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Apr 14, 2018 18:24:33   #
snowbear37 Loc: MA.
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
A liberal will give the shirt off a conservative's back.

A liberal will tax anything that moves.
If it keeps moving, they'll regulate it.
If it stops moving, they'll subsidize it.


They'll tax it even if it isn't moving.
If it lives, they'll tax it.
If it dies, they want to tax it one more time.

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Apr 14, 2018 20:06:38   #
JimMe
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Voice, As a liberal/progressive, I never heard of your definition. A conservative lives in the best of all possible worlds. They believe that it is their duty to stand in the road of history with a stop sign. There should be no change in the traditional way of doing things. Those in power or with huge fortunes are in those positions because they deserve to be. Poor people are in that position for much the same reason. If they need more money to live a decent life, they should depend on charity, not state aid.
A liberal believes that in a wealthy country like the US, everybody is entitled to the basic things in life needed for a decent life, like health care. It should be paid for by state funds and not just given to the super rich as a tax write off. The conservative would say, what tax write off? They earned it, it's theirs. If less wealthy folks need more money, they should work harder. Does that just about cover it?
Voice, As a liberal/progressive, I never heard of ... (show quote)




I'm a Constitutional Conservative, and I do believe you are correct when you say we Conservatives "... believe that it is their duty to stand in the road of history with a stop sign..." because a stop sign is to have the person traveling the road stop to ensure it is safe for them to continue, and allow people going in a direction that is opposing theirs to travel safely to their destination as well... Stop signs aren't barricades... Conservatives don't put-up barricades... We look to ensure success, not barricade it...

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Apr 14, 2018 21:54:59   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
pafret wrote:
In my opening comments I indicated that unless you were willing to adopt one of the needy as your personal burden then we need public provision for the temporarily, unable to cope, poor. I am one who believe that some things must be done by government since the local communities may not have the resources to do what is necessary. Your definition of unfit parents is just to broad a brush. Would you characterize a recent widow with three small children as an unfit parent? Do you really believe that the truama of removing children from their parent who is temporarily on welfare is beneficial for the children or the parent? Have you not heard the horror stories of children in Child Protective Services custody? brutalized lives?

There is a significant difference between Welfare abusers and those in genuine need and if you can't distinguish between the two then there is no point in further discussion.
In my opening comments I indicated that unless you... (show quote)



Privatization of screening by conservatives.. Ha ha. Majority of social workers screening are liberals. No, they are incapable of decrening the qualified needy, versus the people who make it their life's mission to be on entitlements.

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Apr 14, 2018 21:59:09   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
You're right, it can't just be suddenly stopped, that's why I included a time period in which the parents are given an opportunity to straighten out.

You're also right in that the Dems will never let anything endanger their v**e-buying.

That's why I think we need to split the country in two. We can either let the l*****t Dems destroy the whole country or just half.


There has been an effort to split California "The State of Jefferson" and the effort has just been renewed, with expanded efforts to gain signatures for the next b****t. Doubt they will be successful, perhaps in the future.

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Apr 14, 2018 22:06:56   #
Mikeyavelli
 
JimMe wrote:
I'm a Constitutional Conservative, and I do believe you are correct when you say we Conservatives "... believe that it is their duty to stand in the road of history with a stop sign..." because a stop sign is to have the person traveling the road stop to ensure it is safe for them to continue, and allow people going in a direction that is opposing theirs to travel safely to their destination as well... Stop signs aren't barricades... Conservatives don't put-up barricades... We look to ensure success, not barricade it...
I'm a Constitutional Conservative, and I do believ... (show quote)

We are the stop sign to a borderless one government world with Islam as the preferred religion. Not only a stop sign, but a big beautiful wall.

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Apr 14, 2018 22:33:48   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
itsmyjob wrote:
Ha I am far from lacking compassion. 3 years ago my wife and I took in an old Mexican Viet Nam veteran who is now a part of the family. My wife drove from Kansas to Fresno California to pick him up. Everything the man owns fit in the bed of my pickup truck. He will be 74 next month and has a new lease on life. Did it disrupt or change our daily lives? Yes it has. I wouldn't hesitate to do it again. Talk shot to someone else I myself believe in action not all talk.


itsmyjob: There is a special place in Heaven for you!

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Apr 14, 2018 22:43:20   #
itsmyjob
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
itsmyjob: There is a special place in Heaven for you!


Thank you. I do believe in action not just talk. It's what we all should be doing the government needs to be taken out of our lives.

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Apr 14, 2018 22:47:14   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
itsmyjob wrote:
Thank you. I do believe in action not just talk. It's what we all should be doing the government needs to be taken out of our lives.


Amen!!!!

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Apr 15, 2018 01:44:11   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
itsmyjob wrote:
Ha I am far from lacking compassion. 3 years ago my wife and I took in an old Mexican Viet Nam veteran who is now a part of the family. My wife drove from Kansas to Fresno California to pick him up. Everything the man owns fit in the bed of my pickup truck. He will be 74 next month and has a new lease on life. Did it disrupt or change our daily lives? Yes it has. I wouldn't hesitate to do it again. Talk shot to someone else I myself believe in action not all talk.



It was about 45 years ago a friend was terribly concerned for a 20ish year old Mexican man that had a job, but he was homeless. No problem, I'll make room and took him in. Took him grocery shopping thinking he may have preferred foods to eat. At checkout, he said he didn't have any cash, no problem I'll get the food. Bought him a bed and room and boarded him since he didnt have much money for several months. His girlfriend picked him up and shuttled him back and forth to were he worked outside ( based on conversions, I supposed he was a fruit and vegetable picker since the girlfriend took him to work at different locations. After nearly six months of paying all his expenses, again one day we went for groceries but this time at checkout I was a few dollars cash short he said no problem in his broken english and pulled out his wallet, then mixed in between dozens of checks he sorted out the few dollars I needed.
When we got home I asked what those checks were, he eagerly pulled them out, thousands of dollars. These were pay from (not picking fruit) construction work.
This was around 1978, I was a cook earning just enough to barely get by, with a pregnant wife unable to work for medical concerns to her and the unborn. This guy earned three times what I did, and he thought it was just fine living free off of me and his girlfriend, because he then would be able to save enough money that when he returned to Mexico he could by a ranch.
I could give more details but to keep it short, he believed he was "entitled" since Americans have it so easy. I was at that time in my life living at poverty level with no sk**ls or higher education, working my butt off with every overtime hour I could get, terrible health insurance, poor diet, no entertainment dollars, wearing the bottom of my shoes out.
My experience was very very different than yours and no doubt tainted once I learned how he thought about himself and Americans. Would I help someone else if they needed it, I would for the right person but as far as I'm concerned send the Mexicans packing.
How it it they know if they can get to California, they will have housing assistance, t***sportation assistance, medical insurance, cash and food entitlements? But if you are Black or White no kids, it's food benefits, no housing, no cash. I see them now as Locust invaders eating up America's resources, and America turns away many deserving Americans.

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Apr 15, 2018 06:49:53   #
itsmyjob
 
Well you are the negative to my positive for sure. I guess maybe I shouldn't have been race specific. This man was born and raised here then was enlisted in the wonderful police action called the Viet Nam war. Kinda sounds like apples and oranges.

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Apr 15, 2018 09:09:14   #
JimMe
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
There has been an effort to split California "The State of Jefferson" and the effort has just been renewed, with expanded efforts to gain signatures for the next b****t. Doubt they will be successful, perhaps in the future.




I'm a GOP Conservative... But I can clearly see:

The DNC will never - as in not ever - allow California to leave the USA... Losing 55 Congressional seats and 55 P**********l E*****rates would all but ensure GOP control of the Legislative and Executive Branches, and thus the Judicial Branch as well... The DemLib-Socialist Elite will not let this happen...

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Apr 15, 2018 10:36:42   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
itsmyjob wrote:
Well you are the negative to my positive for sure. I guess maybe I shouldn't have been race specific. This man was born and raised here then was enlisted in the wonderful police action called the Viet Nam war. Kinda sounds like apples and oranges.



One learned the values of America in the military, patriotism, and culture also

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Apr 15, 2018 11:17:11   #
Morgan
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
Question: In a socialistic society, should a person who could contribute, but doesn't, be considered antisocial? Should they be punished?


In a truly socialistic society(which the left does not support, that is propaganda) all contribute to the whole.

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Apr 15, 2018 11:30:39   #
Morgan
 
JimMe wrote:
I'm a GOP Conservative... But I can clearly see:

The DNC will never - as in not ever - allow California to leave the USA... Losing 55 Congressional seats and 55 P**********l E*****rates would all but ensure GOP control of the Legislative and Executive Branches, and thus the Judicial Branch as well... The DemLib-Socialist Elite will not let this happen...


This so-called "DemLib-Socialist Elite" Is a complete lie from the right, banging that drum over and over, brainwashing the weak minded who want to believe the lie, they are already preconditioned and biased probably from their upbringing, they choose to believe in the worst of people, their fellow Americans.

In reality, the right and left need each other for a balanced culture/society/government. In a healthy environment, the check each other.

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Apr 15, 2018 11:37:27   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Morgan wrote:
This so-called "DemLib-Socialist Elite" Is a complete lie from the right, banging that drum over and over, brainwashing the weak minded who want to believe the lie, they are already preconditioned and biased probably from their upbringing, they choose to believe in the worst of people, their fellow Americans.

In reality, the right and left need each other for a balanced culture/society/government. In a healthy environment, the check each other.


Bullmueller.
Look who are leading the democratic party : Tom Perez, an Hispanic C****e, and Keith Ellison, a black muslim c****e.
This is not balance. It's a cultural revolution to topple America and install a borderless one government world with Islam as the preferred religion.
One housing unit, one uniform, one feed trough, one train, one elite leader.
Sharia law enforcement to keep everyone's head attached to their shoulders.
Not my kind of world.

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