torn Bosnia in 1996, she claimed she and her entourage landed under sniper fire and had to run “with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base” — although videos of her arrival show her waltzing serenely across the tarmac, waving to the crowd.

She blamed the 2012 attack on American diplomatic and intelligence-gathering installations in B******i on “a d********g video” when she knew almost from the first moment that it was a jihadist assault that took the lives of four Americans, including the ambassador to Libya.


No wonder the late William Safire, writing in The New York Times in 1996, at the height of the Whitewater investigation, called her a “cong*****l liar.” Said Safire: “She is in the longtime habit of lying; and she has never been called to account for lying herself or in suborning lying in her aides and friends.”


Reuters
Baron Munchausen has nothing on Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Now comes the recycling this month of another Clinton tall tale: that shortly before her 1975 marriage to Bill Clinton, she decided in a fit of patriotic fervor and dedication to “public service” to stroll into a recruiter’s office in Arkansas and join the Marine Corps.

It’s an anecdote she trots out to charm military audiences, whether it’s a group on Capitol Hill in 1994, or, most recently, to veterans in Derry, NH.


“He looks at me and goes, ‘Um, how old are you,’ ” Clinton recalled at the New Hampshire event on Nov. 10. “I said, ‘Well, I’m 26. I will be 27.’ And he goes, ‘Well, that is kind of old for us.’ And then he says to me, and this is what gets me, ‘Maybe the dogs will take you,’ meaning the Army,” she added.

Yeah, right. Never mind that the term is “dogface,” used to refer to the Army infantry. And never mind as well that, given the tenor of the times, the Marines or any other service would have taken young Ms. Rodham in a heartbeat, especially given their need for lawyers.

Like so many carefully parsed Clintonian statements, Hillary’s Leatherneck fantasy is either unverifiable or dependent upon how it’s phrased. When confronted with the obvious discrepancy in her “Edmund Hillary” story, she characteristically shifted the blame to her mother, Dorothy, saying the fable was something her mother told her.



Reuters
But let’s assume for a moment that, unlike Clinton’s other whoppers, this story is actually, in some sense, true.

What are the odds that, in the immediate aftermath of Vietnam, the anti-war Wellesley graduate, who’d written her college senior thesis on “community organizer” Saul Alinsky, had a snazzy Yale Law degree, and who was already envisioning a career in state and national politics alongside Bill (then a candidate for Arkansas attorney general), would do such a thing — and actually mean it?

I’m betting zero.

A far more likely explanation is that Hillary entered the Marine recruiting office — if she did — not out of any desire to “serve her country,” but as an agent provocateur, determined to show that the Marines were a bunch of bigoted sexist, ageist pigs in order to fuel her sense of outrage.


This explanation is given credence by one of Hillary’s Fayetteville, Ark., friends at the time, Ann Henry, who said that Hillary was interested in probing the way the military treated women candidates. “I can remember discussing it, but I cannot give you the details of when and what was said,” Henry told a reporter. “Hillary would go and do things just to test it out, and I can totally see her doing that just to see what the reaction was.”

Given the mood of the time, and the vituperative nastiness of the left regarding all things military, it would have been just like the self-aggrandizing Hillary Rodham to try and manufacture a controversy where there was none, to make herself look good
HI Morgan, hope all is well with you. br br I do... (show quote)


I'm sorry but I'm not here to defend Hillary, I was never a follower of hers, but it appears you're pulling at straws here on her, in some kind of an attempt to make Trump not look so bad. As far as her heritage, almost everyone's is sketchy and many things have been passed on by mouth. I was always told I had French blood directly from my grandfather from the clan and town of Duke De Guise, my daughter gave me a DNA kit as a gift, to my bewilderment no French bloodline according to Ancestry, but I had mentioned my whole life that that was part of my bloodline, my point...was I a liar or just misinformed? I'm still trying to figure this out but all the people connected for info are deceased, but my grandfather name was Guise, personally, I think it's funny and really doesn't mean much.

I can see this in the case of Hillary and also Elizabeth Warren, why do we even talk about this meaningless stuff? I once watched something that showed almost everyone in the oval office was somehow connected by DNA, LOL.

Hillary is behind us, I'm all for the here and now, and that is Trump. I'm sorry I do not like him and mostly due to his constant lying, I was taught you can never trust a liar and as Comey said he doen't believe Trump has the ethical morals to be president and I do agee with that.

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Apr 19, 2018 09:55:13   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
There is no fundamental difference in the left wing or right wing of the self-serving DC chicken. The fundamental difference lies in which wing's lies the sheople choose to believe.

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Apr 19, 2018 10:26:15   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Morgan wrote:
There isn't much I can say to anyone who says Trump is Honest and t***hful, when he's been proven to lie live on TV for all to hear, that's not only a liar, that's an i***t. For you to say what you just did makes me wonder about your mental capacity?

Trump kicks ass? He's a paper Tiger, ever hear the story of the boy who cried wolf, that is your Trumpet right there. Trump doesn't kick ass, he is an ass and a humiliation to this country. He has no morals and people who align themselves with him are of the same lacking moral caliber.

Yes, he speaks his mind and I've along with millions have listened to his incoherent ramblings to the point where everyone stares bewildered saying to themselves...WTF?

No ulterior motive, you kidding right?

We're presently living the biggest h**x in history.

You move to another country, people as yourself is the very reason we have this subversive t*****r sitting in the Whitehouse. You think he's cleaning the swamp...he is the swamp, the King toad.

With that said he may be the very tool to make some needed changes to happen, but probably not the way you're thinking.
There isn't much I can say to anyone who says Trum... (show quote)



I don't have to move to another country. For the first time in my senior life I am proud of my country. Obama started the fundamental t***sformation and Hilliar, getting caught with treason, was forced then to continue the toppling of America or face jail. The c**p occurred, with Comey and Company setting the stage for a Hilliar presidency.
But she lost.
I honestly enjoy Trump and his humor and blunt honesty and, most of all, I love how tortured the sanctimonious lefties become over every Trump tweet and speech.
Imoral?
The sex life of obama never gets mentioned.
Obama the gay Muslim Marxist rides the biggest lie support system ever created.
If gay is so respected now, why doesn't obama come out and admit it? It would be the first honest thing that the sunnavab***h has ever done. And he could keep his doctor.

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Apr 19, 2018 16:10:20   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
Manning345 wrote:
Certainly belief in their superiority can lead to many of the tenants of L*****t ideology, but then on the Conservative side, we have many that profess the very same kind of belief in the superiority of the tenants of our ideology too.
Perhaps there is yet another fundamental factor that guides the Left in their direction.

I am tempted to accuse them of over-righteousness in their flakey belief system or systems, despite, or even because of their ignoring Christianity or religion in general, and in addition to their intimations of superiority. Righteousness breeds the idea of superiority; so both ideas are on track, I believe. Typically, the L*****ts I have encountered exhibit the verbal verbosity that Sowell accuses them of, which speaks to two other factors: intelligence, and insecurity in their beliefs, which would demand righteousness to cover up their insecurity. Their total belief system, their worldview, is quite a bit more complicated than merely over-righteous superiority as you can see from the following:



The Liberal Manifesto
Paraphrased from "The Liberal Mind"--psychiatrist L. H. Rossiter, Jr, MD
www.libertymind.com, (a synopsis and sales pitch for the book)

1. We are all children of a parental government...
2. Self-reliance and the role of individual responsibility should be diminished in this society in favor of collective caretaking administered by the state.
3. The individual cannot exist without the state.
4. Because most citizens are not competent to run their own lives, they need government guidance to do what is good for them.
5. Collectivism is the proper political philosophy for an ordered society.
6. A good life is a government entitlement owed to each citizen regardless of the nature and quality of his acts and their usefulness to others.
7. In respect to economic and social situations, prior binding contracts or agreements based on tradition may be invalidated by the authority of the government.
8. A large government regulatory apparatus is needed to exercise control over the citizenry and to ensure that social justice is assured.
9. Massive welfare programs that are administered by the state at taxpayer expense are necessary to meet the needs of the disadvantaged.
10. Men should not be held responsible for their bad actions, but rather such actions should be viewed as the collective fault of the society.
11. Traditional ideas about the separateness and sovereignty of the individual are invalid.
12. Material subsidies are to be paid to persons designated by the state based on need, suffering, or ine******y, not on merit or desert.
13. Human nature is highly malleable.
14. Descriptions of how to act and how not to act should not be based on the distilled ethical and moral wisdom of the centuries, but through canons of political correctness or evolved through the creation of alternative lifestyles in a spirit of cultural correctness.
15. Established traditions of decency, courtesy, and sexual repression are unduly restrictive and should be rejected because they support class distinctions that oppose the liberal ideal of social e******y. Pornography is good.
16. Rules governing human interactions that have evolved over centuries deserve no respect. Traditional Judeo-Christian moral and ethical codes such as the Golden Rule must be rewritten to reflect modern ideals of moral relativity and multicultural correctness.
17. E******y before the law is a fiction.
18. An individual who commits a bad act should not be held personally responsible for what he does even if he does it with malicious intent.
19. US foreign policy makers should assume the American imperialism and capitalist exploitation have been major factors in provoking aggressive acts by other nations and by religious or ethnic groups.
20. It is the duty of the state to determine which groups or classes of persons suffer from deficits in material security and in social and political status and to cure these deficits through government action.
21. Time-honored conceptions of justice as reflected in common sense, ethical philosophy, judicial practice and the history of political thought are invalid.
22. Traditional ideal of self-determination, self-responsibility and self-reliance are invalid.
23. Economic activity should be carefully controlled by the government.
24. An adult citizen's time, work effort and ability must be largely apportioned to the state.
25. The primary purpose of politics is the creation of an ideal collective society run by a liberal elite committed to a just redistribution of economic, social and political goods.
26. The traditional social institutions of marriage and family are not very important and should yield to progressive alternative lifestyles that emphasize the satisfaction of sexual and relational needs.
Certainly belief in their superiority can lead to ... (show quote)


I don't agree completely with Mr. Rossiter regarding crime. While often it seems as though l*****ts want to shift blame from the criminal to society, IMO that is just an excuse. In reality, l*****ts see nothing wrong with theft. In fact, their entire worldview is predicated on theft. Therefore, unless the thief stole from them (now THAT'S a crime) they see the theft as the perp taking what rightfully belongs to him/her. So they make up stupid excuses about society causing crime in order to minimize the penalty.

Same with murder. Again, unless the victim is a l*****t, murder to them is a good way to reduce atmospheric carbon. Remember, according to l*****t environmentalists, about 7 billion people need to die to save the planet. If they ever get single-payer instituted here, that will provide a good start. Not as good as banning pesticides, herbicides and GMO foods, but a good start nonetheless.

Now, when it comes to enforcing laws or rules against what l*****ts consider REAL crimes, like refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding, they advocate for the total destruction of those 'criminals', as well as their entire families. L*****ts are quite brutal about enforcing their 'love and tolerance'.

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Apr 19, 2018 17:48:24   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Morgan wrote:
I'm sorry but I'm not here to defend Hillary, I was never a follower of hers, but it appears you're pulling at straws here on her, in some kind of an attempt to make Trump not look so bad. As far as her heritage, almost everyone's is sketchy and many things have been passed on by mouth. I was always told I had French blood directly from my grandfather from the clan and town of Duke De Guise, my daughter gave me a DNA kit as a gift, to my bewilderment no French bloodline according to Ancestry, but I had mentioned my whole life that that was part of my bloodline, my point...was I a liar or just misinformed? I'm still trying to figure this out but all the people connected for info are deceased, but my grandfather name was Guise, personally, I think it's funny and really doesn't mean much.

I can see this in the case of Hillary and also Elizabeth Warren, why do we even talk about this meaningless stuff? I once watched something that showed almost everyone in the oval office was somehow connected by DNA, LOL.

Hillary is behind us, I'm all for the here and now, and that is Trump. I'm sorry I do not like him and mostly due to his constant lying, I was taught you can never trust a liar and as Comey said he doen't believe Trump has the ethical morals to be president and I do agee with that.
I'm sorry but I'm not here to defend Hillary, I wa... (show quote)



Morgan, finally the warm weather trend has arrived here, very few Grey sky's or rain in the months to come, in going to enjoy it as much as possible before I move farther North.

I wasn't using the weak minded logic that runs rampant by so many on this forum.
A neighbor throws a rock through a window of his next door neighbor. The police come to his house and he says "but look at my broken window, he threw a rock first and broke my window.

Which one is less guilty?

We see constantly" he lies " with the common reply" but he/she lied"

I only did a quick cut and paste of Hillary lying to express a point, but I wasn't tit for tat using the weak minded logic we see.

I know for fact we would be hard pressed and likely fail at finding a president, congressman, or Senator that doesn't have multiple bullet points of lies.

While this is a measument of character
How do our leaders measure on actions, accomplishments that are in the best interests of America and or Americans. Then of equal importance, what actions can be measured to negatively affect America and or Americans.
Trump makes himself an easy target. He accomplishes setting the record straight countering f**e news on Twitter, but then looks the fool on another tweet.
I do see good in many of his accomplishments that better America /Americans and see a lot of false media spin attempting to make a positive into a negative and the sheeple eat it up unwilling to have independent thought.
Your actually one of the few having independent thought, which most conservatives on this forum miss.

There are many things to justify Trump and many things that justify criticism, being honest with both is a result of seeking the t***h, which is becoming more and more difficult to find buried under mountains of propaganda.

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Apr 19, 2018 18:32:41   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Ain't nuthin wrong with Trump. They just try to make it seem like something is wrong with Trump. Here we had a stone gay Muslim Marxist in the Whitehouse and the press protected and adored him. Why I'll never know. But a man who loves America, and has accomplished things no modern president has accomplished, and we're supposed to h**e him because the lefties say that we're supposed to h**e him.
Bullmueller.

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Apr 20, 2018 00:19:06   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Not Black Theology, obama had Islam.


Obama attended Wright's church for 20 years, after he had his Muslim indoctrination. It made a wonderful mixture.

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Apr 20, 2018 07:48:37   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Manning345 wrote:
Obama attended Wright's church for 20 years, after he had his Muslim indoctrination. It made a wonderful mixture.


Wright did a lot more for obama than is generally known. He paired obama up with Manchelle to cover obama's gay life.
Better politics.

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Apr 20, 2018 10:53:54   #
JimMe
 
Morgan wrote:
There isn't much I can say to anyone who says Trump is Honest and t***hful, when he's been proven to lie live on TV for all to hear, that's not only a liar, that's an i***t. For you to say what you just did makes me wonder about your mental capacity?

Trump kicks ass? He's a paper Tiger, ever hear the story of the boy who cried wolf, that is your Trumpet right there. Trump doesn't kick ass, he is an ass and a humiliation to this country. He has no morals and people who align themselves with him are of the same lacking moral caliber.

Yes, he speaks his mind and I've along with millions have listened to his incoherent ramblings to the point where everyone stares bewildered saying to themselves...WTF?

No ulterior motive, you kidding right?

We're presently living the biggest h**x in history.

You move to another country, people as yourself is the very reason we have this subversive t*****r sitting in the Whitehouse. You think he's cleaning the swamp...he is the swamp, the King toad.

With that said he may be the very tool to make some needed changes to happen, but probably not the way you're thinking.
There isn't much I can say to anyone who says Trum... (show quote)




T***p w*n because he campaigned to support the USA Coal Industry, he would bring back manufacturing jobs, he would support farmers...
Clinton lost because she campaigned to shut down the USA Coal Industry, she claimed manufacturing jobs could not be created, she ignored farmers...
Pennsylvania and Ohio Coal Workers understood they had to v**e for Trump to feed and clothe their families... Michigan and Wisconsin manufacturing workers understood they had to v**e for Trump to have any hope to have manufacturing jobs return... Wisconsin and Iowa farmers understood that Trump valued their crops and livestock in feeding Our Nation...

So, you can rant about Pres Trump all you like... Your DemLib-Socialist mindset is your biggest problem...

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Apr 20, 2018 12:03:40   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
JimMe wrote:
T***p w*n because he campaigned to support the USA Coal Industry, he would bring back manufacturing jobs, he would support farmers...
Clinton lost because she campaigned to shut down the USA Coal Industry, she claimed manufacturing jobs could not be created, she ignored farmers...
Pennsylvania and Ohio Coal Workers understood they had to v**e for Trump to feed and clothe their families... Michigan and Wisconsin manufacturing workers understood they had to v**e for Trump to have any hope to have manufacturing jobs return... Wisconsin and Iowa farmers understood that Trump valued their crops and livestock in feeding Our Nation...

So, you can rant about Pres Trump all you like... Your DemLib-Socialist mindset is your biggest problem...
T***p w*n because he campaigned to support the USA... (show quote)


The sheople believing the LIES of either wing of the DC corporate chicken is the biggest problem.

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