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Apr 14, 2018 20:05:53   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
slatten49 wrote:
I am in favor of the 17th Amendment and the direct, popular e******n of U.S. Senators.


Do you know that Americans did not directly v**e for senators for the first 125 years of the Federal Government...The Constitution, as it was adopted in 1788, stated that senators would be elected by state legislatures...There have been three times I think where resolutions were considered or introduced to go with the popular v**e but all failed..

Several state legislatures deadlocked over the e******n of senators, which led to Senate vacancies lasting months and even years. In other cases, political machines gained control over state legislatures, and the Senators elected with their support were dismissed as puppets....In addition, the Senate was seen as a “millionaire's club” serving powerful private interests... The rise of the People' went unanswered when Senators refused to even put it to floor for consideration..
Eventually it did get ratified but only after Congress had almost an Article V forced upon them by the states that wanted it..


Ok, just a bit of history I was always fascinated with because it shows how an article V of the people can work...

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Apr 14, 2018 20:06:57   #
debeda
 
bahmer wrote:
I posted once before that going to a popular v**e would mean that the countries president would always be controlled by several large cities and the rest of the country might as well stay home. Just like in Illinois where I live we are listed as a democrat state not because there are no republicans here but Cook County which is the county around Chicago is majority democrat. Then we have Spring field downstate a heavy democrat city and then there ore several college towns in Illinois as well. Believe me I know how it works. So popular v**e would be controlled by New York, Chicago, San Francisco, San Diego, Houston, Dallas, Detroit, and maybe one or two other cities and it may not even take that much. Most large cities are democrat v**e blocks. With the illegal v**ers in California Hillary could have received her +2,000,000 v**es there alone. Our founding fathers were very wise and had seen many things from europe to be aware of what could happen and they did what they thought best to not allow that to happen in America.
I posted once before that going to a popular v**e ... (show quote)


And THAT'S the t***h Bahmer!! I didn't know you were also from Illinois we know from crooked politicians and the Democratic v**er machine here for sure.

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Apr 14, 2018 20:08:33   #
debeda
 
[quote=permafrost]
lindajoy wrote:
Mexico acted as they did knowing Trump would do as he said...The number of i*****l a***ns entering from our border and from Mexico by the thousands confirms there isn’t any effort to stop it, thats BS what you said and you know it.. my gosh perm how you can try to refute the mass numbers coming across-illegay and rising, not reducing.. You must take us for i***ts!!!!

China another bit of BS...keep up perm.. Naturally they talked big trade war and all that with Trump but then put it out there they want far market trade and willing to reduce car trade tariffs etc..As well as stopping their control of steele/alumium that Trump called them out about too..The only President that tackled their BS, why is that perm??

You just can not dare say a word positive of Trump...hint~ He’s succeeding in spite of you and your ilk... Three fantastic great results this week alone and all major events.. Keep your lies going tho .. You kick your own ass every time in the process....

The more trump tries to do something the worse he looks.. He is the dumbest, misplaced piece of the american low life to ever gain the power of yes/no..

If Trump thinks he's taking steel tariff war to China, he's wrong. That war is already over
President Trump's plan to impose steep tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum may set off a global trade war.
What it won't do is much if any damage to China's steel industry.
Trump has railed against China in his trade rhetoric, but the Chinese steel industry is already insulated to U.S. trade action.

For the Chinese steel manufacturers, however, the news was inconsequential. Although China is the world's largest steel exporter, it is only the 11th-largest source country to the U.S., accounting for just 2 percent of total U.S. imports last year.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Given this low base, "We think this is a negative for the world steel industry as a whole, but as for China, we don't think it can be any worse," Lin said
Obama administration hit Chinese steel hard in 2016
Prior to this announcement, the U.S. had already implemented trade taxes on different types of imported steel from China. In 2016, the Obama administration imposed duties on some Chinese steel imports by more than 500 percent, causing Chinese imports to the U.S. to drop by almost two-thirds.
Mexico acted as they did knowing Trump would do as... (show quote)


Blah blah blah bloviate bloviate bahhhhhhhloviate

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Apr 14, 2018 20:09:21   #
debeda
 
slatten49 wrote:
I am a believer in the e*******l college system. It may be flawed, but I believe in it.


I'm with you brother!!!

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Apr 14, 2018 20:11:21   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
permafrost wrote:
My 3 post clearly proved that the claim of 3 trump accomplishments are total made up in the mind of the orange slug and his dev**ees..

My proof was clear, and posted in response to your posting.. I covered Syria, tariffs and China..


I am not sure about Syria but the military heads seem to think the proper thing was done there. Who gives a damn about the Democrats.

As for tariffs and China, it seems to me that China has already backed down. I don't read or listen to Democrats, though. I do know how they took advantage of Obammy and think some getting even, by us, needs to be done. Maybe we need to wait a month or two before we howl about tariffs and China.

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Apr 14, 2018 20:11:23   #
debeda
 
archie bunker wrote:
It's a very rare breed called a Best Leave Me Be.


Oh I thought it looked like an I'm The Alpha Here!☺

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Apr 14, 2018 20:27:29   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
lindajoy wrote:
Do you know that Americans did not directly v**e for senators for the first 125 years of the Federal Government...The Constitution, as it was adopted in 1788, stated that senators would be elected by state legislatures...There have been three times I think where resolutions were considered or introduced to go with the popular v**e but all failed..

Several state legislatures deadlocked over the e******n of senators, which led to Senate vacancies lasting months and even years. In other cases, political machines gained control over state legislatures, and the Senators elected with their support were dismissed as puppets....In addition, the Senate was seen as a “millionaire's club” serving powerful private interests... The rise of the People' went unanswered when Senators refused to even put it to floor for consideration..
Eventually it did get ratified but only after Congress had almost an Article V forced upon them by the states that wanted it..

Ok, just a bit of history I was always fascinated with because it shows how an article V of the people can work...
Do you know that Americans did not directly v**e f... (show quote)

Yes, I was aware, but still favor the 17th Amendment.

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Apr 14, 2018 20:53:04   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
In v****g for their own senators, the states should also be able to recall them...we agree on that. What do other states currently have to do with the e******n of another state's senators, Arch


Each state elects their own. When they get to DC, the influence of others taints them is what I'm trying to say.
If a Senator v**es against his constituents because of influence from more powerful ones from other states, we should be able to recall them is all I'm trying to say.
I want more individual state power, and less DC power. And get the money out of it!

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Apr 14, 2018 21:05:36   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
archie bunker wrote:
Each state elects their own. When they get to DC, the influence of others taints them is what I'm trying to say.
If a Senator v**es against his constituents because of influence from more powerful ones from other states, we should be able to recall them is all I'm trying to say.
I want more individual state power, and less DC power. And get the money out of it!

I agree with the right to recall any elected official and believe, in one form or another, many states (if not all) already have that right. Not that many years ago, for instance, Californians recalled their Governor Grey and v**ed in Arnold Schwarzenegger. How you stop anyone, under any circumstances from being 'tainted' by another, I don't know. Plus, I seriously doubt that we'll ever keep money out of politics.

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Apr 15, 2018 07:42:02   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
debeda wrote:
Your last two posts ROCKED Lindajoy
I agree with all, even the illegal chemical weapons use. BUT I wish we would either get the hedoublehocckeysticks out of the middle East entirely or just get our allies together and go clean the sh**hole up once and for all. I know that's not realistic, but unlike HRC I really do care about women's rights to be treated as human beings and not s***es and baby machines with no rights and no recourse. And in the middle East and much of Africa that is the situation. It enraged me that this situation is not even a blip on the radar to civilized countries.
Your last two posts ROCKED Lindajoy br I agree wi... (show quote)


Thank You debeda..We agree, get them all out or finish it then completely leave never to return again..Not realistic at all but what it will take to extract ourselves and end the horrendous living conditions the people have had to endure the majority of their lives..

The atrocities to women unbareable to think about yet even from a humanitarian effort we excuse involvement because its supposedly their law and religion.. Some excuse...

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Apr 15, 2018 08:52:45   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
oldroy wrote:
I am not sure about Syria but the military heads seem to think the proper thing was done there. Who gives a damn about the Democrats.

As for tariffs and China, it seems to me that China has already backed down. I don't read or listen to Democrats, though. I do know how they took advantage of Obammy and think some getting even, by us, needs to be done. Maybe we need to wait a month or two before we howl about tariffs and China.



true, I do not think any of these tariffs are in effect yet..

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Apr 15, 2018 08:58:47   #
debeda
 
lindajoy wrote:
Thank You debeda..We agree, get them all out or finish it then completely leave never to return again..Not realistic at all but what it will take to extract ourselves and end the horrendous living conditions the people have had to endure the majority of their lives..

The atrocities to women unbareable to think about yet even from a humanitarian effort we excuse involvement because its supposedly their law and religion.. Some excuse...
Thank You debeda..We agree, get them all out or fi... (show quote)


No excuse at all. Sickening and heartbreaking is what it is. 😔😔😔

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Apr 15, 2018 09:44:45   #
bahmer
 
slatten49 wrote:
I am in favor of the 17th Amendment and the direct, popular e******n of U.S. Senators.


There are pros and cons to both and it just depends on where you all sit I guess.

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Apr 15, 2018 10:12:53   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
bahmer wrote:
There are pros and cons to both and it just depends on where you all sit I guess.

I agree. My position is simply based on having a direct say in who represents me as opposed to a smoke-filled room of state officials/legislators bargaining/determining who gets sent to the U.S. Senate. However, there is no guarantee with either approach in getting a representative true to his/her constituents. Unfortunately, too often it remains a roll-of-the-dice.

Besides, as it stands, the 17th Amendment went through the arduous process of becoming part of the U.S. Constitution. Unless overturned, it will remain as such.

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Apr 15, 2018 10:25:55   #
bahmer
 
slatten49 wrote:
I agree. My position is simply based on having a direct say in who represents me as opposed to a smoke-filled room of state officials/legislators bargaining/determining who gets sent to the U.S. Senate. However, there is no guarantee with either approach in getting a representative true to his/her constituents. Unfortunately, too often it remains a roll-of-the-dice.

Besides, as it stands, the 17th Amendment went through the arduous process of becoming part of the U.S. Constitution. Unless overturned, it will remain as such.
I agree. My position is simply based on having a ... (show quote)


I understand that, but I guess I trust the founders of this country, more than I trust the citizenry, to have our best interests at heart. Those boys knew far more than we give them credit for, and we would be wise to reteach our history, and give them the honor that they so richly deserve. I see the country and its decisions over time being less and less in the best interest of the country and its occupants.

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