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Let me ask you a question: why did you v**e for Trump?
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Apr 12, 2018 19:27:12   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
king hall wrote:
What regulation has the President 'returned'




Good point, bad grammar on me..

He removed regulation which "returned" the law to what was in effect and allowed the 08 recession.. sorry about that...

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Apr 12, 2018 19:30:03   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
permafrost wrote:
LOL....Now you have all democrats running banks???

do a check, nearly all bankers are deep republicans.. they are the back bone of the GOP..

Regulations??? You better do a check of the changes trump made to free up his banker buddies..

He removed all the regulations Obama and congress put in place to protect consumers.. that would be most of us on OPP.



Dodd Frank was an economy k**ler, and Obama added more businesses to the death list with the false cover "Consumer protection" when in fact the reason first time in history more businesses closed than opened under Obama. FIRST

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Apr 12, 2018 19:33:37   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
That's your worldly insufficient opinion.

Reasonable sound minded v**ers understand the reason for multiple debates. Unlike the democrats fixing the e******n against Bernie Sanders and only one candidate, the right had sixteen. What does that mean?

Every rational person has bias towards or against candidates, which is the reason for multiple debates, offering v**ers time to change their minds from one candidate to another determined by performance outcomes.
So yes as the debates progressed, v**ers turned to Trump based solely on performance, promises, and abilities to project his ability to be a STRONG leader of conservative values.
Ted Cruz has a high percentage of v**ers until the very end, or near the end of the campaign trail, when he swore not to support Trump if he won. That unpatriotic statement of a leader not supporting the sitting president turned off a lot of his base, which turned to Trump.

What bothers you about Trump is not a list a false allegations, but that he is dismantling the lefts policies and agendas, even when the party publicly announced to resist 100%. Yep, that's the i***t left lawmakers, resist, resist, resist.
That's your worldly insufficient opinion. br br ... (show quote)




What??? You expect that Democrats would help republicans remove the very policies that worked for America over generations. Policy that created the worlds greatest Middle class.
That made the US the wealthiest nation in history, strongest super power on earth..

And you think all should help the orange i***t in his dismantling of our historic country??

Are you thinking at all today???

I am usually not this far removed from you opinions, maybe I misunderstand your point..

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Apr 12, 2018 19:35:16   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Dodd Frank was an economy k**ler, and Obama added more businesses to the death list with the false cover "Consumer protection" when in fact the reason first time in history more businesses closed than opened under Obama. FIRST




Post some figures to back your claim, you wont find any..

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Apr 12, 2018 20:12:18   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Trump wasn't my pick , but when he won the nomination I supported him whole heartily .

With our two party system we have any v**e for any of the lessor candidates in a nut shell v**ed for Democrats .

I was always mindful of there being so many Rino's that has d**gged the GOP down in the sewer I wanted a non politician in the WH as we are now witnessing proves to me that the swamp really needs to be drained .

Not sure that can happen since Obama has made it impossible for any President to fire his troops in the deep state.

America is being changed before our very eyes and the sad thing is many people can't see it !

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Apr 12, 2018 20:21:20   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
4430 wrote:
Trump wasn't my pick , but when he won the nomination I supported him whole heartily .

With our two party system we have any v**e for any of the lessor candidates in a nut shell v**ed for Democrats .

I was always mindful of there being so many Rino's that has d**gged the GOP down in the sewer I wanted a non politician in the WH as we are now witnessing proves to me that the swamp really needs to be drained .

Not sure that can happen since Obama has made it impossible for any President to fire his troops in the deep state.

America is being changed before our very eyes and the sad thing is many people can't see it !
Trump wasn't my pick , but when he won the nominat... (show quote)




Strange!!! Your last line is exactly how I feel, yet we are miles apart in POV,,

Maybe tomorrow we can find a point we agree on..



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Apr 12, 2018 21:00:39   #
son of witless
 
rumitoid wrote:
Personally, I see no reason at all, even the d********g Hillary alternative as cause does not work. (I v**ed Green.) I have never supported her and find her, perhaps, worse than Trump. What did you want or expect from him? My guess is nothing. You just liked he was not political in the usual sense. A Wild Card where business as usual by Washington establishment had overlooked your pleas and anger and frustration for change. Anything! Shake-it-the freak-up! Trump over-exceeded there. Something to relate to on a gut level. I can see why he is a something of a Champion. He got in their face, the whole system, and gave them respectful pause. Went beyond that. Upset the whole apple-cart. Throw a low, spitter-insider, that fooled them all. They all swung and missed. Laughable.

If a game. But America is at risk. He is a playground bully that has zero capabilities of seeing everyday consequences or threats to our future. A Narcissist. Trump only. The despicable characteristics that eng****r you to Trump, and in our present political environment almost seem admirable and needed given the monumental BS for decades we have had to endure, will destroy this country. He is a pig. He cares nothing about America or you. He is stupid and plodding, working only for what benefits himself. He is very clever, but clever is not smart and usually defeats itself.
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Personally, I see no reason at all, even the d****... (show quote)


" What did you want or expect from him? "

I expected him to cut regulations and taxes. I expected him to k**l the Paris Accord. I expected him to get tough on i*****l i*********n. I expected him to make Rachael Maddow cry.

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Apr 12, 2018 21:31:48   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
rumitoid wrote:
Personally, I see no reason at all, even the d********g Hillary alternative as cause does not work. (I v**ed Green.) I have never supported her and find her, perhaps, worse than Trump. What did you want or expect from him? My guess is nothing. You just liked he was not political in the usual sense. A Wild Card where business as usual by Washington establishment had overlooked your pleas and anger and frustration for change. Anything! Shake-it-the freak-up! Trump over-exceeded there. Something to relate to on a gut level. I can see why he is a something of a Champion. He got in their face, the whole system, and gave them respectful pause. Went beyond that. Upset the whole apple-cart. Throw a low, spitter-insider, that fooled them all. They all swung and missed. Laughable.

If a game. But America is at risk. He is a playground bully that has zero capabilities of seeing everyday consequences or threats to our future. A Narcissist. Trump only. The despicable characteristics that eng****r you to Trump, and in our present political environment almost seem admirable and needed given the monumental BS for decades we have had to endure, will destroy this country. He is a pig. He cares nothing about America or you. He is stupid and plodding, working only for what benefits himself. He is very clever, but clever is not smart and usually defeats itself.
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Personally, I see no reason at all, even the d****... (show quote)


We v**ed for Trump to save our Republic from being dismantled.
The Beast would have finished us off.

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Apr 12, 2018 21:43:33   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
permafrost wrote:
LOL....Now you have all democrats running banks???

do a check, nearly all bankers are deep republicans.. they are the back bone of the GOP..

Regulations??? You better do a check of the changes trump made to free up his banker buddies..

He removed all the regulations Obama and congress put in place to protect consumers.. that would be most of us on OPP.


Pure Poo Poo!

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Apr 12, 2018 22:07:39   #
teabag09
 
How in the hell do you get Wolf is a r****t because he v**ed for President Trump??? The real r****ts are the demoncrats, keeping b****s and Latinos on the plantation. Rummi, you really need to do some studying as well as inner reflection. You guys screaming r****t every time you don't like what is said to you is done. Doesn't work any more. Poor you. Mike
rumitoid wrote:
Not in the least. Why looms. What did you expect or want from his presidency. You did have a reason to want him over Hillary? What was it? I imagine you were not a Negative V**er, choosing Trump to stop Hillary. You are an admitted r****t, seemingly proud of it, is that the reason? The Populist you saw in him? Can you be honest? I think so. So why this numnutz Trump?

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Apr 12, 2018 22:12:13   #
debeda
 
rumitoid wrote:
Personally, I see no reason at all, even the d********g Hillary alternative as cause does not work. (I v**ed Green.) I have never supported her and find her, perhaps, worse than Trump. What did you want or expect from him? My guess is nothing. You just liked he was not political in the usual sense. A Wild Card where business as usual by Washington establishment had overlooked your pleas and anger and frustration for change. Anything! Shake-it-the freak-up! Trump over-exceeded there. Something to relate to on a gut level. I can see why he is a something of a Champion. He got in their face, the whole system, and gave them respectful pause. Went beyond that. Upset the whole apple-cart. Throw a low, spitter-insider, that fooled them all. They all swung and missed. Laughable.

If a game. But America is at risk. He is a playground bully that has zero capabilities of seeing everyday consequences or threats to our future. A Narcissist. Trump only. The despicable characteristics that eng****r you to Trump, and in our present political environment almost seem admirable and needed given the monumental BS for decades we have had to endure, will destroy this country. He is a pig. He cares nothing about America or you. He is stupid and plodding, working only for what benefits himself. He is very clever, but clever is not smart and usually defeats itself.
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Personally, I see no reason at all, even the d****... (show quote)


Let me ask you a question. Why did you NOT v**e for Prez Trump? Are you stuck in the past? Do you want our "representative form of government " to go farther and farther toward a monarchy? Please try to explain your reasoning without spewing h**e or propaganda.

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Apr 12, 2018 22:12:29   #
teabag09
 
A quadruple AMEN! Mike
Kazudy wrote:
I v**ed for Trump mainly because I didn't want Hillary. Now I say 4 more years, 4 more years, 4 more years. Can I get an Amen?

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Apr 12, 2018 22:16:19   #
acknowledgeurma
 
oldroy wrote:
Woody, as a rule I always supported someone in the primary but we don't have P**********l primaries here in Kansas so I just held back this time. I wasn't a Trump supporter till he was nominated. I stopped being a Democrat when they nominated an obvious Socialist, McGovern, and swore to never v**e for one of those. One of two people was going to be elected so I just did what I had told myself since 2000 and that was v**e for anybody but Hillary. He was going to win if she didn't and I have been very satisfied with him since he was inaugurated.

I slept so good when I heard that he had won and she didn't. She did write her graduate paper on Alinsky, didn't she?
Woody, as a rule I always supported someone in the... (show quote)

I guess my memory isn't as good as oldroy's, I don't remember McGovern being a Socialist, so I googled, "was McGovern a socialist", and came across this:
https://newrepublic.com/article/130737/democrats-still-dont-get-george-mcgovern

The article is long, but it gives an interesting comparison of the GOP reaction to Goldwater's 1964 loss, and the Democrats' reaction to McGovern's 1972 loss. It doesn't give much insight into McGovern's Socialism (I have no idea what oldroy means by Socialist. I imagine he thinks, the gift to private insurance, ACA is socialistic). But it does hint (to me) of some of Trump's appeal, in that he did does speak with some populist sounding tones.

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Apr 12, 2018 22:19:02   #
teabag09
 
Woodie, you're right about most on the right wanting someone else, that's the only place you're right. He NEVER looked like he'd win the e******n and almost everyone on both sides thought he had NO CHANCE of winning the e******n but we're damn glad he did because he's turned out to be the very best man for the job. I hope that makes you feel better as again you've just got to eat it. Mike
woodguru wrote:
The funny thing is, and it would make me feel better to hear more people admit it, is that most people on right wing sites h**ed the i***t, before he starting looking like he could win the primary. Most had one of the others that they supported early on.

The part where the mind of the right plays scary tricks is that now they believe they supported him from the start, and will support him beyond impeachment.

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Apr 12, 2018 22:23:26   #
teabag09
 
Permi, you're wrong on that's the only mention of Lucifer, the whole book was dedicated to Lucifer, look at the for word. Mike
permafrost wrote:
Hi Roy, Missed a couple of replies I intended due to the dreaded "old guy not felling good" blues..

but this is a bit..

from the prospect.org.... They will not let the link be copied.. darn..


onsider Carson’s inflammatory Lucifer comparison. Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals, written in 1971, opens with blurbs about three figures—Lucifer, Jewish religious leader Rabbi Hillel, and Thomas Paine. He described Lucifer as “the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom.”

It wasn’t intended as an endorsement of Satanism, but as a comment about the long tradition in history of dissent and protest.
That’s the only mention of Lucifer in the entire book. It wasn’t intended as an endorsement of Satanism, but as a comment about the long tradition in history of dissent and protest.

Carson took additional liberties with the t***h by identifying Alinsky as Clinton’s “role model.” Hilton Rodham—who was student body president at Wellesley, graduating in 1969—did indeed write her senior thesis about, and interviewed, the controversial activist. But she was actually quite critical of Alinsky’s views.

Summarizing her 92-page political science thesis, “‘There Is Only the Fight’: An Analysis of the Alinsky Model,” The New York Times observed:

Ms. Rodham endorsed Mr. Alinsky’ s central critique of government antipoverty programs—that they tended to be too top-down and removed from the wishes of individuals. But the student leader split with Mr. Alinsky over a central point. He vowed to ‘rub raw the sores of discontent’ and compel action through agitation. This, she believed, ran counter to the notion of change within the system.

In 2003, while she was a U.S. senator from New York, Clinton discussed Alinsky in her memoir, Living History. Clinton “agreed with some of Alinsky's ideas, particularly the value of empowering people to help themselves,” she wrote. “But we had a fundamental disagreement. He believed you could change the system only from the outside. I didn’t. Later, he offered me the chance to work with him when I graduated from college, and he was disappointed that I decided instead to go to law school. Alinsky said I would be wasting my time, but my decision was an expression of my belief that the system could be changed from within.”
Hi Roy, Missed a couple of replies I intended due ... (show quote)

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