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Apr 15, 2018 16:40:19   #
Morgan
 
[quote=Mikeyavelli][quote=Morgan]Take a look at who is supporting a one-party government, they're in Congress now...the standing majority. You sound like a true bigot. Tom Perez, a graduate of Harvard Law School, Brown University, John F. Kennedy School of Government. His credentials are fairly impressive.

What about Romney, Cruz, and Rubio on your side?

It's not a food basket for world hunger. It's a republic with a constitution that is very clear and concise.
I don't want to change it.

Mikeyavelli wrote:
America is not a refuge for the world's downtrodden,

I guess you haven't been to the Statue of Liberty?...

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

I see so your a Native Ameican and your family never migrated here, is that correct? Otherwise, you're feeding into the Ayn Rand "I got mine" conception, except it's I got in, now you can go suck a rock, rather hypocritical don't you think?

Trump's unabashed love for America...LMAO

I believe in our constitution all its amendments and the bill of rights but what does this have to do with what we're talking about?

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Apr 15, 2018 16:50:04   #
Morgan
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
woodie: A progressive tax system is evil! It forces the entire Country on the Plantations provided by Governments out of control!


That's truly rich, when considering the Republican new tax plan/health plan

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Apr 15, 2018 16:53:35   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Morgan wrote:
I guess you haven't been to the Statue of Liberty?...

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

I see so your a Native Ameican and your family never migrated here, is that correct? Otherwise, you're feeding into the Ayn Rand "I got mine" conception, except it's I got in, now you can go suck a rock, rather hypocritical don't you think?

Trump's unabashed love for America...LMAO

I believe in our constitution all its amendments and the bill of rights but what does this have to do with what we're talking about?
I guess you haven't been to the Statue of Liberty?... (show quote)


I was born here. Nowhere in our Constitution does it say that America is a refugee camp obligated to support those who wander in or come to this country because of their own s**thole country.
I have no compassion for those who come to America for the free ride.
Your bill of rights suggests that I am obligated to the poor and misplaced. I am not. Charity isn't constitutional law. Charity is a cheap obituary compliment. As a lefty, you would give the shirt off my back. Take my money and give it to whom you consider more worthy.
Bullmueller.
Wanna give your time and money to those who are out to k**l you, go ahead.

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Apr 15, 2018 17:23:34   #
Morgan
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
I was born here. Nowhere in our Constitution does it say that America is a refugee camp obligated to support those who wander in or come to this country because of their own s**thole country.
I have no compassion for those who come to America for the free ride.
Your bill of rights suggests that I am obligated to the poor and misplaced. I am not. Charity isn't constitutional law. Charity is a cheap obituary compliment. As a lefty, you would give the shirt off my back. Take my money and give it to whom you consider more worthy.
Bullmueller.
Wanna give your time and money to those who are out to k**l you, go ahead.
I was born here. Nowhere in our Constitution does ... (show quote)




Ah "a s**thole country", you are a true Trumpet follower.

Our constitution is simply... our laws, it doesn't capsulate our ideology, though the saying on the Statue of Liberty does express a good deal part of it.

We were given that gift out of admiration and respect, now you want to lower America's stature with those judgments of yours?


My Bill of Rights? Puzzling reply? What a crock, I'm sick to death of that whine, "you're taking mine" waa, waa,waa. No~ the difference in left and right, is the left will give you the shirt off their back, and the right CLINGS to theirs while crying mine... mine... mine.

One more thing it's not the shirt off your back it's more like a damn button and if everyone did give a button to help someone trying to get ahead, then we'd all be doing better and the person who was helped will pass it forward. We are only as strong as our weakest link.

All your energy is focused on the exceptions, instead of where the money is really being stolen from, look at white collar welfare.
Where is your heritage from? You avoided that answer.

I have news for you, the people who are enslaving America are not the poor immigrants seeking refuge, as possibly your family members did also. Many do come here and scape and scratch their way up also, but in your bias, you seem to think they don't exist.

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Apr 15, 2018 18:04:12   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Morgan wrote:
Ah "a s**thole country", you are a true Trumpet follower.

Our constitution is simply... our laws, it doesn't capsulate our ideology, though the saying on the Statue of Liberty does express a good deal part of it.

We were given that gift out of admiration and respect, now you want to lower America's stature with those judgments of yours?


My Bill of Rights? Puzzling reply? What a crock, I'm sick to death of that whine, "you're taking mine" waa, waa,waa. No~ the difference in left and right, is the left will give you the shirt off their back, and the right CLINGS to theirs while crying mine... mine... mine.

One more thing it's not the shirt off your back it's more like a damn button and if everyone did give a button to help someone trying to get ahead, then we'd all be doing better and the person who was helped will pass it forward. We are only as strong as our weakest link.

All your energy is focused on the exceptions, instead of where the money is really being stolen from, look at white collar welfare.
Where is your heritage from? You avoided that answer.

I have news for you, the people who are enslaving America are not the poor immigrants seeking refuge, as possibly your family members did also. Many do come here and scape and scratch their way up also, but in your bias, you seem to think they don't exist.
Ah "a s**thole country", you are a true ... (show quote)



The soft and fuzzy give me your tired and poor and Muslims and freeloaders was added later on the statue of liberty, not part of the tribute to freedom and certainly not in our Constitution.
The people who come here today aren't the ones who founded the country or worked to win wars and build the greatest country ever. The new freeloaders keep their own culture, dress habits, and language. They are here to live free all right, and they do. They won't learn English and they want me to accept their s**thole ways. (I wear my ties long now too.) These people are here to topple America, not build it. They h**e us, and you kiss their schumers.
I'm an American. Been one all my life. I'm from the Garden of Eden to answer your origin question. I have an obligation to those whom I choose, not to those I am scolded to oblige.
Trump is cleansing America of the horrible culture creep brought about by welfare ghettos and muslim enclaves and Hispanic freeloaders.
Why is it that some immigrants actually thrive here? Learn the language and contribute? Asians, Indians, and Russians seem to excel here.
Everyone else can move to where they can live off the government. Cuba and Venezuela are perfect leftycountries. Go.
Let us horrible Americans trump it up here. We're happy.

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Apr 15, 2018 19:43:23   #
maryjane
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
I agree with a few of your assessments on a limited degree.

To some degree their are the poor, not mentally ill, not stupid, however have extremely weak social sk**ls, slightly below the average IQ and short of falling into good luck will be lifelong dependant on minimum wage with challenges finding employers eager to hire them. Could be genetics, familual history or a dozen other factors individual or combined.

Then we have a larger percentage with poor social sk**ls, didn't graduate high school, their not stupid instead smart and average or slightly above average IQ, however no motivation, no sense of desire to work their way up the ladder, ignore traits of those that are achievers. They can find employment at lower wage base but with effort.

Then the above, but are flat out lazy. Seek ways to beat the system in a full effort to avoid a forty hour work week, subject to authority and being submissive to employers is not in their plans.

To the lest degree are the mentally slow, unable to maintain and secure full employment.

I may have missed a few, for sure am not using all the proper terminology.
I'm basing the above on conversations with my wife while she was doing her psychology studies for her PHD, she was doing a paper on this very subject, it also included bias and r****m, as well as ways social programs of the state and Federal government continues many generational patterns found mostly in Black's and Native Americans. Our government programs are not designed to assist bringing many if our minority groups out if their third world challenges, instead they accomplish holding them down.

Our system is broken. It does not have a workable "hand up" program, instead it's a handout program.

Oregon state had a extremely successful hand up program. It didn't penalize housing, food stamps, or monthly cash for a person trying to enter the work force, and was thoughtfully tiered giving a person more income, based on time / income increases while maintaining benefits. They also included training for resumes, interviewing sk**ls, job search and placement assistance.

The outcome was that many began working plus receiving benefits. They had more money to live on, spending and the state was able to reduce the amount of total benefits, saving tax payers.

The surprise outcome was, over time a high percentage worked up the ladder or found a living wage far exceeding benifits and completely exited all benifits

Can you guess what happened? I'll tell you, liberal lawmakers canceled the program, a truly successful program.

Trump is on the right track with his EO, only if he adds programs liken to what Oregon state had. If not, many in the free ride will have to work for a living, but also many of those dependant of social programs to survive may get hurt in the process.

We'll see what Trump adds to his work or no benefits.

Based on my wife's research, only between 25-30% maximum need full government benefits of the hundred something million currently receiving benefits.
It also means tens of millions of jobs need to be available.
I agree with a few of your assessments on a limite... (show quote)


When you come right down to it, there are not all that many people unable to work ANY job. I just recently read an article about the retirement of a mildly r****ded gentleman from his years-long job at a fast food restaurant. No, he isn't as intelligent as some people, but he was proud to have a job and proud to do his very best at it. He was proud to be independent, to take of himself, to be a contributer, not a taker. His employer and coworkers were immensely complimentary of him, as a person, and his work ethic. We have all heard of great workers/people who were missing an arm or both legs, etc. The difference is attitude, but the foolish actions of our government for decades concerning welfare has greatly encouraged the victim, "I deserve it," "government is supposed to take care of me because I am black, couldn't finish high school, am obese, am a single mother," attitudes. Amazingly, none of the welfare recipients ever seem to be aware that the checkout person and bag boy where they buy groceries are the ones paying for their groceries, etc, because they don't work. They view their care coming from some amorphous, anonymous government, NOT their working/taxpaying neighbors and fellow citizens. And THAT attitude is truly amazing in its denial and stupidity. Every human being, even young children, are better with work to do, responsibilities to honor. But, we all know, without any doubt, that the USA Congress will NEVER v**e to term limit themselves. And, people being what they are, we know that massive, and desperately needed, reform of all welfare services, cannot be left up to welfare recipients, welfare workers, ultra liberals, or democrats. And matters not to any of these groups that moving our citizens back into the workplace/independence/contributing/self-worth and restricting welfare to just a few months temporary assistance in crisis situations and restricting permanent welfare to those citizens that all can agree are truly infirm physically or mentally. Unfortunately, I have no hope of any of this ever changing unless/until this nation experiences some some unbelievable, totally destructive catastrophic event that ends it all with everyone having to start over, no such thing as welfare anymore, survival of the fittest.

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Apr 15, 2018 23:26:55   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Morgan wrote:
I happen to agree with you with respect to common sense judgment and the pratice of birth control, frankly, I don't know what they're thinking about. With that said where does imprisoning someone really benefit them or society? Now the woman who was working ...isn't... and you've put children on the road to the horrors of the system, where many girls are raped and turn into hor's/prostitutes and junkies.

If you are willing to imprison them for becoming pregnant, what say you of the seed contributor? It does take two. Maybe after men have contributed to unsupported children, should have a vasectomy and go to jail also?

As far as generating babies for an industry, one would have to be making a profit and getting ahead in some way. Anyone who thinks taking care of a batch of children while working... well no offense but someone who thinks this is some kind of lazy day vacation needs to have their head examined for a reality check.
I happen to agree with you with respect to common ... (show quote)


It will keep them from procreating and generating more undisciplined children who will then go on to be the next generation of criminals. It would be even better to catch the deadbeat fathers but they seem to be of the no name variety. Go back and read what I said instead of conflating various issues to prolong this pointless discussion.

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Apr 16, 2018 09:24:21   #
Morgan
 
pafret wrote:
It will keep them from procreating and generating more undisciplined children who will then go on to be the next generation of criminals. It would be even better to catch the deadbeat fathers but they seem to be of the no name variety. Go back and read what I said instead of conflating various issues to prolong this pointless discussion.


You are contrary, in one sentence you want compassion and in the next, you wish to see women imprisoned for giving birth, really...is that your only resolve? And now you feel frustrated with the topic. One thing you haven't considered is that anyone in prison is a ward of the state and a high cost to us, not only financially but taking out a productive person whether the job be slight or not.

I agree with you on the issue, just not it's remedy. The other so-called conflating issues are very much relatable and poignant.

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Apr 16, 2018 09:53:22   #
Morgan
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
The soft and fuzzy give me your tired and poor and Muslims and freeloaders was added later on the statue of liberty, not part of the tribute to freedom and certainly not in our Constitution.
The people who come here today aren't the ones who founded the country or worked to win wars and build the greatest country ever. The new freeloaders keep their own culture, dress habits, and language. They are here to live free all right, and they do. They won't learn English and they want me to accept their s**thole ways. (I wear my ties long now too.) These people are here to topple America, not build it. They h**e us, and you kiss their schumers.
I'm an American. Been one all my life. I'm from the Garden of Eden to answer your origin question. I have an obligation to those whom I choose, not to those I am scolded to oblige.
Trump is cleansing America of the horrible culture creep brought about by welfare ghettos and muslim enclaves and Hispanic freeloaders.
Why is it that some immigrants actually thrive here? Learn the language and contribute? Asians, Indians, and Russians seem to excel here.
Everyone else can move to where they can live off the government. Cuba and Venezuela are perfect leftycountries. Go.
Let us horrible Americans trump it up here. We're happy.
The soft and fuzzy give me your tired and poor an... (show quote)



Quite the typical response, if you don't like it go away, very adolescent, maybe you should try working some things out like grown-ups do.

As far as Venezuela and Cuba, they have nothing to do with being left and all to do with dictatorships, you know... as the right has been covertly been pushing here under the Trumpster.

I happen to agree with you on everyone learning and speaking one language, it's the only way to keep communications open with all the different nationalities.

You're from the Garden of Eden, why are you afraid to say where your family is from, like I said we're all immigrants unless you're Native American. Some of the immigrants that are now here are extremely grateful to be part of America and new Americans, many of them Muslims. Maybe you could focus on them, and not the minority who tries to abuse the system which of course there always is. Possibly then you would be happy, as it is now you don't appear to me to be very happy, just saying...

Trump isn't cleansing America, he is corrupting America.

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Apr 16, 2018 10:03:42   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Morgan wrote:
You are contrary, in one sentence you want compassion and in the next, you wish to see women imprisoned for giving birth, really...is that your only resolve? And now you feel frustrated with the topic. One thing you haven't considered is that anyone in prison is a ward of the state and a high cost to us, not only financially but taking out a productive person whether the job be slight or not.

I agree with you on the issue, just not it's remedy. The other so-called conflating issues are very much relatable and poignant.
You are contrary, in one sentence you want compass... (show quote)


The frustration is with you who persists, in not recognizing that I stipulated specific conditions for such incarceration. You simply ignored all of that to make your fallacious accusation. There is no dichotomy, go back and read what I wrote and make your comments about that as it is written in toto. Debating you is like waving away the smoke from a leaf fire.

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Apr 16, 2018 10:32:03   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Morgan wrote:
Quite the typical response, if you don't like it go away, very adolescent, maybe you should try working some things out like grown-ups do.

As far as Venezuela and Cuba, they have nothing to do with being left and all to do with dictatorships, you know... as the right has been covertly been pushing here under the Trumpster.

I happen to agree with you on everyone learning and speaking one language, it's the only way to keep communications open with all the different nationalities.

You're from the Garden of Eden, why are you afraid to say where your family is from, like I said we're all immigrants unless you're Native American. Some of the immigrants that are now here are extremely grateful to be part of America and new Americans, many of them Muslims. Maybe you could focus on them, and not the minority who tries to abuse the system which of course there always is. Possibly then you would be happy, as it is now you don't appear to me to be very happy, just saying...

Trump isn't cleansing America, he is corrupting America.
Quite the typical response, if you don't like it g... (show quote)


What you see as corruption in Trump has nothing to do with his love for America. You are one of those who, upon introduction, announces that you are morally superior to Trump. That's an easy Club Membership. Why what g****r confused lefty would ever think of grabbing a woman by the pussy, even if were in sewing circle conversation. None.
Morally, Trump is just another man who got caught doing things every man does or wishes to do. Fuck beautiful women and make billions of dollars and win the presidency.
Kid Kim is Kowed, taxes are low, economy soaring, America First.
What's wrong with that? Hillary didn't get to do it?

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Apr 16, 2018 11:48:30   #
Morgan
 
pafret wrote:
The frustration is with you who persists, in not recognizing that I stipulated specific conditions for such incarceration. You simply ignored all of that to make your fallacious accusation. There is no dichotomy, go back and read what I wrote and make your comments about that as it is written in toto. Debating you is like waving away the smoke from a leaf fire.


There are many valid reasons to be a single mother but if the reason is that they simply refuse to practice birth control, or refrain from sexual contacts, and never get a husband then their life circumstance is their choice. Don't expect me to labor to feed those offspring. It is these women that I say need their children removed from their poor care and only these people should be threatened with jail because this behavior is anti-social as well as theft.

Are these you specific conditions? The stipulation being pregnant one too many times, to threaten her with jail time? You know this part of your argument is ridiculous yet you stay steadfast, why?

I agree this social issue is a problem but imprisoning will not relieve societies burden on you or I, surely you must see that.

How long would we imprison them, until they reach menopause?

Maybe then you should stop fanning the fire.

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Apr 16, 2018 16:34:50   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Morgan wrote:
There are many valid reasons to be a single mother but if the reason is that they simply refuse to practice birth control, or refrain from sexual contacts, and never get a husband then their life circumstance is their choice. Don't expect me to labor to feed those offspring. It is these women that I say need their children removed from their poor care and only these people should be threatened with jail because this behavior is anti-social as well as theft.

Are these you specific conditions? The stipulation being pregnant one too many times, to threaten her with jail time? You know this part of your argument is ridiculous yet you stay steadfast, why?

I agree this social issue is a problem but imprisoning will not relieve societies burden on you or I, surely you must see that.

How long would we imprison them, until they reach menopause?

Maybe then you should stop fanning the fire.
There are many valid reasons to be a single mother... (show quote)


One too many times while on public assistance All of this is predicated on these women going on the dole and continuing their reckless lifestyles. I made it clear that the purpose of jailing her was to prevent her from continuing to copulate. If she is incapable of restraining her appetites and incapable of paying for the results of her behavior then she is a common criminal. If it takes until menopause, so be it. It is her choice. If this is so unacceptable the don't provide any assistance because it is unacceptable to me to have additional dependents riding my back without my agreeing to support someone else's whelps.

Your suggestion to stop fanning the fire is great, this ends it for me.

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Apr 16, 2018 17:25:37   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
maryjane wrote:
When you come right down to it, there are not all that many people unable to work ANY job. I just recently read an article about the retirement of a mildly r****ded gentleman from his years-long job at a fast food restaurant. No, he isn't as intelligent as some people, but he was proud to have a job and proud to do his very best at it. He was proud to be independent, to take of himself, to be a contributer, not a taker. His employer and coworkers were immensely complimentary of him, as a person, and his work ethic. We have all heard of great workers/people who were missing an arm or both legs, etc. The difference is attitude, but the foolish actions of our government for decades concerning welfare has greatly encouraged the victim, "I deserve it," "government is supposed to take care of me because I am black, couldn't finish high school, am obese, am a single mother," attitudes. Amazingly, none of the welfare recipients ever seem to be aware that the checkout person and bag boy where they buy groceries are the ones paying for their groceries, etc, because they don't work. They view their care coming from some amorphous, anonymous government, NOT their working/taxpaying neighbors and fellow citizens. And THAT attitude is truly amazing in its denial and stupidity. Every human being, even young children, are better with work to do, responsibilities to honor. But, we all know, without any doubt, that the USA Congress will NEVER v**e to term limit themselves. And, people being what they are, we know that massive, and desperately needed, reform of all welfare services, cannot be left up to welfare recipients, welfare workers, ultra liberals, or democrats. And matters not to any of these groups that moving our citizens back into the workplace/independence/contributing/self-worth and restricting welfare to just a few months temporary assistance in crisis situations and restricting permanent welfare to those citizens that all can agree are truly infirm physically or mentally. Unfortunately, I have no hope of any of this ever changing unless/until this nation experiences some some unbelievable, totally destructive catastrophic event that ends it all with everyone having to start over, no such thing as welfare anymore, survival of the fittest.
When you come right down to it, there are not all ... (show quote)



We may be closer than expected to a complete collapse, be it from economic, an EMP attack or other known threats possible and plausible.

I hired a mentally r****ded woman during a brief time as a restaurantiur.
Her sole responsibility was to set up a small salad bar. A state trainer worked with her, teaching her the steps. At that time in history (1990) my responsibility for her pay was about a third of minimum wage with the state paying the remaining as incentives to businesses.
A few months into the program I terminated due to sanitation concerns, but during that time the employees responded in a positive patient manner.
I believe we have a very different mental process in our society today. In part I was raised with strong work ethic. Yes sir, yes mam, dress for success when interviewing, look them in the eye, firm hand shake and promise to be their best and hardest worker, ask for the job, ect.
Today's workers want the microwave advancement to upper management, are narcissistic and if pushed to work harder complain to HR. They don't understand the concept of starting at an entry level and with hard work, working their way up the ladder. Employers are frustrated in finding potential new hires with the work ethic we had and were taught. (what happened to opening doors for ladies, the elderly, or consideration of the person coming in behind you) Employers will pass over someone slower mentally, they already are frustrated with better than half of this newer generation that are working for them, why knowing add to the problem. Another reason is lack of compassion of this generation that are managers making the hiring decisions.
Our society no longer has generation gaps, it has a complete culture shift never to return to the values as long as we have a "I deserve it", "YOU owe me", "I'm entitled" generation teaching the next, seeking the utopia promised by l*****t /progressive leaders once conservatism, Christianity or anyone that disagrees with their political policies and agendas are removed from society.
Wanting to work doesn't get the job like it used to, then another challenge is job h****rs (for most jobs) don't have a door to knock on. Instead one must apply online and be called for an interview, providing the online application and resume pass through the computerized filtering that rejects (Micosoft to Taco Bell) over 90% of applications not containing key words

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Apr 16, 2018 17:26:43   #
Morgan
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
What you see as corruption in Trump has nothing to do with his love for America. You are one of those who, upon introduction, announces that you are morally superior to Trump. That's an easy Club Membership. Why what g****r confused lefty would ever think of grabbing a woman by the pussy, even if were in sewing circle conversation. None.
Morally, Trump is just another man who got caught doing things every man does or wishes to do. Fuck beautiful women and make billions of dollars and win the presidency.
Kid Kim is Kowed, taxes are low, economy soaring, America First.
What's wrong with that? Hillary didn't get to do it?
What you see as corruption in Trump has nothing to... (show quote)


Hahah ~LMAO, You are correct that is an easy club membership, and yet YOU are one of those that is willing to lower the bar to accept such a person who is so devoid of morals, as in being honest, t***hful, to sit in the seat of the President of the United States, all the while yelling from the torrid what a liar Hillary is, even she is not a psychopathological liar.

I imagine this must not fit well with any foreign leader who sits in a position to speak to him and endeavors to form any kind of fiduciary mutual agreement. That, in reality, has to be laughable and impossible.

I am thankful I don't have the same opinion of all men as you. Yes, I believe NOT all men view women as a piece of meat and they have respect for them. Again you do align yourself with Trump and I understand why you and other men v**ed for him. Really any women that v**ed for him would have to have their head examined, it would equate to a Jew v****g for Hitler, but that's JMO.

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